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91. Why Ayanna Pressley's Upset Win In Massachusetts Isn't Really Like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's

Reply to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:32 AM

Sep 2018

Nate has a good analysis of this race https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-ayanna-pressleys-upset-win-in-massachusetts-isnt-really-like-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs/

It didn’t come out of nowhere. Everyone knew this would be a competitive race. The district was publicly polled at least three times (i.e. pollsters thought it worth surveying). Capuano spent more than $1.7 million on his defense, spurred in part by the knowledge that Pressley was deploying $767,000 of her own. Both sides aired television ads. An “upset” it may have been, but it should not have “stunned” anyone who was paying attention.

It wasn’t progressive vs. moderate. Pressley herself said that there was little daylight between her and Capuano on the issues. Capuano has a -.580 DW-Nominate score,1 making him the most liberal Democrat in the Massachusetts delegation and well to the left of Crowley. Meanwhile, more moderate Democrats like Rep. Richard Neal in Massachusetts’s 1st District and Rep. Stephen Lynch in the 8th District won their primaries by 40 and 47 percentage points, respectively. Ideology doesn’t explain Capuano’s loss.

I did not see any mention of justice democrats in this or any other article. What did this group do for this candidate?

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Big win for Justice Democrats. Congratulations Ayanna Pressley! [View all] Power 2 the People Sep 2018 OP

I'll take a DEMOCRAT over any "Justice Democrat" (whatever THAT is) Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #1

It's like a Democrat but without the lobbyist influence behind it. So actually just a Democrat. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #8

There will be gnashing of teeth. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #21

Oh, the spin is quite entertaining.. disillusioned73 Sep 2018 #79

Yes, just a Democrat... & a Democrat with a winning progressive message! Congrats AP! Awesome win! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #56

And a Hillary Supporter!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #119

And Justice Democrats did zero to help her win. George II Sep 2018 #121

She's a Democrat. thats what she is. nt JCanete Sep 2018 #50

Check their website oberliner Sep 2018 #71

Ayana's a mainstream liberal Democrat, endorsed by Hortensis Sep 2018 #80

Did You KNow She Got Her Start With John Kerry? Me. Sep 2018 #83

Yes, I do now. :) Senator Kerry, Capuano, and Pressley Hortensis Sep 2018 #102

What are "justice democrats"? cynatnite Sep 2018 #2

Here's a link cynatnite. It explains who they are and lists their candidates. Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #7

Yes, and even before tonight, only 32% of their endorsees have won. George II Sep 2018 #36

Stop raining on the frontlines of history, please. Obviously these folks ALSO aim to get elected. DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #42

Damn good percentage is right, especially since their progressive message is only startin to get out InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #57

Just 32%! Just? Lol. 32% is huge. KPN Sep 2018 #70

32% isn't going to get much legislation passed. George II Sep 2018 #111

How did they support this candidate? Gothmog Sep 2018 #47

Go to the list of candidates on their site, click on the dollar sign image.... George II Sep 2018 #128

You got to be kidding Gothmog Sep 2018 #129

I don't have the numbers in front of me (I posted them here before but we're away this week)... George II Sep 2018 #130

This just stokes more division in the party, IMO... cynatnite Sep 2018 #77

Especially since Justice Democrats do little other than "endorse" candidates and then move on. George II Sep 2018 #131

Their expenditures are interesting. Opensecrets.org is a great site: JHan Sep 2018 #17

They have a symbiotic relationship with Brand New Congress....trading money back and forth. George II Sep 2018 #24

Yes. And since it's Cenk behind it, I expect it to be suspect.. JHan Sep 2018 #26

With respect to Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress, as they say............... George II Sep 2018 #27

Seems clear enough which candidates they contribute to: namahage Sep 2018 #41

Exactly. I did expect them to do this though... JHan Sep 2018 #46

Again, what did this group do? Gothmog Sep 2018 #48

and they aren't even mentioned on her site -_- JHan Sep 2018 #52

I notice that also Gothmog Sep 2018 #54

.. all phantasmagorical imaginings...but maybe there's a parallel universe out there... JHan Sep 2018 #59

Endorsements without financial support or logistical support do now win races Gothmog Sep 2018 #63

She had an excellent ground game indeed, JHan Sep 2018 #66

Does the candidate even know that this group was supporting her? Gothmog Sep 2018 #86

She met with Alexandria Cortez once..or maybe a few times. JHan Sep 2018 #89

Nate does not think that the two races are comparable Gothmog Sep 2018 #93

Nate is correct, that's a great piece. JHan Sep 2018 #94

This woman was a HUGE ENDORSEMENT sheshe2 Sep 2018 #112

The Mass. AG was indeed a major endorsement Gothmog Sep 2018 #114

Not that I have heard or seen. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #115

Well, they did post this: namahage Sep 2018 #65

They're calling her "Justice Democrat Ayanna Pressley"? George II Sep 2018 #110

Purity of essence. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #87

It's a group of Democratic politicians who support the bold idea ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #118

Someone on CNN was screaming that it spells doom for Dems in November RandySF Sep 2018 #3

Weird. It's an overwhelmingly blue district. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #5

Not what that pundit said at all Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #25

The Republicans became more successful messaging further from the center Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2018 #64

Didn't Clinton win in Massachachassets? "Played too safe" and yet won? George II Sep 2018 #116

I voted for him, but I'll be happy to support her. Croney Sep 2018 #4

Go Ayanna! C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #6

Where do you hope to see Capuano again? Primarying HER? Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #10

Of course not. C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #12

Name a few where Michael Capuano can fit the need. Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #15

What's your point? C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #16

You said you wanted to see him again. You said there are needs he could fill. Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #18

He seems like a good guy and I hope we see him again. That's it. C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #20

Elizabeth Warren may run for president or be in a future Democratic administration mythology Sep 2018 #33

Justice Democrats kicking butt. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #9

They're running under 33% success rate so far this year (25 of 76)....... George II Sep 2018 #22

That does. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #30

Justice Democrats doesn't spend ANY money on candidates. Of course they'll be "outspent"..... George II Sep 2018 #31

Again making 33% success a big deal. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #38

So you support a group giving the bulk of its monies to staffers and consultants? JHan Sep 2018 #88

Again, what did this group do to help this candidate win? Gothmog Sep 2018 #49

Fundraising, social media campaigning oberliner Sep 2018 #72

Is there any evidence of this in the real world? Gothmog Sep 2018 #85

Great questions. Hopping on her bandwagon doesn't count. nt R B Garr Sep 2018 #100

I check the candidate's website and her ads Gothmog Sep 2018 #103

Exactly. That's why this is so divisive. This candidate was a Democrat R B Garr Sep 2018 #105

Another case of a group of person taking credit mcar Sep 2018 #109

Lol, this again. I bet the majority of her voters have no clue who Justice Democrats are. Go find seaglass Sep 2018 #11

+++++ it's so fucking ridiculous. JHan Sep 2018 #13

Also endorsed by our AG Maura Healey. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #14

'they all just want to jump on her win' melman Sep 2018 #40

FB is all you got? sheshe2 Sep 2018 #67

Wasn't there a similar gracious "thank you" response lapucelle Sep 2018 #69

Yes in both cases. George II Sep 2018 #126

No one was "jumping on her win", they were jumping on the false concept of Pressley.... George II Sep 2018 #122

No one was "jumping on her win" melman Sep 2018 #125

And she was a senior aide to John Kerry. George II Sep 2018 #32

Also a Hill supporter as was Abrams and Gillum. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #43

Of course she was a Hillary supporter Gothmog Sep 2018 #62

I have seen no evidence that this group did anything to help this candidate win in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #51

Here's their website oberliner Sep 2018 #73

And? n/t seaglass Sep 2018 #74

Fantastic news! budkin Sep 2018 #19

"Justice Democrats"? SharonClark Sep 2018 #23

This lady worked for John Kerry Gothmog Sep 2018 #53

K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #28

"Justice Democrats"? Nah, congratulations and chalk up another win for establishment Democrats..... George II Sep 2018 #29

It seems to be a common theme where others want to take credit for someone ELSE's success. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #34

Yessssssssss... sheshe2 Sep 2018 #44

This candidate worked for John Kerry Gothmog Sep 2018 #61

I'm not thrilled with this result. Agschmid Sep 2018 #35

She already did. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #45

It's called "democracy." InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #58

Yes it is. Agschmid Sep 2018 #75

Capuano and Crowley NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #84

Not true of Capuano,he was the left most of the MA delegation. This wasn't a shift to the left. n/t seaglass Sep 2018 #90

Interesting NewJeffCT Sep 2018 #92

This site has him at #22 with number #1 being the most progressive. Agschmid Sep 2018 #95

That's their methodology which doesn't speak to his record of service. seaglass Sep 2018 #99

Hell yeah! welivetotreadonkings Sep 2018 #37

How is she better than Capuano? Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #39

She worked for Kerry and is a regular Democrat. No qualifiers needed. RelativelyJones Sep 2018 #55

She is a great candidate and won on her own Gothmog Sep 2018 #60

+1 RelativelyJones Sep 2018 #68

This is a fantastic win! SkyDancer Sep 2018 #76

"Massive Shift"? In what way? The two have very similar positions on most issues... George II Sep 2018 #117

+1 Go Vols Sep 2018 #124

No mention of "their" candidates in this video who lost... George II Sep 2018 #127

We lost a great progressive. NCTraveler Sep 2018 #78

She was a solid Clinton backer, though she was to the right of Clinton on a number of items. NCTraveler Sep 2018 #81

The voters in that district have spoken. MineralMan Sep 2018 #82

Why Ayanna Pressley's Upset Win In Massachusetts Isn't Really Like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Gothmog Sep 2018 #91

If Cenk is connected in ANY way, has to be BAD BAD BAD news. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #96

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2018 #98

Watch, one of these days a certain group will say something like Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #108

No she isn't, she is a mainstream Dem obamanut2012 Sep 2018 #97

Huge turnout helped power Ayanna Pressley's victory over Michael Capuano. Gothmog Sep 2018 #101

Primaries are important in a true democracy. saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #106

Again?? More divisiveness? I can remember when you questioned R B Garr Sep 2018 #104

Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #107

;) sheshe2 Sep 2018 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Sep 2018 #120

John Kerry this morning gave her a ringing endorsement, said she worked for him 10 years wishstar Sep 2018 #123

Kick politicasista Sep 2018 #132