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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
125. The links.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:09 PM
Sep 2018

On the prinary voter issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?utm_term=.87e4ab894214

"How many Sanders voters voted for Donald Trump?

Two surveys estimate that 12 percent of Sanders voters voted for Trump. A third survey suggests it was 6 percent.


First, the political scientist Brian Schaffner analyzed the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which was conducted by YouGov and interviewed 64,600 Americans in October-November 2016. In that survey, Schaffner found that 12 percent of people who voted in the primary and reported voting for Sanders also voted in November and reported voting for Trump.

Second, the same 12 percent figure emerges in the 2016 VOTER Survey, which was also conducted by YouGov and overseen by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group (of which I am research director). In 2016, this survey interviewed 8,000 respondents in July, when they were asked their primary vote preference, and then in December, when they were asked their general election preference. This has the advantage of measuring primary preference closer to the primaries themselves and then tracking people over time. But their turnout in both elections has not been validated as of yet.


The third survey is the RAND Presidential Election Panel Survey, which interviewed the same group of about 3,000 Americans six times during the campaign. Again, this survey has the advantage of tracking voters over time, but nobody’s turnout has been validated. Among voters who reported supporting Sanders as of March 2016, 6 percent then reported voting for Trump in November."

"Another useful comparison is to 2008, when the question was whether Clinton supporters would vote for Barack Obama or John McCain (R-Ariz.) Based on data from the 2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project, a YouGov survey that also interviewed respondents multiple times during the campaign, 24 percent of people who supported Clinton in the primary as of March 2008 then reported voting for McCain in the general election."


On the voter turnout


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/10/why-did-trump-win-in-part-because-voter-turnout-plunged/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.83ab5fc545b0
"While Trump managed to gain an electoral college victory, not only did he get fewer votes than Hillary Clinton — a fact that, remarkably, seems to merit nothing more than a footnote in almost every discussion of the election — he got fewer votes than Mitt Romney in 2012, fewer votes than John McCain in 2008, and fewer votes than George W. Bush in 2004. In total, fewer than 26 percent of eligible American voters cast their ballots for the man who will occupy the Oval Office come January."

"What’s also important here is how poorly Hillary Clinton did. She got 6 million fewer votes than Barack Obama did in 2012, and nearly 10 million fewer than he did in 2008:"

Saw him on Real Time on Friday bashing Hillary and ecstatic Sep 2018 #1
he also said PBO was the best president of his lifetime DrDan Sep 2018 #2
Yeah, but his attacks completely neutralized the positive comments. nt ecstatic Sep 2018 #8
Well, Bill Maher's show isn't the DU True Dough Sep 2018 #56
Yeah and DU ain't real life either. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #65
And So Is His Film Festival Me. Sep 2018 #121
Moore is a self-proclaimed "polemicist" and he isn't trying to make us like him. PinkTiger Sep 2018 #174
Michael Moore is a Liar. Cha Sep 2018 #183
Thanks for this fact check, Cha mcar Sep 2018 #226
Moore is a Liar and a Divider.. the Obamas are out there Cha Sep 2018 #264
But saying water is drinkable, if you use a filter, is saying it's safe. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #255
Thanks Cha Gothmog Sep 2018 #278
At least Moore is fighting hard to preserve his $50,000,000+ personal fortune. lapucelle Sep 2018 #231
Other people use their star power to help and rebuild their devastated communities. Moore just runs Cha Sep 2018 #281
Mahalo Cha! Moore is a profiteer and no friend to Democrats. lapucelle Sep 2018 #284
Nor do we need Idiots like this.. Cha Sep 2018 #288
Interesting, thanks for posting. betsuni Sep 2018 #285
Moore points out flaws only insofar as it relates to getting votes. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #252
True that, True Dough mountain grammy Sep 2018 #77
Yeah, Michael Moore isn't immune from criticism, either.. don't forget that Cha Sep 2018 #179
I wont say his name anymore, fucker. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #185
Yes, Michael Moore is a GD Liar and look at how many people Cha Sep 2018 #189
his problem is the same as most political observers - they contort themselves into pretzels trying certainot Sep 2018 #296
Thanks, mountain grammy! True Dough Sep 2018 #228
Spot on!! Hulk Sep 2018 #94
Glad we agree! True Dough Sep 2018 #227
Michael Fucking Moore isn't immune from being called out Cha Sep 2018 #175
How many times are you going to post this? Doremus Sep 2018 #222
If it bothers you so much don't read it. Cha Sep 2018 #223
Cha, you are very close to trolling and/or spamming when you post the same long post Nitram Sep 2018 #243
Bullshit. I never posted it to you.. only people who are Cha Sep 2018 #263
Thank you, Cha. You are exactly right about responding to R B Garr Sep 2018 #265
Aloha, RB! It's so good Cha Sep 2018 #271
Thank you, Cha. betsuni Sep 2018 #270
Thank You so Much, betsuni! Cha Sep 2018 #273
Strange, the "Who are you going to believe about MM, me or your lying eyes?" posts. betsuni Sep 2018 #275
Here's more stupid statements from MM in the WaPo.. Cha Sep 2018 #280
Embrace Trump, he's telling lies and telling the truth at the same time. betsuni Sep 2018 #283
No, MM.. trump is LYING his fucking head OFF. End of story. Cha Sep 2018 #287
MM has talked about the first time he met Trump. betsuni Sep 2018 #290
Such principles! lol I blame Michael Moore.. he's bitter & jealous Cha Sep 2018 #294
he is no Sacha Baron Cohen JI7 Sep 2018 #298
I guess you just need attention. nt Nitram Sep 2018 #323
What an ironic comment. Maybe Moore just needs attention. R B Garr Sep 2018 #328
No, it needs to be repeated. betsuni Sep 2018 #268
Hey Cha! True Dough Sep 2018 #235
Gaskets all in place, True Dough.. Cha Sep 2018 #272
Good to hear! True Dough Sep 2018 #274
No, his "attacks" show moderates he's not a "left wing kool aid drinker." thesquanderer Sep 2018 #106
Oh get over it. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #108
That's right.. especially the Liar Michael Moore.. Cha Sep 2018 #176
John Lewis? Who the fuck mentioned John Lewis? liberalnarb Sep 2018 #178
Your deflection about Michael Moore being a GD Liar is noted. Cha Sep 2018 #181
He might be mistaken about Obama's press conference liberalnarb Sep 2018 #186
Yes Michael Moore is a Liar.. and a fucking idiot about President Obama.. Cha Sep 2018 #193
Unfortunately, Pres Obama was disappointing in certain aspects liberalnarb Sep 2018 #197
Oh Bullshit.. I don't need to hear anymore of that Moore Bullshit. Cha Sep 2018 #202
You keep showing yourself to be very unreasonable. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #211
You didn't respond without personally attacking me. Why not address that MM is a LIAR? Cha Sep 2018 #214
Read the rest of the thread. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #215
Who is "committed to outdated third way politics"? betsuni Sep 2018 #218
Dianne Feinstein, Heidi Heitkamp, Joe Manchin liberalnarb Sep 2018 #237
You say that MM referring to the Democratic Party as old guard may be true. betsuni Sep 2018 #238
... Cha Sep 2018 #301
Ha! betsuni Sep 2018 #302
Weren't all three elected to their Senate seats by their constituents? George II Sep 2018 #321
"The quote about Obama ... is 4 or 5 years old." We have to hear about "super-predators," betsuni Sep 2018 #291
Also, as far as what he said about Obama's Flint response is concerned, his general criticism liberalnarb Sep 2018 #191
The mixed messages are vexing. betsuni Sep 2018 #213
He said that Obama was a disappointment. George II Sep 2018 #42
Moore spends more time attacking Obama than attacking trump Gothmog Sep 2018 #99
Horse shit. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #110
Moore hates the democratic party Gothmog Sep 2018 #141
That's just plain wrong. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #145
I disagree Gothmog Sep 2018 #154
We went thru a whole campaign in 2016 with another progressive attacking the Dem party. brush Sep 2018 #158
Agreed Gothmog Sep 2018 #166
That guy you are all talking about is going to elect more GOP Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #188
spot on Hamlette Sep 2018 #209
I am so happy that real Democrats are boycotting this attack on the Democratic Party Gothmog Sep 2018 #343
Yes, that is very noticeable. He makes big bucks R B Garr Sep 2018 #151
Moore is not credible Gothmog Sep 2018 #156
He says that his film spends only about 20 minutes on Trump. betsuni Sep 2018 #217
Who is suprised by this? Gothmog Sep 2018 #269
Only because Obama drank the Flint water on camera instead of Qutzupalotl Sep 2018 #111
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #128
Friday evening - "I love President Obama; we may not have a better president in my lifetime," DrDan Sep 2018 #149
Him saying O was the best pres. of his life but then turning around to bash the Dems... brush Sep 2018 #171
so no Dem is less-than-perfect? DrDan Sep 2018 #172
I REPEAT. THE ELECTION IS 40 DAYS AWAY. WE NEED SUPPORT NOT CRITICISM. brush Sep 2018 #177
I think, as do others here, that offering criticism is not DrDan Sep 2018 #192
Is 40 some days before the election the time to risk driving voters away? brush Sep 2018 #195
I'm done - good luck quieting those that offer objective criticisms DrDan Sep 2018 #200
Is it censhorship or is their timing stupid as hell? brush Sep 2018 #203
pretty clear to me DrDan Sep 2018 #212
Seriously? If he can criticise the party he can be criticised. brush Sep 2018 #216
This OP is still standing. OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #248
No, he said he "LOVES" Obama but took issue with the water crisis matter. He wanted Hillary to win LBM20 Sep 2018 #13
It's bullshit. For genuine criticism, read Avenatti's tweets ecstatic Sep 2018 #18
Exactly! justie18 Sep 2018 #34
What is the difference between the tarffs and trade that Bernie proposed and what Trump is doing? olegramps Sep 2018 #44
The question we should ask: is it true? rainy Sep 2018 #57
No it's not true. He mainly won the very undemocratic caucuses ecstatic Sep 2018 #68
Exactly. +1 charlyvi Sep 2018 #72
Exactly. Sanders mainly won undemocratic caucuses Gothmog Sep 2018 #102
She also won the nomination without radical noodle Sep 2018 #103
Exactly! plus +1000 justie18 Sep 2018 #114
Exactly. Maybe they think some won't notice the R B Garr Sep 2018 #144
Hillary received almost 4 million more votes tan Sanders did. The people spoke. Does that answer lunamagica Sep 2018 #101
As far as I can tell Moore was saying Hillary being given the debate questions in advance, which Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #39
It was a question about the water situation in Flint during the Flint debate.. JHan Sep 2018 #46
Truth, or fiction? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #54
Okay.. JHan Sep 2018 #66
If Moore gave a crap about Flint, he'd not have pushed the dumb lies he did Ninsianna Sep 2018 #310
But she diabolically "stole the election" so that doesn't count. betsuni Sep 2018 #313
Obviously no amount of evidence will convince some...that Moore even loves his hometown.... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #324
he's either idiotic or can't accept the reasons WhiteTara Sep 2018 #60
Nobody seems to remember the first Democratic debate calimary Sep 2018 #63
thanks for that reminder, she made it an issue.. JHan Sep 2018 #69
The "scandal" was because, in the debate in Flint, she was told there would be a question Squinch Sep 2018 #59
he forgot that Bernie was given the same heads up. Ninsianna Sep 2018 #91
IIRC the debate questions being given was during the general election. brush Sep 2018 #160
The Washington Post, CNN and Donna Brazile disagree. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #163
I voted for and strongly supported Hillary in 2008 ,voted for Bernie in 2016 and felt that the .. CentralMass Sep 2018 #70
Hiw did the DNC rig the primary and where are you getting these numbers from? Ninsianna Sep 2018 #93
*Crickets* lunamagica Sep 2018 #107
The links. CentralMass Sep 2018 #125
If 24% of Hillary voters truly voted for McCain, he would have won John Fante Sep 2018 #137
I think you forgot to answer my question. Ninsianna Sep 2018 #308
+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #314
+1, "rigged" systems were also parroted by Trump. R B Garr Sep 2018 #142
I posted the numbers links in another reply to my post. Regrading the rigging.. CentralMass Sep 2018 #147
Sorry, but that doesn't seem to reflect a basic understanding of superdelegates Ninsianna Sep 2018 #309
I don't know where you got your numbers from, but they're off. Fla Dem Sep 2018 #135
When did he say Hillary stole the primary? liberalnarb Sep 2018 #118
Evidently in his movie because Bill Maher asked him about it. betsuni Sep 2018 #242
Exactly! With friends like this, who needs enemies jrthin Sep 2018 #129
Moore also said DownriverDem Sep 2018 #96
"Hillary stole the primaries from Bernie, vote for her" Yeah, that helped lunamagica Sep 2018 #119
MOre BULLSHIT from Moore. Cha Sep 2018 #305
Michael Moore is Full of Shite.. this is what he said in 2014 about President Obama.. Cha Sep 2018 #199
Lol. Nt BootinUp Sep 2018 #32
Bashing? What exactly did he say? KPN Sep 2018 #33
Honest criticism same as bashing on DU mountain grammy Sep 2018 #80
what we have learned is that most of this bashing is dishonest and nonfactual Ninsianna Sep 2018 #97
We need support now of the party with Nov. looming, not critcism. brush Sep 2018 #165
Well, that's just it.. Michael Moore is a gd Liar.. so how is that Cha Sep 2018 #205
Well, he didn't "bash" Obama. He said something about Obama pretending to drink Flint water. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #247
Nonsense manor321 Sep 2018 #3
Correct . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2018 #9
Shallow thinking. LBM20 Sep 2018 #17
"Shallow," perhaps, but, then again, maybe Occam's Razor . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2018 #120
I agree jcgoldie Sep 2018 #24
I must agree... comradebillyboy Sep 2018 #36
No, and enough of ONLY the "white anger" point. That is shallow thinking. It was WAY more than that. LBM20 Sep 2018 #14
People lost their factories and strip malls? jcgoldie Sep 2018 #28
My personal experience but Leighbythesea Sep 2018 #98
That is a lot of challenges to face. Good luck to you. spooky3 Sep 2018 #143
Thank you deancr Sep 2018 #157
Thanks for sharing your story jcgoldie Sep 2018 #164
"they certainly weren't worse off in 2016 than they were in 2008" So true! betsuni Sep 2018 #240
Several studies have shown that racism and sexism, spooky3 Sep 2018 #49
yup, this election was after the court struck down voting rights JI7 Sep 2018 #124
Racism and sexism accounted for votes for Trump. One of Moore's points is that the largest liberalnarb Sep 2018 #127
120 Recs says your wrong! nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #229
Also, the votes of the heartland and Flint spoke volumes, they chose Hillary. Ninsianna Sep 2018 #311
Looking forward to Fahrenheit 11/9 klook Sep 2018 #4
Just like Susan Sarandon is on our side... comradebillyboy Sep 2018 #37
No comparison, but hey, keep trying. (nt) klook Sep 2018 #45
They said the same things. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #50
Those so simplistic its laughable. paleotn Sep 2018 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Cirque du So-What Sep 2018 #5
"he understood the deep anger and frustration of so many in the heartland" jcgoldie Sep 2018 #6
Why the attacks against Obama and Pelosi - just before the midterms? dalton99a Sep 2018 #7
No, he has said he LOVES Obama time and again. It was just about his response to the Flynt water LBM20 Sep 2018 #16
He said he very much loves Obama and he is the greatest President of all time! On Bill Maher just Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #38
The man is FROM Flint Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #47
Larry Flynt? jcgoldie Sep 2018 #51
Fair enough, ya got me. I get lazy checking spellings. Corrected now, Thanks. n/t Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #52
What he's peddling is disinformation. JHan Sep 2018 #55
Moore is not credible on this or other issues Gothmog Sep 2018 #182
Especially if you make documentaries. betsuni Sep 2018 #250
I think when one has to translate another's message & motives to those who have always supported ... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #10
Moore's rants are no longer amusing or relevant to me Gothmog Sep 2018 #11
Hopefully when he rants to vote in November in order to wipe out the R's that is relevant for you. LBM20 Sep 2018 #19
Moore does not care about the party Gothmog Sep 2018 #48
How does attacking President Obama and the Democratic Party help voter turnout? Gothmog Sep 2018 #344
I will watch this movie... BlueJac Sep 2018 #12
Yeah I watched Active Measures Friday night BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #23
No misunderstanding. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Sep 2018 #20
Moore said Obama did some good things but is showing disappointment that he didn't do more. So, LBM20 Sep 2018 #27
So GD patronizing BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #31
Not "patronizing" at all; this post is the truth. Ron Green Sep 2018 #58
You first BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #62
THANKS, LBM. elleng Sep 2018 #21
On DU? G_j Sep 2018 #190
It appears to be a big dud. Scurrilous Sep 2018 #22
That's great news. Thanks for posting. BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #26
May be due to Trump fatigue. So many books, other films, etc. LBM20 Sep 2018 #29
No, I don't think so. The books have been huge hits. The problem is that he is attacking Democrats. lunamagica Sep 2018 #92
Yeah Gothmog Sep 2018 #184
GOOD! lunamagica Sep 2018 #88
Wtf ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #115
The less people see Democrats being bashed just weeks before the midterms, the better lunamagica Sep 2018 #117
And yet here you are ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #159
I'm hoping he is not effective in his bashing of Democrats, and I don't lunamagica Sep 2018 #170
He does a lot more than "bashing Democrats" ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #194
"He does a lot more than "bashing Democrats", right, but he DOES bash Democrats, as you lunamagica Sep 2018 #198
No I said "bashing Democrats", your phrase ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #201
Moore is not an ally of the party Gothmog Sep 2018 #187
Yeah Gothmog Sep 2018 #105
Agree. Thank you. zentrum Sep 2018 #25
I was here in 2004 RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #30
Republicans and Reagan Democrats have always hated the guy. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #43
"Reagan Democrats" have a specified definition and demographics. R B Garr Sep 2018 #79
You mean by sponsoring wars and flag burning legislation and banning gay marriage? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #234
Trying to smear Democrats by calling them R B Garr Sep 2018 #257
I don't think there will be any looking things up. betsuni Sep 2018 #307
Talking point: insinuating DU members are "Reagan Democrats" betsuni Sep 2018 #306
Bullshit. Cha Sep 2018 #303
"the same crowd": Democrats were trashing Fahrenheit 9/11? No they weren't. betsuni Sep 2018 #316
Thanks. Wrote an OP before I saw your more excellent one in defence of Moore. Totally agree. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #35
So tired of him and "both sides are the same". we can do it Sep 2018 #40
He did "predict" Trump ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #41
He also predicted Romney would win. If you predict the Republican every time, sometimes you'll be Squinch Sep 2018 #61
Very true. ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #85
You are so right! Thank you. It was disturbing rainy Sep 2018 #53
Wow watoos Sep 2018 #64
Bingo. paleotn Sep 2018 #74
I agree! denvine Sep 2018 #76
+1 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #67
Ugh... paleotn Sep 2018 #71
Hear,hear!!! +1000 mountain grammy Sep 2018 #86
Michael Moore is a Liar.. and Yes I know I'm posting this a lot .. with no response so far, btw. Cha Sep 2018 #208
Amen. shanny Sep 2018 #90
Bravo! Exactly this: scarletwoman Sep 2018 #109
Saying that Hillary stole the primaries is a clear attack. lunamagica Sep 2018 #113
This ... SEEMS ... like an attack due to ignoring outside interference !!! It existed and HAS TO BE uponit7771 Sep 2018 #148
Michael Moore is a GD Liar. How's that for criticism? Cha Sep 2018 #206
Precisely! So very succinct and spot on. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #207
K & R Duppers Sep 2018 #75
Wow, after reading some of the comments on your post Farmer-Rick Sep 2018 #78
Well said watoos Sep 2018 #84
From another Farmer, thank you! mountain grammy Sep 2018 #87
wishful thinking G_j Sep 2018 #196
Yes, bots never sleep. Farmer-Rick Sep 2018 #239
Sounds all so decisive. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #81
Moore is not a Democrat violetpastille Sep 2018 #82
Why can't he be more like that nice Joe Manchin? QC Sep 2018 #233
Talking point: Because Joe Manchin exists, both parties are the same. betsuni Sep 2018 #244
Michael Moore wants YOU to "Embrace trump" Cha Sep 2018 #300
"Moore was one of the few correct in predicting Trump's inside-straight win in 2016" Perseus Sep 2018 #83
He was sounding a warning: "Do not be complacent about having this election in the bag." nt scarletwoman Sep 2018 #112
Moore also predicted a Romney win. Squinch Sep 2018 #152
Whenever I see him doing his "Democrats are at fault too" schtick.... Adrahil Sep 2018 #89
Sorry, he is not getting a penny from me lunamagica Sep 2018 #95
Thank you. You speak for me. scarletwoman Sep 2018 #100
Not perfect, but generally a voice from the Left icaria Sep 2018 #104
Thank you I very much agree ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #116
Very much so dembotoz Sep 2018 #123
Do you actually believe Obama told Flint parents Hortensis Sep 2018 #346
thanks for the great post Kurt V. Sep 2018 #122
It never ceases to amaze me tiredtoo Sep 2018 #126
Thanks I agree Leighbythesea Sep 2018 #130
No Michael Moore has NOT always supported Democrats, and in 2000 when he said that a vote for Gore still_one Sep 2018 #131
Hear hear! lunamagica Sep 2018 #132
+1. In politics, timing is everything. dalton99a Sep 2018 #134
Moore supported Nader and Moore is responsible for the Iraq war, Citiizens United and the gutting of Gothmog Sep 2018 #169
I woulldn't say that, but I would say that he helped lead a lot of guilible naive people from voting still_one Sep 2018 #225
Nader, Moore and Sarandon need to take responsibility for the 2000 election Gothmog Sep 2018 #262
Nader and Sarandon have no remorse or regrets. Moore did express remorse on Bill Maher's show, but still_one Sep 2018 #286
Moore is not an ally of the Democratic Party and it is in his best efforts to hurt the party Gothmog Sep 2018 #293
I agree still_one Sep 2018 #297
*** BULLSHIT !!! *** Where is the mention of Russia !?!? Either they DID or DID NOT interfere !!! uponit7771 Sep 2018 #133
. dalton99a Sep 2018 #136
It's flat Earth logic to ignore outside factors like voter suppression and Russian interference. uponit7771 Sep 2018 #146
This is not just covered on Russia Television violetpastille Sep 2018 #150
My problem is the timing. moondust Sep 2018 #138
Spot on analysis and great question lunamagica Sep 2018 #153
I shudder to think of the Kompromat eom violetpastille Sep 2018 #161
Actually, Moore was 100% wrong about the reasons behind Hillary losing the EC. stopbush Sep 2018 #139
Way to miss the point ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #155
Way to believe a line of self-serving bs. stopbush Sep 2018 #162
No, it is you who is missing the point Gothmog Sep 2018 #168
Correct. betsuni Sep 2018 #246
Thank You, stopbush, for calling out Michael Moore on his BullShit. Cha Sep 2018 #266
Moore did something stupid in 2000 MountCleaners Sep 2018 #140
Moore and Sarandon both endorsed and voted for Nader Gothmog Sep 2018 #167
Moore's vote probably didn't make a difference in Michigan. But by FL, it was clear... Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #258
Moore needs to get over his Bitterness and concentrate on the RW. Cha Sep 2018 #267
K&r Owl Sep 2018 #173
Who are these trolls who The Wizard Sep 2018 #180
When people disagree with you it doesn't make them "trolls" jcgoldie Sep 2018 #221
I think 'misunderstanding' is too generous an interpretation melman Sep 2018 #204
Then perhaps he should stop. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #232
Michael Moore with other like Susan Sarandon shares the blame for 2016 Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #210
I'm ony here to comment on the spectacular circular firing squad that is being carried here elmac Sep 2018 #219
When we start destroying fellow progressives we are destroying any chance of ridding elmac Sep 2018 #220
Michael Moore is a Liar and a Divider.. I'm Not supporting that Bullshit. Cha Sep 2018 #224
oh my elmac Sep 2018 #327
Yeah, I know you don't care if the LIAR MM calls trump "hitler" Cha Sep 2018 #333
Perhaps it would be instructive if you would look at see who is attacking who, and who is the one still_one Sep 2018 #230
perhaps you should. nt elmac Sep 2018 #325
Predictable. Have a nice day still_one Sep 2018 #329
Yes, so predictable. Are they going to Follow MM into "Embracing trump", too? Cha Sep 2018 #334
WOW!!! With that statement, Moore is even more incoerhent and irrelevent still_one Sep 2018 #335
Yes, Michael Moore has No credibility whatsoever. Cha Sep 2018 #338
I stopped paying attention to Moore a while back Gothmog Sep 2018 #340
one good thing about this thread elmac Sep 2018 #330
Are you calling progressives haters? That's not very nice! betsuni Sep 2018 #337
Where is there evidence that DoD was "using Flint as target practice"? OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #236
In general, when the military or the CIA are blamed for planning a domestic health crisis, it is Nitram Sep 2018 #245
Yeah, I'm used to that. OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #251
I know! It's the worst thing MM said, but not getting much attention. betsuni Sep 2018 #254
Thank You for challenging Moore on his vid, Oilem.. Cha Sep 2018 #304
The Flint water problem was caused by STATE and LOCAL govt. Not the federal govt. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #260
he is a nice genuine person but not the most intellectual AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #241
I saw the film today. Very powerful. Boomerproud Sep 2018 #249
No misunderstanding at all, on my part... SidDithers Sep 2018 #253
fuck that JI7 Sep 2018 #259
June 9, 2016 - same day as Trump Tower meeting dalton99a Sep 2018 #276
interesting JI7 Sep 2018 #299
+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #277
WOW! Amazing photo! Sickening. That reveals much. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #320
Circular firing squad is right. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #256
I thought his movie was kind of all over the place but it was clearly progressive Alhena Sep 2018 #261
Lots of people are much smarter than they are being given credit for. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #279
Fresh Shite from Michael Moore.. Cha Sep 2018 #282
Real Democrats are actually working on getting out the vote Gothmog Sep 2018 #292
Moore is depressing the Vote Lying about the Democratic Party.. he's bitter Cha Sep 2018 #295
Here is what a real Democrat is doing Gothmog Sep 2018 #345
The Big Reason That Creep Won colsohlibgal Sep 2018 #289
Agree Raine Sep 2018 #312
Dp we really need moore now? empedocles Sep 2018 #315
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #317
"Look at this thread. DU has made it impossible to discuss the realties of the Democratic Party betsuni Sep 2018 #318
Moar LOL betsuni Sep 2018 #319
The irony is this 319-post string is as much a "circular firing squad" as anything - the strength Kashkakat v.2.0 Sep 2018 #322
Its lot looking good for November if we keep elmac Sep 2018 #326
Real Democrats are working hard of GOTV efforts Gothmog Sep 2018 #332
'Fahrenheit 11/9': Why Michael Moore's Trump Doc Bombed Gothmog Sep 2018 #331
I guess he can blame the dismal premiere showing on the establishment Democrats also still_one Sep 2018 #336
Attacking Democrats and the Democratic Party was a stupid move Gothmog Sep 2018 #339
seems that way still_one Sep 2018 #341
It seems that real Democrats did NOT buy Moore's lies about President Obama and the Democratic Party Gothmog Sep 2018 #342
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