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158. Not really . ...

Thu Oct 4, 2018, 06:14 AM

Oct 2018

... electoral votes are roughly proportionsl to the population of a state: the sum of repeseatives and senators.

It is the winner take all asspect that creates the anti-majority structural bias in the electoral colllege. And this works to favor the Democratic party.

For instance, in a real red stste like wyoming with very few dems, only a few dem votes are canceled by winner take all. And only a smal number of electoral votes are gained. In a large blue state like California where there are a higher percentage of repubs but no where near the number needed to make the state red, a whole lot more repub votes are cancled than the number of dem votes canceled in Wyoming. And a whole lot more electoral votes are gained.

Right now the Democratics have the advantage in the electoral collage.

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I just alerted my brother I will no longer talk to him. [View all] Goodheart Oct 2018 OP

My sister and I no longer speak for that same reason. nt zanana1 Oct 2018 #1

Trump and his cadre of have succeeded in driving the nation into hopeless division. olegramps Oct 2018 #46

He has revealed who they are. nt Duppers Oct 2018 #102

Beautifully written. kag Oct 2018 #104

it is important to remember, our degradation is from REPUBLICANS. CharleyDog Oct 2018 #113

I'm going to disagree slightly FakeNoose Oct 2018 #127

Far too few krkaufman Oct 2018 #147

We were in this place way before the Orange Turd. MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #131

I very much agree. As Obama reflected that Trump is the result, the symptom not the exception. olegramps Oct 2018 #159

Life is too short to be dealing with such ignorance. OnDoutside Oct 2018 #2

im no longer speaking to my t party sis... samnsara Oct 2018 #3

Brother against brother. Another Civil War is not out of the question if things get worse. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #4

I think it's inevitable The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #47

Except DownriverDem Oct 2018 #62

This. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #76

2016 map jdoyle1x1 Oct 2018 #105

is this real? highmindedhavi Oct 2018 #116

It's real, but deceptive . .,, reACTIONary Oct 2018 #143

Great point. I've seen maps with klook Oct 2018 #146

the map is very much on point in light of electoral college AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #150

Maybe, but they're still the minority. John Fante Oct 2018 #151

Not really . ... reACTIONary Oct 2018 #158

I couldn't have been more wrong. CrispyQ Oct 2018 #121

You've figured out the difference between common and rare, yes? LanternWaste Oct 2018 #122

election maps based on population not area spike jones Oct 2018 #125

I also like the vertical ones. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #130

The very low voter turnout was a factor. CentralMass Oct 2018 #129

Welcome to DU, jdoyle1x1. calimary Oct 2018 #148

yes, most of the higher populated cities within Red States can be VERY Blue JI7 Oct 2018 #156

IMHO Civil War II has already begun. CaptainTruth Oct 2018 #64

And that IS the Truth, Captain. dchill Oct 2018 #144

It IS developing into a latter-day Civil War. calimary Oct 2018 #69

I've never seen it this divided either. Ligyron Oct 2018 #83

Agreed customerserviceguy Oct 2018 #110

Didn't Alex Jones say the left would start a civil war this past July 4th? OnlinePoker Oct 2018 #81

Project and reverse Ellen Forradalom Oct 2018 #112

Good article in NY Times about this. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #141

Hey, there's nothing wrong with making a thread. Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #5

Every day feels like a nightmare to me. Goodheart Oct 2018 #6

You are absolutely right. Ligyron Oct 2018 #86

Maybe true.. Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #88

Oh, I'd be the very first to welcome them back to sanity if it happened. Ligyron Oct 2018 #91

Yeah, the first type you mentioned is much easier to deal with Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #97

I'm not the DU Grand Poobah but I encourage you to post what you want. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #7

You might want to amend your thinking on that vlyons Oct 2018 #8

Sometimes for your own health, you need to back away from a person mythology Oct 2018 #29

Julia Sweeney's dad refused to speak a word to her because... kiri Oct 2018 #78

Yeah, I was saying the same thing Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #32

My sister went off the rails about 10 years ago with the tea party. pazzyanne Oct 2018 #63

My brother is the same way. Staying away is best for your well-being. nt SunSeeker Oct 2018 #9

This is common now sarah FAILIN Oct 2018 #10

I don't think trump should split siblings... SimpleC Oct 2018 #11

Yeah, maybe the people that seem to follow fads in general are more susceptible to Trump. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2018 #162

That's sad. greytdemocrat Oct 2018 #12

You need understanding and someone to listen to you tymorial Oct 2018 #13

My Brother-in-Law Turbineguy Oct 2018 #14

Yours sounds like my family in a way. hostalover Oct 2018 #82

Faux Bot lpbk2713 Oct 2018 #15

Good. (nt) Paladin Oct 2018 #16

maxim: qui tacet consentit [silence gives consent] RestoreAmerica2020 Oct 2018 #17

Politics is absolutely no reason to sever ties with your brother. That's a lazy response. jpljr77 Oct 2018 #18

Of Course It Is ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #21

My grandfather told me: God gives you your relatives, you pick your friends. olegramps Oct 2018 #50

Your grandfather is a wise man. Thanks for sharing this saying. I love it. NT SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #74

Good luck with that line of "reasoning"... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #22

This stuff can be very bad for your health BeyondGeography Oct 2018 #33

What a toxic response Boomer Oct 2018 #43

+1,000,000. n/t Different Drummer Oct 2018 #92

In normal times you would be right The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #52

True Oppaloopa Oct 2018 #66

Sharing DNA doesn't mean we have to tolearate them when they cross a line nini Oct 2018 #71

Man i can certainly relate to your problem!! bluestarone Oct 2018 #19

My list is longer than I would like angrychair Oct 2018 #20

I feel sorry for both of you. pintobean Oct 2018 #23

Its not politics and its not love GusBob Oct 2018 #79

Putting politics over love? Sure. Goodheart Oct 2018 #95

Politics? You call supporting someone who mocks the disabled politics? You call supporting lunamagica Oct 2018 #103

Don't worry pintobean Oct 2018 #107

Why would I worry? lunamagica Oct 2018 #108

This. nt Atticus Oct 2018 #135

Politics is about morality and values. LuckyLib Oct 2018 #119

I thought that was religion. pintobean Oct 2018 #132

you know people use politics to push their shitty religion like taking away gay rights JI7 Oct 2018 #157

I'm sorry. I have a brother like that, too. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #24

You know, we all have challenges enough in life to have to worry about our own family ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2018 #25

My sister and I no longer speak either... Moostache Oct 2018 #26

Both of my brothers fall into that category Bettie Oct 2018 #27

OMG that is one scary dad . Stay away lunasun Oct 2018 #154

I've came to believe we can change people only by example.... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2018 #28

No brother D00ver Oct 2018 #30

In haven't spoken to my brother in years, fox fake news addict and racist elmac Oct 2018 #31

You can't pick your family. Joe Nation Oct 2018 #34

Good for you... had the same issue with my Bushiphile brother after the 2000 election disaster. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #35

Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. violetpastille Oct 2018 #36

This one here.... LuckyCharms Oct 2018 #39

It has been 7 years since I've spoken to my siblings. LuckyCharms Oct 2018 #37

So sorry for your family tragedy, having a total ass as a brother. lark Oct 2018 #38

Sometimes family is truly toxic. That is all. nt FromTheAshes Oct 2018 #40

Sometimes a relationship becomes so toxic that for your own health you need to walk away. octoberlib Oct 2018 #41

Support for you! HAB911 Oct 2018 #42

You are not the only one riverbendviewgal Oct 2018 #44

Don't Blame You; Sister in Law Trump Supporter djacq Oct 2018 #45

Same with me and my older brother. We no longer speak. PearliePoo2 Oct 2018 #48

Lines are being drawn Loge23 Oct 2018 #49

I refuse to be withing 1 mile of my brother. sagesnow Oct 2018 #51

Haven't spoken to my brother, my only sibling Heartstrings Oct 2018 #53

I'm lucky, I have no direct blood family members who gave their support to that orange asshole The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #54

Good for you... Sounds like the right thing to do. Zn/t whathehell Oct 2018 #55

I, long ago, even before Trump, decided to not associate with racists, mysogonists and morons louis c Oct 2018 #56

Welcome to the sad club of folks who have had families & friendships torn apart by that catbyte Oct 2018 #57

Seems to be down to that. backscatter712 Oct 2018 #58

I have cut off all Trumpinistas The Wizard Oct 2018 #59

My sister and I parted company about a year ago. pazzyanne Oct 2018 #60

Me and my twin brother have been estranged jb5150 Oct 2018 #61

I'm sorry that happened but you need to do what's Upthevibe Oct 2018 #65

My brother is a Trumpian and I already know his misogynistic nature for strong professional women, iluvtennis Oct 2018 #67

For the most part, we've cut ties with my brother in law and family mountain grammy Oct 2018 #68

I haven't been talking to my sister since Trump began running and she was "rabid" with me ebbie15644 Oct 2018 #70

No Trumpsters is the only sane policy The Polack MSgt Oct 2018 #72

A story of two uncles and some hope mahina Oct 2018 #73

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT IRREVERSIBLE! Hortensis Oct 2018 #75

Perhaps Ellen Forradalom Oct 2018 #114

:) No, and guessing he won't change that way. Hortensis Oct 2018 #123

That view is optimistic Ellen Forradalom Oct 2018 #163

I Lost A Very Good Friend Who I Once Respected ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2018 #77

.....So Sorry..... titanicdave Oct 2018 #80

You did what you had to do . . . hatrack Oct 2018 #84

I used to have a friend like that... BlueJac Oct 2018 #85

Actually, it kinda DOES need its own thread. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2018 #87

Some things run deeper than family. Nitram Oct 2018 #89

That's what I've come to know. Goodheart Oct 2018 #93

I haven't reached that point in my family yet. 47of74 Oct 2018 #90

If family members can respect boundaries and just avoid the topics they know will cause each other Nitram Oct 2018 #94

My sister and I still speak - but barely. lillypaddle Oct 2018 #96

Division in my family also HelenWheels Oct 2018 #98

I tell myself that this is what my BROTHER chose. Goodheart Oct 2018 #100

Oh, this needs its own thread. It needs its whole national discussion. LisaM Oct 2018 #99

I'm so sorry. Had my brother said that Duppers Oct 2018 #101

now that's a "presidential alert" alright 0rganism Oct 2018 #106

I no longer talk to my brother Ellen Forradalom Oct 2018 #109

I'm sorry to hear that. sandensea Oct 2018 #111

The re-election of President Obama in 2012 LittleGirl Oct 2018 #115

sorry for your loss trueblue2007 Oct 2018 #117

Your family is not alone. Perhaps the most famous example is Rep. Gosar. Marcuse Oct 2018 #118

It has to be done. Scruffy1 Oct 2018 #120

I'm pretty sure the same thing happened in the Trump famly FakeNoose Oct 2018 #124

I have literally ended dozens of long time friendships over Trump Sqee Oct 2018 #126

I do not blame you one bit CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #128

How do you fight this kind of nastiness? Goodheart Oct 2018 #133

Might wanna stay away from him at least for a while, lest things are said... Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #134

that's beyond the pale jcsg Oct 2018 #136

Welp... Doubt if it will ever heal... Unfortunately! busterbrown Oct 2018 #137

If you only hear from them when they want something well ... CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #139

really it's not worth the anger and pain..n/t busterbrown Oct 2018 #140

Right CountAllVotes Oct 2018 #152

People used to say "blood is thicker than water..." hay rick Oct 2018 #138

This is very sad Raine Oct 2018 #142

Thank you. So many of us have this dilemma with diabolical words from family members. Prof.Higgins Oct 2018 #145

Trump should be burning in hell for his lies. (Tots & pears) nt Ilsa Oct 2018 #149

I have separated from some family but no trumpers . Anytime it's uncomfortable to the point lunasun Oct 2018 #153

I'm sorry Niagara Oct 2018 #155

I have a brother like that. CousinIT Oct 2018 #160

My husband's extended family except for a couple are trump worshippers nt maryellen99 Oct 2018 #161