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bucolic_frolic

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46. If it only gets us to 50, Manchin will vote yes

Reply to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 12:39 PM

Oct 2018

If he gets us to 51, Manchin will vote no

That's how i see the calculations.

No sense in taking election risk if it means nothing for the party

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A yes vote on cloture is NOT a yes vote on nomination, and things just got interesting [View all] scheming daemons Oct 2018 OP

every single YES vote nees to be primaried... samnsara Oct 2018 #1

except that the 2018 primaries are over SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #30

That's the shortsighted idea that lost us control of the House and Senate. pnwmom Oct 2018 #33

A lesson some here Codeine Oct 2018 #34

Folks forget Manchin with a D in WV is a political miracle. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #41

Politics aside HopeAgain Oct 2018 #43

Putting politics aside in this case is ridiculous. If the Dems can stop K without Manchin, pnwmom Oct 2018 #61

I disagree completely HopeAgain Oct 2018 #62

Folks don't know DownriverDem Oct 2018 #56

Half a loaf is better than none njhoneybadger Oct 2018 #59

In a very unprincipled way... HopeAgain Oct 2018 #63

Tell that to a starving man Hekate Oct 2018 #66

Yes.. as much as CLOTURE has been explained here, it only underscores how few took civics classes hlthe2b Oct 2018 #2

Anybody who watches CSPAN2 will eventually learn it BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #9

Yes... indeed. hlthe2b Oct 2018 #10

I wrote to my state's dept of education many times BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #13

Each one: Teach one violetpastille Oct 2018 #28

With the hardcore partisanship, cloture has become nearly equivalent of late! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #36

Obviously not today... and nor should it ever be considered so. hlthe2b Oct 2018 #39

I would say so. Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #57

Even if Collins flips Pence will break the tie underpants Oct 2018 #3

So how's it look bdamomma Oct 2018 #20

no, if murjkowski has voted no, collins would clinch it... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #35

No. If Collins flips that would be 50-50 underpants Oct 2018 #42

uhmm, your math is quite wrng here getagrip_already Oct 2018 #44

Thank you. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #4

Debates will still happen on the floor! rainy Oct 2018 #5

Well said, and yes, most adults really need a brush up course in USGOV-101.nt procon Oct 2018 #6

Agree, Manchin is not the deciding vote. nt Cognitive_Resonance Oct 2018 #7

What about Daines (R) who will be at his daughter's wedding? shraby Oct 2018 #8

If McConnell thinks he can't get to 50 without Daines, the vote won't be held until Sunday. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #11

I heard that he rearranged his flights so he will be available to vote. catbyte Oct 2018 #12

Unless they know for sure that Manchin will vote "yes" BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #14

they are saying Daines will be back even if a Trump family plane gets him. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #38

Cloture or final vote, this is all contrieved Drama for the masses. They wouldn't hold the vote still_one Oct 2018 #15

They held the ACA vote without knowing that McCain would be a 2am thumbs down. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #16

In my view this isn't comparable. This is about a lifetime appointment to further a political still_one Oct 2018 #19

My point is that McConnell wants to hold the vote regardless of if he wins or not scheming daemons Oct 2018 #21

While I agree with your assessment IF they lost the vote they would want to move another nominee still_one Oct 2018 #24

Likewise, a no vote on cloture is not necessarily a no vote on the nomination. WillowTree Oct 2018 #17

No, but it usually is. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #18

I'm thinking Flake will vote No Bayard Oct 2018 #22

If Flake votes no... that means 50 NO votes. Without Manchin. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #23

Correct- Collins vote not an indication of her final vote KatyBR Oct 2018 #25

Thanks for this explanation. There's a lot of hair on fire The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #26

I'm hearing from the hill RedSpartan Oct 2018 #27

Why does the seat of one senator outweigh the future of the SCOTUS in the lives of Americans for.. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #40

The "take one for the team" argument ... Straw Man Oct 2018 #48

tell it to this and several more generations of women. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #60

Would future generations of women be better served ... Straw Man Oct 2018 #68

With Collins and Flake as yes RedSpartan Oct 2018 #52

Thnak you. I'm one of zentrum Oct 2018 #29

Beyond this, snort Oct 2018 #31

Yes, thank you for the civics lesson recentevents Oct 2018 #32

As per CNN Silver1 Oct 2018 #37

It's better if he's voted in LostinRed Oct 2018 #45

Unless rammed through in December or we don't take the Senate bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #47

I think they see *ANYTHING* they do The Mouth Oct 2018 #64

You need 67 senators to remove a judge after being impeached. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #51

Do you really think he can be impeached? area51 Oct 2018 #54

If it only gets us to 50, Manchin will vote yes bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #46

I bet it's a 50-50 tie in the final and Pence will ride in on a white horse to cast the tie breaker Baclava Oct 2018 #49

You're 100% correct - this happens every time. All that vote does is address the inevitable.... George II Oct 2018 #50

Thank you. I wish more DU'ers had taken civics classes or read a book about how Congress works emulatorloo Oct 2018 #53

Pence does NOT enter into the equation with 99 Senators. Sqee Oct 2018 #55

Daines will be back to vote, they can hold the vote open for him to return Baclava Oct 2018 #58

They told us. All of those except Murkowski have pledged to vote yes. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #65

She has said, as of 3:00 pm on Friday, polmaven Oct 2018 #67