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Lucky Luciano

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57. I would say so.

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:22 PM

Oct 2018

People always talk about needing 60 votes to get anything done and partisanship then blocks anything from happening since nobody can get 60 votes (hence those dickheads lowered it to 50 for Supreme Court appointees).

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A yes vote on cloture is NOT a yes vote on nomination, and things just got interesting [View all] scheming daemons Oct 2018 OP

every single YES vote nees to be primaried... samnsara Oct 2018 #1

except that the 2018 primaries are over SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #30

That's the shortsighted idea that lost us control of the House and Senate. pnwmom Oct 2018 #33

A lesson some here Codeine Oct 2018 #34

Folks forget Manchin with a D in WV is a political miracle. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #41

Politics aside HopeAgain Oct 2018 #43

Putting politics aside in this case is ridiculous. If the Dems can stop K without Manchin, pnwmom Oct 2018 #61

I disagree completely HopeAgain Oct 2018 #62

Folks don't know DownriverDem Oct 2018 #56

Half a loaf is better than none njhoneybadger Oct 2018 #59

In a very unprincipled way... HopeAgain Oct 2018 #63

Tell that to a starving man Hekate Oct 2018 #66

Yes.. as much as CLOTURE has been explained here, it only underscores how few took civics classes hlthe2b Oct 2018 #2

Anybody who watches CSPAN2 will eventually learn it BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #9

Yes... indeed. hlthe2b Oct 2018 #10

I wrote to my state's dept of education many times BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #13

Each one: Teach one violetpastille Oct 2018 #28

With the hardcore partisanship, cloture has become nearly equivalent of late! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #36

Obviously not today... and nor should it ever be considered so. hlthe2b Oct 2018 #39

I would say so. Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #57

Even if Collins flips Pence will break the tie underpants Oct 2018 #3

So how's it look bdamomma Oct 2018 #20

no, if murjkowski has voted no, collins would clinch it... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #35

No. If Collins flips that would be 50-50 underpants Oct 2018 #42

uhmm, your math is quite wrng here getagrip_already Oct 2018 #44

Thank you. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #4

Debates will still happen on the floor! rainy Oct 2018 #5

Well said, and yes, most adults really need a brush up course in USGOV-101.nt procon Oct 2018 #6

Agree, Manchin is not the deciding vote. nt Cognitive_Resonance Oct 2018 #7

What about Daines (R) who will be at his daughter's wedding? shraby Oct 2018 #8

If McConnell thinks he can't get to 50 without Daines, the vote won't be held until Sunday. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #11

I heard that he rearranged his flights so he will be available to vote. catbyte Oct 2018 #12

Unless they know for sure that Manchin will vote "yes" BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #14

they are saying Daines will be back even if a Trump family plane gets him. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #38

Cloture or final vote, this is all contrieved Drama for the masses. They wouldn't hold the vote still_one Oct 2018 #15

They held the ACA vote without knowing that McCain would be a 2am thumbs down. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #16

In my view this isn't comparable. This is about a lifetime appointment to further a political still_one Oct 2018 #19

My point is that McConnell wants to hold the vote regardless of if he wins or not scheming daemons Oct 2018 #21

While I agree with your assessment IF they lost the vote they would want to move another nominee still_one Oct 2018 #24

Likewise, a no vote on cloture is not necessarily a no vote on the nomination. WillowTree Oct 2018 #17

No, but it usually is. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #18

I'm thinking Flake will vote No Bayard Oct 2018 #22

If Flake votes no... that means 50 NO votes. Without Manchin. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #23

Correct- Collins vote not an indication of her final vote KatyBR Oct 2018 #25

Thanks for this explanation. There's a lot of hair on fire The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #26

I'm hearing from the hill RedSpartan Oct 2018 #27

Why does the seat of one senator outweigh the future of the SCOTUS in the lives of Americans for.. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #40

The "take one for the team" argument ... Straw Man Oct 2018 #48

tell it to this and several more generations of women. Grasswire2 Oct 2018 #60

Would future generations of women be better served ... Straw Man Oct 2018 #68

With Collins and Flake as yes RedSpartan Oct 2018 #52

Thnak you. I'm one of zentrum Oct 2018 #29

Beyond this, snort Oct 2018 #31

Yes, thank you for the civics lesson recentevents Oct 2018 #32

As per CNN Silver1 Oct 2018 #37

It's better if he's voted in LostinRed Oct 2018 #45

Unless rammed through in December or we don't take the Senate bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #47

I think they see *ANYTHING* they do The Mouth Oct 2018 #64

You need 67 senators to remove a judge after being impeached. scheming daemons Oct 2018 #51

Do you really think he can be impeached? area51 Oct 2018 #54

If it only gets us to 50, Manchin will vote yes bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #46

I bet it's a 50-50 tie in the final and Pence will ride in on a white horse to cast the tie breaker Baclava Oct 2018 #49

You're 100% correct - this happens every time. All that vote does is address the inevitable.... George II Oct 2018 #50

Thank you. I wish more DU'ers had taken civics classes or read a book about how Congress works emulatorloo Oct 2018 #53

Pence does NOT enter into the equation with 99 Senators. Sqee Oct 2018 #55

Daines will be back to vote, they can hold the vote open for him to return Baclava Oct 2018 #58

They told us. All of those except Murkowski have pledged to vote yes. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #65

She has said, as of 3:00 pm on Friday, polmaven Oct 2018 #67