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EffieBlack

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173. We talk about women and men all the timr

Sun Oct 7, 2018, 02:22 PM

Oct 2018

But for some reason, when we try to break it down within the groups - especially by race when there are clear and disnltinct differences I. Views and approaches - suddenly, we're getting all divisive.

When Doug Jones was elected, we were absolutely BOMBARDED with "WOMEN are responsible for the win" articles, reports and commentary. I didn't see "not ALL women/MOST women didn't vote for him/MEN voted for him TOO, you know! " pushback.

But the minute we corrected the record and pointed out that it was BLACK women who were responsible for the victory, whilr most white women voted for Moore, suddenly folks tried to accuse us of being divisive and unfair to white women.

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"Dear white women: Black women can't save you" [View all] EffieBlack Oct 2018 OP

Except, if a black woman is on your ballot greymattermom Oct 2018 #1

I love how this is the very first reply :-) populistdriven Oct 2018 #232

"Do not EVEN TRY to tell me...you don't know any white women who are ok with Kavanaugh..." oberliner Oct 2018 #2

I know plenty Tree-Hugger Oct 2018 #19

As do I. Texin Oct 2018 #52

There are several in my family Politicub Oct 2018 #72

You hit the nail on the head. Snackshack Oct 2018 #230

53% of white zentrum Oct 2018 #77

A majority of white women have voted for the Republican presidential nominee in all but two election CentralMass Oct 2018 #107

I'm still wondering zentrum Oct 2018 #132

The article was about women who vote. CentralMass Oct 2018 #142

I get that. zentrum Oct 2018 #155

Huge factor, many women in business & the private sector corporate world. appalachiablue Oct 2018 #168

Irrelevant Caliman73 Oct 2018 #127

It's not irrelevant. zentrum Oct 2018 #145

This has been tried before, and who was the last Democratic President to get the white vote? JHan Oct 2018 #183

Census data BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #190

Or, Trump may have won bigger. Caliman73 Oct 2018 #236

I do understand what we are dealing with. zentrum Oct 2018 #239

Those 53% are just as misogynistic and racist as their husbands, fathers and brothers. brush Oct 2018 #227

Completely agree. zentrum Oct 2018 #238

Yep. And a small % of white women is a lot of women, so that's a lot of Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2018 #211

Hi, Boo - I love it when you're you! EffieBlack Oct 2018 #92

Thank you - I appreciate that oberliner Oct 2018 #241

Vote enid602 Oct 2018 #178

I spoke to one this morning, I thought she was a friend and walked away nauseated populistdriven Oct 2018 #221

It can be very tough - especially with family members oberliner Oct 2018 #243

Can we distinguish between single white females vs. MARRIED white females. And college-educated kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #222

I'm fine with that EffieBlack Oct 2018 #223

My birth mother is Marrah_Goodman Oct 2018 #229

And some of these white women, at least the GWC58 Oct 2018 #231

OTOH, black women DID save us from Roy Moore. In fact, a lot of the electoral tblue37 Oct 2018 #3

This is EXACTLY UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #4

Healthcare is an issue for A LOT of women and it does need to be... SMC22307 Oct 2018 #39

It's not the same, though... UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #113

Yes, we did. But we're tired of saving their asses EffieBlack Oct 2018 #5

I can't say I blame you, but thank goodness black women show up to the fight every tblue37 Oct 2018 #6

I'm just tired of having to fight for everyone else but when we need support EffieBlack Oct 2018 #13

Just a thought: UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #121

See this- BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #131

You've kinda said what I've said. UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #143

That's surprising to hear EffieBlack Oct 2018 #159

I never said... UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #161

I hear you, but am a little puzzled t at how this discussion EffieBlack Oct 2018 #167

Oh, well... UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #180

I started this thread EffieBlack Oct 2018 #184

Yea, I know... UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #186

My question was rhetorical EffieBlack Oct 2018 #187

Ok,... UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #188

Unsure how you infer referring to the direction a discussion has taken as absurd as YOU being absurd EffieBlack Oct 2018 #191

I gave you a link of the joint Panhellenic Council political activities BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #169

Your last paragraph hit home UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #182

We did actually get a "seat at the table" BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #200

You didn't tell... UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #235

This Emmy-winning video (that I posted before a couple times) is comforting BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #237

Don't forget us Kappas, Qs, Alphas and Sigmas are right behind you. brush Oct 2018 #244

Thank you! EffieBlack Oct 2018 #157

The AKAs and other black sororities and fraternities are VERY politically engaged EffieBlack Oct 2018 #154

I appreciate your suggestion UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #160

I think Effie mentioned WHY the organizations, as registered BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #171

Thank you UncleTomsEvilBrother Oct 2018 #185

Yes I am learning some stuff myself BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #195

FYI - National Action Network NEVER endorses candidates EffieBlack Oct 2018 #196

Their NPO registration won't allow it either! BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #198

Wait one second. Give black men some credit too. We are the second highest... brush Oct 2018 #242

Dearest EffieBlack WhiteTara Oct 2018 #35

Amen to that! Lonestarblue Oct 2018 #27

Good point... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #7

Wish I could K&R this 100 times. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #8

Why? It goes both ways. Blacks are only 13% of the population, Hortensis Oct 2018 #189

Yes. How dare we not show sufficient and heartfelt gratitude to our great white liberal allies EffieBlack Oct 2018 #192

It's about time for the 53% of my white sisters who mcar Oct 2018 #9

k&r ehrnst Oct 2018 #10

We are ALL women. Why are you so hostile to anyone who isn't black? Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #11

"rights fought for white women included black women." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #14

Suffragists were abolitionists who forged alliances with black americans who like them were not boston bean Oct 2018 #18

Apparently, you missed that big chunk of history when black men AND black women EffieBlack Oct 2018 #34

I think you are pissed off at the patriarchy as well as I. boston bean Oct 2018 #41

One thing that would be nice for white women allies to do EffieBlack Oct 2018 #45

Effie we fight against it. We are in it. But what power do you think we have over boston bean Oct 2018 #57

Who is this "we" of which you speak? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #60

Effie, I am with you. I am not against you. But I am a we. boston bean Oct 2018 #61

Please don't ask me what I think you can do and when I tell you EffieBlack Oct 2018 #66

Effie you want me to fight idiots on D in this thread.. I've been doing that for over 10 years. boston bean Oct 2018 #71

But you haven't done it in this actual thread. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #74

I am trying to explain why I don't believe the OP (twitter) post is wrong headed. boston bean Oct 2018 #78

Why are you working so hard to tell EffieBlack *you agree with her* rather than do a little work? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #81

You asked EffieBlack what you could do. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #62

Pretty sure I didn't say that. But a hell of a lot of them are. boston bean Oct 2018 #64

What? In post 57? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #65

Wow, very sorry for saying I and many have the same goals. boston bean Oct 2018 #68

Don't apologize. Just call out the bigoted bullshit that's here ON THIS VERY BOARD. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #70

I have for over ten years. Been pretty damn vocal. boston bean Oct 2018 #73

Keep doing what you're doing. Also talk to other white women about... brush Oct 2018 #246

Marching is easy EffieBlack Oct 2018 #75

I am betrayed by them as well. I am not just some person who can convince people. boston bean Oct 2018 #82

Then why ask me what you can do if you think you're already doing everything you can? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #85

Ok you win. I am just awful. Have a good day. boston bean Oct 2018 #103

Oh, please EffieBlack Oct 2018 #104

I wrote to you thoughtful responses. If you want to attribute to me the power boston bean Oct 2018 #109

Every response you have made in this thread has centered on you and the work you say you do. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #114

It has not. I spoke of the many allies and then got my ass handed to me for doing so. boston bean Oct 2018 #117

Talk to your sisters, cousins, co-workers, fellow church goers about the repug misogynists who... brush Oct 2018 #245

I believe we as white people... OneGrassRoot Oct 2018 #110

Of course we are. But why blame the peolle fighting along with you to eradicate it. boston bean Oct 2018 #112

There is no blame in this OP. None. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #115

"Get your house in order". Seems to be blaming white women for not being able to control others. boston bean Oct 2018 #119

If it's not about you, it's not about you. Talking about how it's not about you makes it about you. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #124

Umm it is about me. I am on your side and that is what the OP was about. boston bean Oct 2018 #128

Its lashing out to find someone to blame after a disappointing loss. LexVegas Oct 2018 #129

I take "Get your house in order" violetpastille Oct 2018 #148

"White Women are the White Men of Women." LexVegas Oct 2018 #152

People do realize this. And anyone fighting these fights boston bean Oct 2018 #153

Just when you think you've done the work of fighting the internal fight violetpastille Oct 2018 #162

+1 to both of your posts in this sub-thread. n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2018 #172

All of this is true. The problem I have is it seems to logically follow for some kcr Oct 2018 #194

I don't think anyone claims that white women don't have problems EffieBlack Oct 2018 #197

No one serious is, for sure. kcr Oct 2018 #199

Hate to do this but BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #44

Thank you JustAnotherGen Oct 2018 #133

Exactly. BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #138

Here we go EffieBlack Oct 2018 #16

Of course melman Oct 2018 #29

Of course EffieBlack Oct 2018 #40

The corollary you practice so consistently seems the only 'proof' you require LanternWaste Oct 2018 #247

Also.... WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #17

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Oct 2018 #28

No some of them are just as virulent racists as the men 47of74 Oct 2018 #21

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #23

Stop spewing bigoted garbage. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #26

The OP is a bigoted post. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #31

"No one needs 'saving.'" WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #42

Dear Black women: White women cannot save you. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #46

This would be a valid argument or post if "black" and "white" had the same level of privilege in WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #49

Thank you. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #48

I'm clipping & saving this and other posts by the OP. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #38

You are seeing things that aren't there from the OP, and projecting fears and issues you have all WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #43

"I'm clipping & saving this and other posts by the OP." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #47

The great thing about this bigotry against Caucasians you consistently claim... LanternWaste Oct 2018 #248

You think "White women fought for our rights when no one else would?" EffieBlack Oct 2018 #22

That would come as a surprise to the whites who died during the civil rights fight. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #24

So, some whites fighting and dying in the Civil Rights movement means EffieBlack Oct 2018 #51

OP's post is divisive NJCher Oct 2018 #37

What exactly is divisive about it? Please be specific. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #59

it divides white women and black women for no reason NJCher Oct 2018 #91

How does the OP divide white women and black women? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #95

Nailed it. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #149

Truth n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2018 #233

The interests of black women and white women are not necessarily the same. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #96

Hello? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #240

Yes the OP's post is divisive, by design, as is so often the case. Chemisse Oct 2018 #141

Could the weren't-always-successful be related to Kind of Blue Oct 2018 #179

* slow clap * n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2018 #234

Read your last sentence over about 10 times nini Oct 2018 #54

Black women have it harder than white women. Period mcar Oct 2018 #83

Absolutely true. Chemisse Oct 2018 #150

I agree with you. metroins Oct 2018 #201

Awhile ago in a similar thread, I pointed out 3 human rights movements led by white women in America Hekate Oct 2018 #208

Maybe you got only crickets because people were being merciful to you EffieBlack Oct 2018 #218

Ooo, "merciful". I've been posting here since 2002, and have not bled to death yet. Hekate Oct 2018 #225

If someone is "alienated" because of what a stranger writes on an anonymous online discussion board EffieBlack Oct 2018 #226

Absolutely true Danascot Oct 2018 #12

You're blaming Democrats because Republicans supported Kavanaugh? Are you a Democrat? Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #15

No one's talking about enemies or parties. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #20

Honeycombe8. Blue_true Oct 2018 #32

EffieBlack does not need that kind of hostility sliding in her DMs. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #58

Or, instead of telling me to shut up and go away because I make you uncomfortable, EffieBlack Oct 2018 #63

Actually Effie. I like your posts. You can put me on ignore, but I won't put you on ignore. Blue_true Oct 2018 #79

I misread and misunderstood your previous post. I apologize. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #87

No problem. But you did make some good points that caused me to expand on. nt Blue_true Oct 2018 #94

I was just on Twitter referencing this thread ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #136

I'm afraid people are so clueless that they can't learn anything until it's a total loss. lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #25

White women who feel betrayed were probably voting for Democrats anyway. SMC22307 Oct 2018 #30

Yes back women have it worse, yes many white women are bigots. But what kind of power do you boston bean Oct 2018 #33

"But what kind of power do you think white women have over white supremacists." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #55

The point of that tweet is that white women can start going at the other white women nini Oct 2018 #98

K&R PunkinPi Oct 2018 #36

Zero wisdom in that tweet BeyondGeography Oct 2018 #50

"Mean-spirited?" Really? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #53

Yes, black women speaking the truth are often seen as "angry" and "condescending." WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #56

Indeed EffieBlack Oct 2018 #67

Yup ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #88

Condescending and so fucking naive. SMC22307 Oct 2018 #97

I'm glad Christine Blasey Ford finally got off her duff and stopped waiting for black women BeyondGeography Oct 2018 #100

Ouch. But, yes, "persuadables ... running for the (Republican) exits." SMC22307 Oct 2018 #105

I think part of the reason these discussions get so difficult is because some people are talking WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #111

The Kavanaugh situation IS about race MountCleaners Oct 2018 #116

most black women believe dr. Ford. most white women support kavanaugh JI7 Oct 2018 #210

The Enemy laughs uproariously as you blindly attack your own allies. PubliusEnigma Oct 2018 #69

Not all of a kind are "our allies". BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #76

Recommended eleny Oct 2018 #80

Great advise Gothmog Oct 2018 #84

This is exactly right ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #86

Adding - I don't think white women JustAnotherGen Oct 2018 #135

Yes ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #140

Funny that you don't mention Tim Scott. 58Sunliner Oct 2018 #89

Actually, I didn't mention ANY individual. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #90

The post is a call to arms to white women MaryMagdaline Oct 2018 #93

Recommend! BeckyDem Oct 2018 #99

What about women that aren't white or black? LexVegas Oct 2018 #101

I think the poster is responding to white women on her timeline ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #102

The place to carry on Twitter beef is on Twitter. LexVegas Oct 2018 #108

Excellent OP. Ironicallhy, the same logical applies to the "drug" problem. It wasn't a problem still_one Oct 2018 #106

Black women and white women have being women in common. MineralMan Oct 2018 #118

That is crucial. I agree. But we do not have the power alone boston bean Oct 2018 #120

+1. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #122

I think you're arguing against things not stated. MineralMan Oct 2018 #123

I don't think so, truly. boston bean Oct 2018 #125

OK. MineralMan Oct 2018 #126

Indeed. In this fight, let us put aside modifiers on "woman" libdem4life Oct 2018 #130

There's more than one battle, though, see... MineralMan Oct 2018 #134

Not referring to the battles...just laid them out in a post libdem4life Oct 2018 #137

Yes. Black women share one set of problems with white women. MineralMan Oct 2018 #139

Not putting "modifiers" makes black women invisible and silent EffieBlack Oct 2018 #174

+100 MineralMan Oct 2018 #215

Dear Ijeoma Oluo LWolf Oct 2018 #144

Dr. Ford came from the same race, class and privilege as Kavanaugh kcr Oct 2018 #146

It afforded her little protection because... MountCleaners Oct 2018 #151

It's more like kcr Oct 2018 #158

She has no chance in hell MountCleaners Oct 2018 #164

Do you think women from other backgrounds accusing men of the same have better luck? kcr Oct 2018 #170

It afforded her more protection that.if she weren't a privileged white woman EffieBlack Oct 2018 #163

People are in the streets because they don't want a justice seated who will overturn Roe kcr Oct 2018 #165

"doubt that we'd have seen as many white men in the streets...protesting if it been a black woman." BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #176

I'm always late to these parties..... Anyway, this is the 100% truth following the election one of Afromania Oct 2018 #147

THIS BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #204

Conservative women are not coming down off of any wall. SMC22307 Oct 2018 #212

All of this! EffieBlack Oct 2018 #219

We must hold on to each other. Empower each other. backtoblue Oct 2018 #156

Every single woman that I have had the pleasure of having in my life..... Socal31 Oct 2018 #166

We talk about women and men all the timr EffieBlack Oct 2018 #173

This is not a hill for me to die on, so I won't wade any deeper than this response. Socal31 Oct 2018 #193

Thank you Effie. Coventina Oct 2018 #175

Effie is one of the brave ones on DU bringing the truth.. HipChick Oct 2018 #203

Black women are the best, most consistent, voting bloc. joshcryer Oct 2018 #177

Case and point EffieBlack Oct 2018 #181

"In" jberryhill Oct 2018 #228

There's a reflexive denial going on when "white people" are mentioned. JHan Oct 2018 #202

Thanks for posting that! BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #205

I think Republican strategists depending on a bump of support after Kavanaugh.. JHan Oct 2018 #209

I think 2016 will go down as a bigger fluke than 2000 BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #214

great analysis +++ JHan Oct 2018 #217

Interesting, there's been discussion right in this thread about what more black people can do EffieBlack Oct 2018 #207

It's predictable. White progressive women are doing their bit in a big way.. JHan Oct 2018 #213

And another thing...One of the ways white progressives can really help ... JHan Oct 2018 #216

K&R for visibility. lunamagica Oct 2018 #206

MARRIED white women. Apparently getting married to a white male turns your brain to mush. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #220

Ima bout as white bread as you get. I know a lot of white GOP married women GusBob Oct 2018 #224