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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
397. Critique
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:17 AM
Aug 2012
(T)he Republic was doomed anyway.

The Republic was of no consequence. In spite of what you may have been told, it was about as democratic as a Tea Partier's vision of America. The Senate was a rich man's club and it membership was largely hereditary. It existed to impose its order on the slaves and plebeians. It was fundamentally tyrannical and elitist. For most Romans, there was little difference in life under the Caesars as under the Republic and the Republic was scant improvement to life under the Tarquins.

My objection to the Roman Empire is not for what it was to Romans compared to the Republic, but for what it was to subjugated peoples in the outer reaches of the Empire. Gallic tribes were better as self-governing entities than as subjects of foreign conquerors. Empires come into and tell the people "we're better than you and can take your natural wealth, kill your men and enslave your women and children." Check out what happened to the Dacians in 117 AD.

Caesar was just . . . (a) slightly less bloodthirsty version of (Pompey) and then Sulla before him.

Tell that the Gauls. Caesar decimated their numbers by wiping out entire villages. After the Gauls surrendered, Caesar had the hand of every tenth Gaul cut off to remind them all just who was in charge. Caesar was a genocidal maniac, no more majestic as Custer or the Nazis.

If he'd died, there would have been someone else. Probably Augustus.

Augustus was another piece of work, but he rode to power on his great uncle's reputation. He wouldn't have amounted to anything had he not been Caesar's grandnephew. He was good at only one thing, really: self-promotion. Come to think of it, that was Julius Caesar's greatest gift, too. Take a look at Augustus' successors: of the five emperors of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, only Claudius was hard working, competent administrator who could let his deeds speak for themselves. Otherwise, following the self-promoter Augustus we have Tiberius, Caligula and Nero. Such luminaries! It may have taken 500 years from Augustus to the formal end of the western Empire in 476 AD, but it has always looked to me as though the Empire was in decline from its inception.

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Vladimir Lenin joshcryer Aug 2012 #16
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That's the point, he was irreplaceable. joshcryer Aug 2012 #88
Why would you obviate the Bolshevik Revolution, and if so, what are you doing here? leveymg Aug 2012 #111
There would have been a revolution... white_wolf Aug 2012 #117
The OP is about *one* figure, I did *not* say get rid of Trotsky or even *Stalin*! joshcryer Aug 2012 #125
No, you didn't. My mistake. white_wolf Aug 2012 #129
Unfortunately, Bogdanoc for all his brilliance, had no revolutionary cred. leveymg Aug 2012 #154
and then the russian side would have lost ww2 to the germans BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #342
I take RZMs position. No civil war = better prepared Soviets. joshcryer Aug 2012 #379
Neuter or equalize is not the same as obviate. joshcryer Aug 2012 #119
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The White movement was never cohesive. joshcryer Aug 2012 #144
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Four strokes after he was shot by a pistol allegedly provided by Reilly and Lockhardt. leveymg Aug 2012 #250
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you're such a good poster BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #344
Yeah, saying someone loves Hitler 2 out of 3 times is charming. joshcryer Aug 2012 #373
It's anti-democratic at its core. joshcryer Aug 2012 #375
Are you arguing that the White Army "civil war", funded and supported by external powers... LooseWilly Aug 2012 #391
Elsewhere you already established you believe totalitarianism was the only way. joshcryer Aug 2012 #393
what does the Bolshevik Revolution have to do with being here, or not?? eom yawnmaster Aug 2012 #233
There's always Free Republic leveymg Aug 2012 #252
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it has everything to do w/ being here to a State Department radical like joshcryer BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #343
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Or one of the other major religions would've become predominant instead Posteritatis Aug 2012 #36
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Adam. --nt CrispyQ Aug 2012 #22
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Ignore dungeon? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #212
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He alerted that? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #264
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Jesus Christ. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #32
On that same note what about Abraham? Ya Basta Aug 2012 #75
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Maybe, maybe not. Xithras Aug 2012 #73
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I think that you should eliminate mass criminals like Hitler to make it more interesting grantcart Aug 2012 #37
Adam CabCurious Aug 2012 #40
Easy. Thomas Edison. Duer 157099 Aug 2012 #43
Tesla RULES!!! liberallibral Aug 2012 #63
I love Tesla too. Free electricity man. Got to love a man for the people. n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #133
Absolutely!!!! liberallibral Aug 2012 #334
Prescott Bush Panasonic Aug 2012 #45
I'm with you. Hitler cali Aug 2012 #46
Agreed Bragi Aug 2012 #200
Well Reagan is an excellent pick. But my pick would be Sarah Quitter Palin. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #48
paul of tarsus ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #49
Another good choice! /nt Bragi Aug 2012 #202
I think we may each have picked him for different reasons. Deep13 Aug 2012 #353
maybe so... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #361
Runny RayGun lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #50
Given the current state of affairs: AYN RAND. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #55
Zedong... Mao Zedong liberallibral Aug 2012 #56
Alexander Hamilton. Vidar Aug 2012 #101
Phyllis Schlafly Freddie Aug 2012 #57
Sometimes I think if Stalin had never been, Hitler wouldn't have attained absolute power Bombtrack Aug 2012 #59
I wouldn't Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #61
It would probably be a different world RZM Aug 2012 #83
Adam bupkus Aug 2012 #74
Lee Harvey Oswald. Kennedy needed to live to complete his vision for America. mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #77
that and he had so many more starlets and hat check girls he wanted to score with. WI_DEM Aug 2012 #97
No, that would be Ronald Reagan. nt mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #288
Genghis Kahn n/t charlyvi Aug 2012 #80
That's an interesting one RZM Aug 2012 #86
What's interesting is, he and his men used to Dash87 Aug 2012 #109
Genghis Khan probably killed more people charlyvi Aug 2012 #172
On that note, maybe it's not a good idea to take out Genghis Khan sadbear Aug 2012 #183
Agreed. Hitler must go. bluerum Aug 2012 #84
That guy that sang Spirochete Aug 2012 #85
Lee Atwater Rosco T. Aug 2012 #90
from the 20th century Hitler bar none WI_DEM Aug 2012 #95
my great great grandmother...because I want to see what happens... yawnmaster Aug 2012 #96
Ever read Heinlein? Xipe Totec Aug 2012 #106
Sounds like the Futurama episode where Fry becomes his own grandfather Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #127
read...no, but I have watched "Back to the Future" many times... yawnmaster Aug 2012 #221
Hitler has to occupy the top spot. As for the runner-up? RZM Aug 2012 #99
Grover Norquist undeterred Aug 2012 #100
Steve Bartman n/t Enrique Aug 2012 #104
That accomplishes nothing. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #116
Then how about that billy goat? sadbear Aug 2012 #118
You kill that goat, they'll find another one Son of Gob Aug 2012 #147
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The first human. Incitatus Aug 2012 #107
Uh, folks Union Scribe Aug 2012 #181
Humans are as much a part of nature as any creature... yawnmaster Aug 2012 #222
(uh, Edison didn't invent the telephone...) lastlib Aug 2012 #115
I hang my head in shame. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #120
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Whoever were pResident cheney's parents. n/t Lil Missy Aug 2012 #121
Damn! I was just going to post that! Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #142
Abraham. That should eliminate the 3 major western religions Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #128
The problem with that is that somebody else would have ended up doing the same thing RZM Aug 2012 #155
why assume that? seanpencil Aug 2012 #179
+1. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #227
Monotheism already existed. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #234
Do you know I'd have to have the US lose the Revolution? To stop slavery in the US. vaberella Aug 2012 #132
Stop and think about that for a sec RZM Aug 2012 #166
Actually I think it would have. vaberella Aug 2012 #187
Uhhh, what? RZM Aug 2012 #214
Is this a koan? McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #136
When you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha. MichaelSoE Aug 2012 #286
dane cook nt arely staircase Aug 2012 #138
M. Night Shyamalan. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #141
Katherine Harris mainstreetonce Aug 2012 #143
Ayn Rand Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #146
Edward Bernais tech3149 Aug 2012 #148
Ooh, excellent choice. eom. Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #150
Good choice too! Bragi Aug 2012 #204
At least Top 100. leveymg Aug 2012 #219
und his Uncle Sigmund? seanpencil Aug 2012 #229
Prescott Bush, a twofer choice. RC Aug 2012 #151
Stalin crimson77 Aug 2012 #156
Nixon. patrice Aug 2012 #161
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DU welcomes genetic diversity! Kill the volcano!! leveymg Aug 2012 #174
McCamy Taylor - Wins the thread! GoneOffShore Aug 2012 #176
Definitely Hitler ailsagirl Aug 2012 #165
As much damage Reagan policies have done, I agree Hitler would me choice for elimination. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #169
Abraham seanpencil Aug 2012 #175
How original. nt Union Scribe Aug 2012 #178
how obnoxious seanpencil Aug 2012 #180
I'd call it that, too. nt Union Scribe Aug 2012 #184
point it somewhere else seanpencil Aug 2012 #193
I chose not to. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #309
i don't. seanpencil Aug 2012 #325
Christopher Columbus! I blame him for everything. vaberella Aug 2012 #188
God. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #191
Either James Earl Ray or Justin Bieber limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #194
Tough choice, indeed. sadbear Aug 2012 #195
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Right now mythology Aug 2012 #196
No one Ter Aug 2012 #199
Why are you exempting religious figures?? Taking out Muhammed for example riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #203
They're not exempt. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #220
Why not cut out the middle-man and kill Abraham (assuming he ever lived) white_wolf Aug 2012 #249
I prefer to call them "what-ifs". What if Lincoln had not been fatally shot... madinmaryland Aug 2012 #207
I'm a big fan of alternate history. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #224
Harry Turtledove has written quite a few "what-if" novels. Pretty interesting. madinmaryland Aug 2012 #232
Great thread Grave Grumbler!, Thanks Bragi Aug 2012 #209
Thanks! Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #228
My boss B Calm Aug 2012 #218
LOLOLOL!! ailsagirl Aug 2012 #242
I wouldn't change anything major about the past pre-birth of myself... Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #223
My ex wife. Horrible woman. mysuzuki2 Aug 2012 #230
LOL!! ailsagirl Aug 2012 #243
Hitler. emilyg Aug 2012 #235
Rush Limbaugh MatthewStLouis Aug 2012 #237
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Aug 2012 #240
Pol Pot Skittles Aug 2012 #241
Whoever set fire to the Library at Alexandria PADemD Aug 2012 #245
Hitler!!! Beacool Aug 2012 #246
Do yourself a favour and STOP reading that rag... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #302
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Really? I just visit it to see d-list celebs in bikinis... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #407
You're just like all guys. Beacool Aug 2012 #408
Paul of Tarsis nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #251
Awesome choice. May have won the thread, I think. - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #258
but but but... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #287
You are correct (on both counts). I saw your post after I had coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #298
I just need to whine louder ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #300
I didn't notice. Sorry. Deep13 Aug 2012 #352
eh...I am just being an internet bully ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #360
My choice, too Ezlivin Aug 2012 #326
Hitler. Pew pew with my gun. nt cecilfirefox Aug 2012 #255
John Wilkes Booth MrScorpio Aug 2012 #256
I'd like to go out on a limb and say the Austro Hungarian Archduke Ferdinand. Without his coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #257
I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench in the works. Cool topic, but, going on the idea Justice wanted Aug 2012 #263
How about Paul the Apostle? krispos42 Aug 2012 #266
phyllis schlafly niyad Aug 2012 #269
I don't get this at all. She's a minor player on the stage. cali Aug 2012 #284
See post #57 - and she made would make my top 10 of most hated. nt TBF Aug 2012 #293
not at all. that woman has caused incredible harm with her anti-equality, pro-war rhetoric. she niyad Aug 2012 #297
exactly. why choose her, when there are those who have caused tens of millions of deaths and massive cali Aug 2012 #304
apparently my choice does not meet with your approval, but it stands. niyad Aug 2012 #362
If there was ever evil in this modern world it was this pile of shit Sheepshank Aug 2012 #308
there is so much that woman has said that is beyond disgusting, including a comment that anyone niyad Aug 2012 #363
Jonathan Edwards.... PopeOxycontinI Aug 2012 #285
Hitler too. LeftishBrit Aug 2012 #289
Jesus, Mohammed, and Moses scheming daemons Aug 2012 #292
Mitchell Palmer, J. Edgar Hoover & McCarthy - TBF Aug 2012 #294
If Sen. Thomas Walsh had lived, J. Edgar would've been out of a job in 1933 RufusTFirefly Aug 2012 #328
I think William Green was a bigger one, imo. joshcryer Aug 2012 #380
Thats easy Missycim Aug 2012 #295
In terms of human suffering rather than hifiguy Aug 2012 #315
I cant agree Missycim Aug 2012 #316
Read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" hifiguy Aug 2012 #318
Ok fair enough Missycim Aug 2012 #323
Hitler, no question about it... MicaelS Aug 2012 #305
I'd go back Shadowflash Aug 2012 #310
James Earl Ray. nt Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #314
Thomas Midgley dmallind Aug 2012 #320
Definitely Hitler, for me. polly7 Aug 2012 #322
I think I would take out Joe McCarthy hyphenate Aug 2012 #332
Will no one think of Brian Secrest????!!!! Javaman Aug 2012 #339
I'll go with ... THE NEXT GOP PRESIDENT. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #340
either Christopher Columbus BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #341
Wait, what? Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #345
nobody can even agree on a number BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #346
The number is in the millions. joshcryer Aug 2012 #382
That's one of the dumbest things I've seen here in, well, hours. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #364
I'm sure Trotskyists would want rid of Stalin, as would anarchists and Left Communists. white_wolf Aug 2012 #367
in answer to your first question : probably. that or liberals in denial BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #371
Here we go again ... nt TBF Aug 2012 #404
Hey, I left Stalin alone. joshcryer Aug 2012 #381
Gandhi? Why? LeftishBrit Aug 2012 #401
Andrew Jackson ieoeja Aug 2012 #348
... whoever invented Right Wing Republicans. Myrina Aug 2012 #349
The person who invented the leaf blower FSogol Aug 2012 #350
Saul of Tarsus (a/k/a St. Paul) Proud Public Servant Aug 2012 #354
Yep and some of those teachings were opposed by the other Apostles. white_wolf Aug 2012 #370
Hitler. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #358
Karl Marx Marinedem Aug 2012 #369
I guess you should give up your military health care then. Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #383
LOL, nope. Marinedem Aug 2012 #388
Yeah, die in the gutter. LOL. Starry Messenger Aug 2012 #403
So give up your medicare, and social security since they are socialist. white_wolf Aug 2012 #387
Considering Marinedem Aug 2012 #390
George Reisman would be my choice if we are looking at economic theorists - TBF Aug 2012 #405
Stalin Zorra Aug 2012 #372
The guy who invented the blister packaging. alfredo Aug 2012 #376
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #377
Ronald Reagan gopiscrap Aug 2012 #386
Julius Caesar Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #389
I thought about Caesar wickerwoman Aug 2012 #395
Critique Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #397
Actually we agree. wickerwoman Aug 2012 #411
Either Arthur Laffer or William Simon jmowreader Aug 2012 #392
Friedrich Hayek wickerwoman Aug 2012 #394
For the US, Harry Truman. For the world, German Eduard Bernstein. David__77 Aug 2012 #396
the one on the left CreekDog Aug 2012 #398
Guy Fawkes NoPasaran Aug 2012 #400
Don Simpson JustAnotherGen Aug 2012 #402
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