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In reply to the discussion: If you could eliminate one person from history...who would it be? [View all]ieoeja
(9,748 posts)409. I'm okay with your overall point (that we would have ended up a better place to live). However...
The colonies were never under serious threat from the French. The Brits wanted Canada, not the other way around. And taxes had very little to do with the American Revolution.
King George III's ministers felt the colonists were too independant. So they decided to crack the whip. Ironically, odds are the American Revolution would never have happened had the Court not taken steps to prevent it occuring!
Four words : Black Hole of Calcutta. Yes, that was in India and occurred after the American Revolution. But it was on the immediate heels thereof under pretty much the same sort of management. This, not taxes, was the sort of things that led to the American Revolution.
British Army : sent to control the colonists, not protect them. Disbanded colonial rangers so colonies had no advance warning of Pontiac's Rebellion. Took over negotiations after colonial militas, not the British Army, put down the uprising. Result : thousand of colonists dead. British Army handed over children of raped colonists, generally viewed by colonists as the "silver-lining" in that tragedy, to the Indians to raise instead of allowing their mothers to keep them as had been done by the colonies in the past.
Stamp Act : no document in the colonies is legal unless using the same stamped paper required in Great Britain. Sort of like a notary public today. Perfectly reasonable and not that costly. Except that the paper was manufactured by a single company licensed to do so, and the law went into affect long before that company could double output and setup a worldwide distribution system. The Court could have simply put the law on hold, but they wanted to crack that whip. Result : economic and social chaos. No contracts were valid. Little Johnny couldn't marry Little Susie whom he HAD to marry, so Little Susie became a pariah for having a child out of wedlock.
White Pines Act : all white pine trees reserved for the use of the British Navy as masts. This was an old law which fell into disuse once the Brits realized how massive North America was. But they wanted to crack that whip. So they started enforcing it. No new fields could be cleared, etc. And most pines were unsuitable for masts. But the Brits refused to make exceptions.
Sugar Act : Brits wanted to help their sugar growers by prohibiting the importation of French sugar and allowing the sugar growers to produce rum. French wanted to help their domestic distillation industry by prohibiting the manufacture of rum in French colonies. Result : French colonies had a glut of cheap sugar while the British colonies had no excess sugar as it was mostly being used for run. Companies in north American that required molasses were going out of business as none was to be found. But the Brits wanted to crack that whip.
Supreme Justice : a new position created after the French and Indian War and given power over colonial justice systems. Located in New Foundland far from the population centers. The Justice made attempts to shut down public education in New England because, ""they were failing our children and private institutions could do it better." Decades after everyone was dead and gone, private correspondance would become public showing that the Justice and the King's Court believed just the opposite. The schools were working too good. The people were no longer willing to listen to their "betters".
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If you could eliminate one person from history...who would it be? [View all]
Grave Grumbler
Aug 2012
OP
Before he was president, he was gov of Calif and he wrecked my home state.
SammyWinstonJack
Aug 2012
#159
I chose Ronald Reagan; the beginning of the end of the United States of America.
northoftheborder
Aug 2012
#217
For Reagan, I'd work on getting the Communist Party to not reject his attempt to join
JHB
Aug 2012
#324
So you've never read a book by any historian who holds the people of that era in Germany
treestar
Aug 2012
#357
It was Hitler. He was quite an orator and all he needed was a scapegoat and he had one.
demosincebirth
Aug 2012
#110
I'd go with Stalin, I don't think anyone ever lived who was responsible for more death
1-Old-Man
Aug 2012
#68
Why would you obviate the Bolshevik Revolution, and if so, what are you doing here?
leveymg
Aug 2012
#111
The OP is about *one* figure, I did *not* say get rid of Trotsky or even *Stalin*!
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#125
What in the world makes you think any of the other movements would have survived the White counter-
leveymg
Aug 2012
#130
That's what Sidney Riley, Boris Brasol, and Major Van Dieman all thought about Lenin
leveymg
Aug 2012
#208
Four strokes after he was shot by a pistol allegedly provided by Reilly and Lockhardt.
leveymg
Aug 2012
#250
Like the rest of the western role in the Civil War, it virtually assured that a Thermidor and
leveymg
Aug 2012
#259
What is the basis for your assertion that Lenin would've instituted authoritarianism without ...
LooseWilly
Aug 2012
#272
There's a difference between "getting rid of" and "eliminating from history."
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#238
You don't think "outside meddling changed the overall sinister nature of Marxist-Leninism{sic}"?...
LooseWilly
Aug 2012
#270
Are you arguing that the White Army "civil war", funded and supported by external powers...
LooseWilly
Aug 2012
#391
Elsewhere you already established you believe totalitarianism was the only way.
joshcryer
Aug 2012
#393
what does the Bolshevik Revolution have to do with being here, or not?? eom
yawnmaster
Aug 2012
#233
it has everything to do w/ being here to a State Department radical like joshcryer
BOG PERSON
Aug 2012
#343
Why are Germans "out of the picture" after 1918?... When Germany launched a new invasion in 1918?
LooseWilly
Aug 2012
#276
Considering the neo-militancy imbued into Jesus-ism in so many Evangelical circles...
LooseWilly
Aug 2012
#279
Fall of the Roman Empire 476 AD. Mohammad visited by the angel Gabriel 612 AD
demosincebirth
Aug 2012
#231
Modern version: high-altitude nuclear bursts would wipeout most electronics & data in the world
leveymg
Aug 2012
#329
I don't recall saying anything about neo-pagans or anything that would imply I was thinking about..
Kalidurga
Aug 2012
#356
Well my theory is that if we lost the revolution eventually we'd have become our own country anyway.
craigmatic
Aug 2012
#38
the British wanted to restrict westward expansion and honoring native American territorial rights
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2012
#65
We're liberals we're not supposed to just accept myths at face value. We're supposed to question and
craigmatic
Aug 2012
#366
I don't think he's that great. He owned slaves and fought a guerilla war over taxes which should
craigmatic
Aug 2012
#365
I'm okay with your overall point (that we would have ended up a better place to live). However...
ieoeja
Aug 2012
#409
All the different acts were mercantilism it was the accepted economic theory of the day.
craigmatic
Aug 2012
#410
Just one of many myths about the creation of the world and its inhabitants
LiberalEsto
Aug 2012
#317
Arguably the most important person in 20th century history. The world would be a different place.
Xithras
Aug 2012
#67
If you know about Princip, you should know the Russian Okhrana agent who ran Apis, head of
leveymg
Aug 2012
#244
Or maybe they thought it too far away (and therefore not defensible and not easy to supply)...
MattSh
Aug 2012
#268
It would seem that my dislike of him pisses you off. So are you calling me a Douchebag?
L0oniX
Aug 2012
#190
This post was alerted on. The jury is still out! Update! Let it stand by a vote of 5/1.
ohiosmith
Aug 2012
#225
Bingo! And, yes, the religious nuts would have just substituted Brian for Jesus.
stopbush
Aug 2012
#267
I'd take out Gavrilo Princip and give the 20th/21st centuries a do-over. (nt)
Posteritatis
Aug 2012
#33
I think that you should eliminate mass criminals like Hitler to make it more interesting
grantcart
Aug 2012
#37
I love Tesla too. Free electricity man. Got to love a man for the people. n/t
vaberella
Aug 2012
#133
Well Reagan is an excellent pick. But my pick would be Sarah Quitter Palin.
southernyankeebelle
Aug 2012
#48
Sometimes I think if Stalin had never been, Hitler wouldn't have attained absolute power
Bombtrack
Aug 2012
#59
that and he had so many more starlets and hat check girls he wanted to score with.
WI_DEM
Aug 2012
#97
Now, now. (But if we could just *somehow* kept him home that night... )
Gidney N Cloyd
Aug 2012
#124
The problem with that is that somebody else would have ended up doing the same thing
RZM
Aug 2012
#155
Do you know I'd have to have the US lose the Revolution? To stop slavery in the US.
vaberella
Aug 2012
#132
Now, using words rather than a visual, why this question is all wrong for DU.
McCamy Taylor
Aug 2012
#164
As much damage Reagan policies have done, I agree Hitler would me choice for elimination.
liberal N proud
Aug 2012
#169
Why are you exempting religious figures?? Taking out Muhammed for example
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#203
I prefer to call them "what-ifs". What if Lincoln had not been fatally shot...
madinmaryland
Aug 2012
#207
Harry Turtledove has written quite a few "what-if" novels. Pretty interesting.
madinmaryland
Aug 2012
#232
I wouldn't change anything major about the past pre-birth of myself...
Comrade_McKenzie
Aug 2012
#223
I'd like to go out on a limb and say the Austro Hungarian Archduke Ferdinand. Without his
coalition_unwilling
Aug 2012
#257
I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench in the works. Cool topic, but, going on the idea
Justice wanted
Aug 2012
#263
not at all. that woman has caused incredible harm with her anti-equality, pro-war rhetoric. she
niyad
Aug 2012
#297
exactly. why choose her, when there are those who have caused tens of millions of deaths and massive
cali
Aug 2012
#304
there is so much that woman has said that is beyond disgusting, including a comment that anyone
niyad
Aug 2012
#363
If Sen. Thomas Walsh had lived, J. Edgar would've been out of a job in 1933
RufusTFirefly
Aug 2012
#328
I'm sure Trotskyists would want rid of Stalin, as would anarchists and Left Communists.
white_wolf
Aug 2012
#367