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gollygee

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Wed Aug 15, 2012, 08:02 PM Aug 2012

Rape culture, airplanes, and unaccompanied minors [View all]

I am concerned that, when considering why women might be uncomfortable with lone children sitting next to men, people immediately think "sexism" instead of "rape culture." One of the posters in the thread said something about this being part of rape culture, and no one seems to be getting that. Or maybe people are just dismissing it.

(I think the situation was handled very poorly by the airline. I question how much safer kids are with this rule, and I think if they do feel they need to make this rule, they need to handle it in a way where they aren't publicly calling out men.)

BUT the underlying issue is that women are taught to distrust men because we are potential rape victims. Women are taught this because a lot of women get raped, and we all know people who were raped. Men are also raped, but men are usually raped by other men, so we still end up being taught that men are potential rapists. We are further taught that if we don't demonstratively distrust men and don't treat them as potential rapists, and we DO get raped, we will be blamed for the rape. Given that, you can't be too surprised if women distrust men they don't know. Obviously, not all men are rapists, however we can't tell by looking at them who are and who aren't. If we assume we can trust a man and then get raped, we'll be told it isn't really rape, is just "gray rape" and not that big of a deal or we are partly to blame, we were asking for it, we were teasing, we consented at some earlier point, or something along those lines.

It can't be too surprising, given what we've been taught, that women would also distrust men they don't know around children.

I agree that it's a sad statement about society when women distrust men to this level, but I don't agree it's a case of women being sexist. Instead I see it as a case of women being raised in a rape culture.

I know not everyone will agree that a rape culture exists, but please read this before arguing that: http://www.shakesville.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html

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great post! kicked and recommended n/t zazen Aug 2012 #1
Men are also much more likely to molest children. pnwmom Aug 2012 #2
another point that i feel is relevant. we are in a society where men themselves promote that their seabeyond Aug 2012 #3
No ones Fault ,but it is one of the many problems orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #4
I would say that collective blame is a bad idea. malthaussen Aug 2012 #5
+1 orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #6
It's not collective blame. It's collective caution. pnwmom Aug 2012 #41
Under that paradigm Nevernose Aug 2012 #45
I take it you're ok with NYPD's stop and frisk SpartanDem Aug 2012 #47
Statistically speaking, there is an average of at least one child molester on every full jetliner. pnwmom Aug 2012 #7
I can understand why they feel they need to do it gollygee Aug 2012 #8
It wasn't handled well. But it confirms what I've always thought. pnwmom Aug 2012 #10
On the other hand a child is statistically much more likely to be molested by a family member.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #12
It sounded like it was a specific lawsuit that led to this policy gollygee Aug 2012 #13
That is an insane policy that benefits neither the parents nor the passengers pnwmom Aug 2012 #37
Southwest Airline sued after woman hounded teen for sex Prometheus Bound Aug 2012 #24
It will be interesting to see the outcome of that. It doesn't take away from the fact, however, pnwmom Aug 2012 #38
wow....wait soooo because some men rape children..ALL men are potential rapists???? DFab420 Aug 2012 #9
Potentially, yes. And we (human beings) are all potential thieves, and potential killers. pnwmom Aug 2012 #11
And statistically speaking family members are far more likely to molest children than strangers.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #14
Therefore men must never be allowed to sit near a child? Would you like us to chemically castrate DFab420 Aug 2012 #15
Nope. Just don't complain about the trivial inconvenience of changing one aisle seat pnwmom Aug 2012 #39
haha of course.... how dare I complain about the trivial inconvenience of being treated like DFab420 Aug 2012 #44
I predict this thread will not end well Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #16
Because it calls all men rapists? Or because it only implies we are all child-molestors? DFab420 Aug 2012 #17
Something tells me you might not have read the whole original post gollygee Aug 2012 #18
I think he read the whole post Dokkie Aug 2012 #20
Oh, well I was confused gollygee Aug 2012 #21
All men are potential rapist Dokkie Aug 2012 #28
OK cut/paste here: "so we still end up being taught that men are potential rapists" gollygee Aug 2012 #29
It does not do what you are saying. Robb Aug 2012 #23
Just replace child with white Dokkie Aug 2012 #19
because of this mindset, when I'm out walking my dog, I'm very reluctant to interact at all KG Aug 2012 #22
" it's a goddam shame." yes. in so many ways. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #25
I agree it's a shame gollygee Aug 2012 #26
Correction: LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #27
Also, I think people WANT to be in denial about the problem of acquaintance rape... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #35
Well said n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #36
I wonder if this is why most elementary school teachers are still women... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #30
It could be in part gollygee Aug 2012 #32
I find this thread to be very sexist AND demeaning. 99Forever Aug 2012 #31
I hear that. unreadierLizard Aug 2012 #34
Androphobia: The only respectable bigotry Fozzledick Aug 2012 #33
+1000 Dokkie Aug 2012 #40
why do mothers abandon their kids on commercial jets in the first place? nt msongs Aug 2012 #42
Or let them go out of doors? Mister Ed Aug 2012 #43
Not enough money, not enough time Prometheus Bound Aug 2012 #46
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