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151. Like he crippled Hillary before the 2016 General?

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:50 PM

Nov 2018

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He attacked her from the left flank, which required her to move left before the primaries. This alienated her from more moderate voters who otherwise would have supported her in the General. Then he didn’t get behind Hillary fast enough or support her strongly enough. Some number of his supporters didn’t vote for her in the General, which ultimately cost us to lose the Presidency.

If the party were smart, it would do its best to avoid another bloody primary.

If Bernie is the nominee, we likely will have Trump for another 4 years. Bernie could carry the northeast blue states and CA, but the chances of a self-declared “socialist democrat” winning in the south or mountain states is slim.

I loved Bernie when he was my mayor 30 years ago. But I can’t forgive him for 2016 and he now needs to go away. There is no way I would ever vote for him in a primary, and if he is the nominee, God save us all.

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No problem he won't be the nominee of the Democratic party in 2020. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #1

Whatever that means. realmirage Nov 2018 #2

What is means is, he had his chance and it cost us dearly as a party. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #11

Again, this isn't about your feelings. It's about us winning in 2020, whoever the nominee is. realmirage Nov 2018 #17

We won't win with Bernie, I'll hold my nose and vote for him if we make that mistake again. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #23

It's people's feelings that are making them realmirage Nov 2018 #37

Oh please, I'm done. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #38

sanders was not vetted in 2016 because the press did not consider him to be a real candidate Gothmog Nov 2018 #143

The right wing swiftboating machine had several "scandals" Hortensis Nov 2018 #188

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Nov 2018 #238

You seem very focused on winning. brer cat Nov 2018 #159

+1000 sheshe2 Nov 2018 #180

Great post Gothmog Nov 2018 #182

Maybe it's something Maher's been pushing. Lots Hortensis Nov 2018 #196

Thank You, brer! Such a "winning strategy" Cha Nov 2018 #214

This! mcar Nov 2018 #243

Actually it's BS who's the source.. Now with his Cha Nov 2018 #211

You do know how the nominee gets to be the nominee, right? Demit Nov 2018 #77

tell that to all the people trying to tear him down realmirage Nov 2018 #133

Like he crippled Hillary before the 2016 General? djg21 Nov 2018 #151

There are a large number of Democrats who have long memories Gothmog Nov 2018 #183

I'm getting a little tired discusing Sanders on DU. He is not a democrat, never was. demosincebirth Nov 2018 #161

I'm telling you. Demit Nov 2018 #171

When BS needs to be called out on what Cha Nov 2018 #221

BS is responsible for his own words.. Cha Nov 2018 #234

The Democratic party leftynyc Nov 2018 #87

It isn't about yours.. We will have a Winning Cha Nov 2018 #210

If its not about feelings & emotions we don't need those charismatic delisen Nov 2018 #259

He probably would have drawn more exboyfil Nov 2018 #24

The DNC has changed its rules violetpastille Nov 2018 #15

What if a candidate hides houses under his wife's name? nt Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #119

That will come out Hekate Nov 2018 #253

How much a wife gets paid in a campaign should come out. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #264

Thanks for the link/info... Deuce Nov 2018 #154

He won't release his tax returns. NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #191

These new rules were the quid pro quo for changing the super delegate rules Gothmog Nov 2018 #201

it means he's not going to win qazplm135 Nov 2018 #126

It means that many Democrats have long memories Gothmog Nov 2018 #135

It means demcrats are confident he won't win the primary. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #149

It means that bernie is NOT a democrat! Tom Perez and the DNC have already passed bylaws that Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #195

Let me explain. It means that Cha Nov 2018 #209

Bernie and Hilary had their shot, now it's time for Joe Biden. dubyadiprecession Nov 2018 #239

YOU are right!! bluestarone Nov 2018 #6

But we will still have angry pro Sanders threads every day like this one grantcart Nov 2018 #7

Notice that most of these are newbies. Bernie is used to divide us. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #12

Angry that I want us to win? Fuck yes, that's because I want the Democrats to win. realmirage Nov 2018 #21

Ya. We ALL want to win. Bernie Sanders doesn't even fit the Dem Party qualifiers. Bfd Nov 2018 #44

I'm in your parade! demosincebirth Nov 2018 #160

Sen. Sanders would will not win a Democratic primary in 20 so no need for these sort of posts. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #48

amen samnsara Nov 2018 #231

And the reason that you won't vote for a Republican that won't release his taxes but grantcart Nov 2018 #107

Then promote a Democrat, not an Independent Hekate Nov 2018 #254

You are spot on. Tipperary Nov 2018 #19

Let's not forget... FarPoint Nov 2018 #35

Agreed. There are too many actual Ds that are far better choices than him for 2020. stopbush Nov 2018 #186

He's not the best candidate Demwolv Nov 2018 #3

BS is not a Democrat. we can do it Nov 2018 #4

But if he wins out party nomination, everyone of us must support him in the General. Blue_true Nov 2018 #39

He won't win...of course I would vote for him but it would useless as I doubt he could win a general Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #131

If he wins the Democratic nomination, I will send him the maximum contribution possible and.... George II Nov 2018 #146

Agreed. Sanders is 1000 times better than the best Republican. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #192

I hear you. I voted for him in the last primaries, and would gladly do so again. sandensea Nov 2018 #5

I voted for him in 16 (primary) and would not do so in 20 (primary) particularly after the comments Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #138

I would support Joe if he ran Gothmog Nov 2018 #147

+1 sandensea Nov 2018 #158

I saved my Joe sign from the National Convention Gothmog Nov 2018 #187

So would I. Enthusiastically. nt COLGATE4 Nov 2018 #207

I expect him to lose. sfwriter Nov 2018 #8

We have a better & brighter & more future thinking group than him in our Democratic Party Bfd Nov 2018 #25

If he wins, I'll support him. sfwriter Nov 2018 #64

Re-read my post. Party Rules make him invalid to run on the Dem Ticket. Bfd Nov 2018 #81

Did they change the rules since he ran last? What exactly is the rule you refer to? sfwriter Nov 2018 #91

See comment #15, DNC changed the rules. betsuni Nov 2018 #175

I will keep my dog out of this fight for now. It ain't gonna be pretty. rzemanfl Nov 2018 #9

Why not wait until pigs can fly, Hell freezes over, and Bernie is the actual nominee... SidDithers Nov 2018 #10

I too prefer a "Democrat". We have a Party full of bright, capable, loyal Dems ready to campaign Bfd Nov 2018 #13

Real Dems Me. Nov 2018 #31

Yup. There are some excellent Democrats who are ready to unite & restore dignity & fairness. Bfd Nov 2018 #49

The TOS for DU is to support the Democratic nominee LeftInTX Nov 2018 #14

I don't think the issue is with people who will support him if he gets the nomination. Aristus Nov 2018 #16

Hammer, meet nail. KitSileya Nov 2018 #73

Most insightful post I have read in a week. GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #220

+1 betsuni Nov 2018 #233

It would help Trump katmondoo Nov 2018 #18

Question to you OP awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #20

Only a fucking moron votes for the green party in presidential elections. realmirage Nov 2018 #22

Who Made You Hall Monitor? Me. Nov 2018 #26

The OP is right. If Bernie wins the nomination, we support him or leave DU. Blue_true Nov 2018 #46

And if he runs as an independent.. revmclaren Nov 2018 #116

That is reasonable. Blue_true Nov 2018 #153

Like the anti-Hillary folks did? nini Nov 2018 #193

Maybe not like they did with the new site. Blue_true Nov 2018 #200

Not Quite Me. Nov 2018 #237

OK, sure. But the same goes for a centrist, "blue dog"-style Democrat also, right? jpljr77 Nov 2018 #27

Lol. Should I clear out if I'm unwilling to support Hortensis Nov 2018 #28

I bash anyone who bashes Democrats nini Nov 2018 #29

I will support any Democrat and I am not concerned Sanders will be the person I vote for. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #30

But I thought that's what primaries are for. namahage Nov 2018 #32

I will support the democratic nominee. Lunabell Nov 2018 #33

"So tired of seeing people bash possible 2020 nominees." So we should play nice with trump? George II Nov 2018 #34

I absolutely WON'T vote for him in the primary. Blue_true Nov 2018 #36

Indeed. I will gladly vote Bernie is the general. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #127

The reality is because of 2016 neither Sanders or Hillary will be the nominee. right or wrong they still_one Nov 2018 #40

He's not gonna get the nomination. Take that to the bank. DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #41

If he becomes the dem nominee, you will support him or you are with trump realmirage Nov 2018 #65

I will ALWAYS vote for the Democrat on the POTUS ballot. DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #122

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #129

You just got put on Full Ignore. DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #132

But it's okay when Bernie does it, right? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #137

That's Not gonna happen. Cha Nov 2018 #224

Not gonna happen. Cha Nov 2018 #226

I'll always vote for the Dem wryter2000 Nov 2018 #42

Bernie fgeorge468 Nov 2018 #43

exactly. it's not about people's 'feelings' realmirage Nov 2018 #66

Including yours. Cha Nov 2018 #223

... Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #45

Is this real life? Bfd Nov 2018 #61

Lol!!! Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #106

We Have a Winner!! Bfd Nov 2018 #62

it's a response to all the threads tearing down a potential 2020 nominee realmirage Nov 2018 #67

Ya , a Democrat on the Democratic ticket will be the Democratic nominee. Bfd Nov 2018 #88

Ok... Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #103

my name is I Want To Fucking Win This Time realmirage Nov 2018 #136

... Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #167

Lol! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #228

Rofl...now that you mention it Bfd Nov 2018 #148

That's also true Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #164

FOX Newz? No..Raccoon Newz!! Bfd Nov 2018 #168

Lmao Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #173

Omg..haaahaaa! Bfd Nov 2018 #176

Lol. You aren't going to make it through the upcoming lengthy primary season then. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #121

No, we support Democrats. realmirage Nov 2018 #140

Yes we do. Until Bernie becomes one, don't think I'm gonna play your game. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #141

let me know when he joins the democratic party (again) qazplm135 Nov 2018 #139

Facts: LovingA2andMI Nov 2018 #260

No tax returns? No Chance! MrGrieves Nov 2018 #47

but if he gets the dem nomination you will support him or you are with trump realmirage Nov 2018 #70

He caucuses with us... Ally? I'm not sold. MrGrieves Nov 2018 #83

So you want a repeat of 2016? GREAT STRATEGY realmirage Nov 2018 #89

MeToo. I prefer Democrats. Unlike his, my loyalty, support, & pride is the Democratic Party Bfd Nov 2018 #101

So while you tear down our allies, the Republicans are united realmirage Nov 2018 #142

Oh my my! Re-read my post. I support Democrats. Bfd Nov 2018 #145

Your Op and all your posts talk about allies being torn down. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #244

I support Democrats Small-Axe Nov 2018 #50

that's the spirit : ) realmirage Nov 2018 #71

BETTER BELIEVE IT! MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #51

+1 n/t tammywammy Nov 2018 #162

Kind of has that air about it, doesn't it? Hekate Nov 2018 #262

I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. I hope it will be Tom Steyer. StevieM Nov 2018 #52

Lulz. Make me. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #53

Can't Make Me. I'm voting for the loyal Democrat who proudly wears the Party Name Bfd Nov 2018 #69

Bernie cost Democrats the presidency in 2016. chillfactor Nov 2018 #54

Enough about your feelings about what you think happened 2 years ago. realmirage Nov 2018 #72

Yes it is about WINNING! chillfactor Nov 2018 #114

Anyone who does not support the eventual democratic nominee is foolish. 33taw Nov 2018 #55

Constructively, fine. But the way a lot of people talk about him here? realmirage Nov 2018 #75

Agreed! Tiggeroshii Nov 2018 #56

No nt Quayblue Nov 2018 #57

No you won't support the Dem nominee if it's Sanders? Then this isn't the place for you realmirage Nov 2018 #76

He's not going to be the nominee Quayblue Nov 2018 #79

Get a grip.. telling people "..this isn't the place for you" Cha Nov 2018 #230

I am with you Cha! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #247

Who are you to decide who gets to stay here and who doesn't? mcar Nov 2018 #245

;) sheshe2 Nov 2018 #248

I will vote for whomever is the nominee for the Democratic party. shraby Nov 2018 #58

Do you really think starting up the Bernie wars is helpful? Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #59

Uh, it's plain that I'm trying to get people to stop bashing an ally realmirage Nov 2018 #78

Then why bother with the pretense that Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #172

Perhaps you first need to convince people is is actually an Ally. GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #222

Starting up? melman Nov 2018 #166

I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #169

Depends on what one considers "an ally". Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #60

Ummm pretty sure that's in DU's TOS JCMach1 Nov 2018 #63

Some people here need a reminder realmirage Nov 2018 #80

Haha quickesst Nov 2018 #68

haha Sanders ran as a democrat and the OP states realmirage Nov 2018 #84

Hahaha quickesst Nov 2018 #98

Fairweather democrats should not be welcome here..... LovingA2andMI Nov 2018 #263

Whoever gets the Dem nom gets my vote, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #74

Bravo!!! disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #82

We have to be smart and stop dividing ourselves realmirage Nov 2018 #108

I've said it before... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #113

You said it yourself leftynyc Nov 2018 #85

Sigh, I guess you forgot he ran as a democrat realmirage Nov 2018 #93

The party ALLOWED him to run leftynyc Nov 2018 #99

Let's worry about current events why don't we Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #86

Sick of hearing about Bernie YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #90

Bye! realmirage Nov 2018 #96

I assume you are using your ignore power. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #118

Gets the nom from whom and for what? DFW Nov 2018 #92

Oh. sarah FAILIN Nov 2018 #94

It's the rules here. In case you forgot. realmirage Nov 2018 #102

No it is not. sarah FAILIN Nov 2018 #206

1. If Bernie gets the nomination he'll have my full support Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #95

You can clear out until Bernie joins the Democratic Party. Let me know when he does. PubliusEnigma Nov 2018 #97

Your strategy to undermine a possible 2020 dem nominee is perfect for failure realmirage Nov 2018 #104

He is not and never really was a Democrat. Find a real leader and get back to us. PubliusEnigma Nov 2018 #109

Unless you are in a different reality, yes he was running as a Democrat realmirage Nov 2018 #112

We don't want him to join the Party again. We have plenty of actual Democrats. PubliusEnigma Nov 2018 #120

can we still hate Nader? Hamlette Nov 2018 #100

fuck Nader realmirage Nov 2018 #105

Omg! DUgosh Nov 2018 #110

If Bernie were to be the nominee of the Democratic Party I would vote for him. dameatball Nov 2018 #111

The 2020 Democratic nominee will be a Democrat, so this is a moot point n/t EffieBlack Nov 2018 #115

I agree Andy823 Nov 2018 #163

... LexVegas Nov 2018 #117

Oh and I personally will never get over 2016 (election) since I will have a shitty Trump appointed Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #123

I've been here since 2004, not going anywhere. I'm tired of BS dissing Dems. we can do it Nov 2018 #124

Maybe between now and then he'll figure out what racism is Orrex Nov 2018 #125

Who says he gets to run as a dem again? DWS was NICE and let that independant sabatuer in. bushisanidiot Nov 2018 #128

I will support the party's nominee no matter what Gothmog Nov 2018 #130

I won't support anyone who doesn't release at least 5 years of tax returns BEFORE THE PRIMARY. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #134

I too will support the party's nominee no matter what Jarqui Nov 2018 #144

"...stop tearing down our allies." --- Actually, at this point... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #150

I love Bernie. And I love Hillary. And I love Barry. Big tent guys. Big tent. zonkers Nov 2018 #152

Who's Barry? mcar Nov 2018 #246

Barack "Barry" Obama. It's what he went by back in his college days. zonkers Nov 2018 #249

Did you know him in his college days? mcar Nov 2018 #250

I believe Bernie has his strengths and he has my respect, but he won't likely get the nom. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #155

He's not going to get the nomination, and shouldn't. dawg day Nov 2018 #156

I like his ideas, but I don't think he should be POTUS RainCaster Nov 2018 #157

Bernie is not a democrat nor should he be allowed to run in our primaries again, beachbum bob Nov 2018 #165

He won't get the nomination. He's not even a Democrat. scheming daemons Nov 2018 #170

I'll vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is in 2020, Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #174

Bernie Sanders, by his own declaration, is Not a Democrat. MineralMan Nov 2018 #177

Anonymous internet poster orders anonymous posters around, Pathwalker Nov 2018 #178

Who are you to order me to vote for your choice. Bfd Nov 2018 #179

He's a Democrat? SHRED Nov 2018 #181

Good question Gothmog Nov 2018 #198

I always refer to the definition for insanity. democratisphere Nov 2018 #184

I stand foursquare for [DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE]. VOX Nov 2018 #185

Have you ever actually been here during primary season? Crunchy Frog Nov 2018 #189

JA JA JA JA JA JA JA!!! JAJAJA NBachers Nov 2018 #190

Ha! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #216

Care to point out ANYONE who aside they wouldn't support the eventual nominee? brooklynite Nov 2018 #194

I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Nov 2018 #197

Oh fucking bother. Not this shit again. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2018 #199

He won't be the nominee anyway. BlueStater Nov 2018 #202

Are you the new sheriff in town? betsuni Nov 2018 #203

+ Bfd Nov 2018 #204

I recommend you, and Bernie, figure out whether an independent is a Democrat. FreepFryer Nov 2018 #205

Of course I would. The vast majority of people posting here would. musicblind Nov 2018 #208

I will support any Democratic nominee we have 2020... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #212

Two years is very far away, lets not tear apart the 'good guy team' so early. Even Bernie says, Sunlei Nov 2018 #213

Even Bernie? Small-Axe Nov 2018 #235

A brave post. I salute you. The fact is, no matter what the majority of any political message board Ohio Barbarian Nov 2018 #215

... LexVegas Nov 2018 #225

Oh. My. Gods. Hekate Nov 2018 #261

I will... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #217

I don't think any one of us here will be the problem... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #218

I'm going stay here as I please. You can't do a damned thing about it GusBob Nov 2018 #219

I don't care who the democratic nominee is they have my vote. blueinredohio Nov 2018 #227

i kinda feel like my dad just yelled at me samnsara Nov 2018 #229

More like your great-granddad. nt LexVegas Nov 2018 #232

I hope everyone on DU goes fishing tomorrow. GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #236

That goes without saying. joshcryer Nov 2018 #240

I object to him in 2018 mcar Nov 2018 #241

hmmm elmac Nov 2018 #242

He not now, nor in 2020 going to be the nominee Historic NY Nov 2018 #251

Exactly. Thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #256

I hate to break it to you, but you don't get the nom as a non-Dem, & BS is an Independent Hekate Nov 2018 #252

WTH???? LovingA2andMI Nov 2018 #255

If he runs, I predict he will fizzle out early Politicub Nov 2018 #257

You're a hoot Generic Brad Nov 2018 #258

How do you do. Your face is vaguely familiar -- have we met before? Hekate Nov 2018 #265