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In reply to the discussion: Could RUMPS secret service block [View all]hlthe2b
(114,110 posts)23. You are incorrect on several points. First, Thomas Jefferson was subpoenaed in the Burr trial.
and yes, Nixon was subpoenaed for those tapes... successfully.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/22/can-the-president-be-indicted-or-subpoenaed/?utm_term=.0a264e3a5a12
The first case in which this came up was Aaron Burrs treason trial. Marshall, sitting as a trial judge in 1807, at first concluded that since the President is the first magistrate of the United States, and not a King who can do no wrong, he was subject to the judicial subpoena power, according to the OLC memo.
This particular subpoena went to President Thomas Jefferson, compelling him to testify in court in Richmond. Jefferson decided not to go, claiming he was too busy running the government, but he submitted documents and offered to give testimony in Washington. And that was that.
Months later, Marshall seemed to revise his thinking and said courts were not required to proceed against the President as against an ordinary individual. In an 1838 decision, Kendall v. United States ex rel. Stokes, the Supreme Court took an even narrower view of the judiciarys power concerning the president, according to the OLC memo.
The executive power is vested in a president; and so far as his powers are derived from the constitution, he is beyond the reach of any other department, except in the mode prescribed by the constitution through the impeachment, the court said.
Fast-forward 167 years to U.S. v. Nixon, the landmark Supreme Court case from 1974. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger wrote for the court that Nixon, still in office amid the Watergate scandal, had to comply with a subpoena seeking records and tapes of the president talking to aides and advisers. These records were to be reviewed in private by a federal judge, the court said.
To read the Art. II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of a workable government and gravely impair the role of the courts under Art. III, Burger wrote.
Burger addressed Marshalls statement 167 years earlier that courts were not required to proceed against the president as against an ordinary individual.
Marshalls statement cannot be read to mean in any sense that a President is above the law, Burger wrote, but relates to the singularly unique role under Art. II of a Presidents communications and activities, related to the performance of duties under that Article.
This particular subpoena went to President Thomas Jefferson, compelling him to testify in court in Richmond. Jefferson decided not to go, claiming he was too busy running the government, but he submitted documents and offered to give testimony in Washington. And that was that.
Months later, Marshall seemed to revise his thinking and said courts were not required to proceed against the President as against an ordinary individual. In an 1838 decision, Kendall v. United States ex rel. Stokes, the Supreme Court took an even narrower view of the judiciarys power concerning the president, according to the OLC memo.
The executive power is vested in a president; and so far as his powers are derived from the constitution, he is beyond the reach of any other department, except in the mode prescribed by the constitution through the impeachment, the court said.
Fast-forward 167 years to U.S. v. Nixon, the landmark Supreme Court case from 1974. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger wrote for the court that Nixon, still in office amid the Watergate scandal, had to comply with a subpoena seeking records and tapes of the president talking to aides and advisers. These records were to be reviewed in private by a federal judge, the court said.
To read the Art. II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of a workable government and gravely impair the role of the courts under Art. III, Burger wrote.
Burger addressed Marshalls statement 167 years earlier that courts were not required to proceed against the president as against an ordinary individual.
Marshalls statement cannot be read to mean in any sense that a President is above the law, Burger wrote, but relates to the singularly unique role under Art. II of a Presidents communications and activities, related to the performance of duties under that Article.
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It was an issue with Watergate, but they ended up serving them to subjects' lawyers.
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#1
The crowds in the streets outside the White House will make him change his mind about that
TeamPooka
Nov 2018
#7
remember those proud fools who were caught with sniper rifles on a roof in washington?
getagrip_already
Nov 2018
#12
If the lawyer has represented the client in related cases or issues related to this case.
NightWatcher
Nov 2018
#6
Again, the judge allowed the DNC to do so with Jared Trump's attorneys...per Jill Wine-Banks
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#15
It is true that the subpoeana was delivered to the President for HIS tapes, thus US v NIXON
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#21
Subpoenas can be for materials, documents, OR for testimony. They are still Presidential subpoenas
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#25
Honestly. you apparently refuse to read the article. hE WAS SUBPOENAED AS WAS NIXON.
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#32
Contrary to your false assertion, there have been two Presidents served subpoenas in history:
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#41
You are incorrect on several points. First, Thomas Jefferson was subpoenaed in the Burr trial.
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#23
It was still a Presidential subpoena in both cases. Perhaps you should read the article cited and
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#28
Jefferson DID comply in Washington for oral testimony, not in Richmond as originally requested
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#30
He OFFERED to which meant that he accepted the legal responsibility to do so and validity
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#34
Contrary to your false assertion, there have been two Presidents served subpoenas in history:
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#42
YOUR assertion was that "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served with
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#46
Your original false assertion: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served w
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#43
Your original false assertion: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served w
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#45
you claim: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served with a subpoena" FALSE
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#47
NO, you are intentionally trying to state what you did not pose. It is disingenuous as hell
hlthe2b
Nov 2018
#49