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hlthe2b

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23. You are incorrect on several points. First, Thomas Jefferson was subpoenaed in the Burr trial.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 08:17 PM
Nov 2018

and yes, Nixon was subpoenaed for those tapes... successfully.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/22/can-the-president-be-indicted-or-subpoenaed/?utm_term=.0a264e3a5a12

The first case in which this came up was Aaron Burr’s treason trial. Marshall, sitting as a trial judge in 1807, “at first concluded that since the President is the first magistrate of the United States, and not a King who can do no wrong, he was subject to the judicial subpoena power,” according to the OLC memo.

This particular subpoena went to President Thomas Jefferson, compelling him to testify in court in Richmond. Jefferson decided not to go, claiming he was too busy running the government, but he submitted documents and offered to give testimony in Washington. And that was that.

Months later, Marshall seemed to revise his thinking and said courts were not “required to proceed against the President as against an ordinary individual.” In an 1838 decision, Kendall v. United States ex rel. Stokes, the Supreme Court took an even narrower view of the judiciary’s power concerning the president, according to the OLC memo.

“The executive power is vested in a president; and so far as his powers are derived from the constitution, he is beyond the reach of any other department, except in the mode prescribed by the constitution through the impeachment,” the court said.

Fast-forward 167 years to U.S. v. Nixon, the landmark Supreme Court case from 1974. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger wrote for the court that Nixon, still in office amid the Watergate scandal, had to comply with a subpoena seeking records and tapes of the president talking to aides and advisers. These records were to be reviewed in private by a federal judge, the court said.

“To read the Art. II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of ‘a workable government’ and gravely impair the role of the courts under Art. III,” Burger wrote.

Burger addressed Marshall’s statement 167 years earlier that courts were not “required to proceed against the president as against an ordinary individual.”

“Marshall’s statement cannot be read to mean in any sense that a President is above the law,” Burger wrote, “but relates to the singularly unique role under Art. II of a President’s communications and activities, related to the performance of duties under that Article.”

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Could RUMPS secret service block [View all] bluestarone Nov 2018 OP
It was an issue with Watergate, but they ended up serving them to subjects' lawyers. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #1
TY bluestarone Nov 2018 #2
A more interesting question..... getagrip_already Nov 2018 #3
The crowds in the streets outside the White House will make him change his mind about that TeamPooka Nov 2018 #7
doubt it.... getagrip_already Nov 2018 #9
all while televised live on TV? get real, not paranoid like the GOP TeamPooka Nov 2018 #10
remember those proud fools who were caught with sniper rifles on a roof in washington? getagrip_already Nov 2018 #12
I think you give them too much credit. They know they're outnumbered. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #27
Can't SS members who prevent Trump's arrest Progressive Jones Nov 2018 #22
You can't serve someone's lawyer without their consent Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #4
If the lawyer has represented the client in related cases or issues related to this case. NightWatcher Nov 2018 #6
There is no "case" pre-indictment Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #8
Again, the judge allowed the DNC to do so with Jared Trump's attorneys...per Jill Wine-Banks hlthe2b Nov 2018 #15
You could give notice in his favorite newspaper then maybe? Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #31
You have to serve someone personally in most cases Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #36
Good to know. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #37
DOJ could serve his personal attorney. That counts in matters like this. NightWatcher Nov 2018 #5
That is what I said in post #1... DNC did so as well with Jared hlthe2b Nov 2018 #16
in all seriousness... getagrip_already Nov 2018 #11
Remember, Dirty Donny* has his own private Goon Squad (R) Achilleaze Nov 2018 #14
It is a non issue. former9thward Nov 2018 #13
Not true: 1974 US V Nixon: after Nixon was subpoenaed for the Watergate tapes hlthe2b Nov 2018 #18
It is true. Please read the decision. former9thward Nov 2018 #20
It is true that the subpoeana was delivered to the President for HIS tapes, thus US v NIXON hlthe2b Nov 2018 #21
The issue is a person's testimony. former9thward Nov 2018 #24
Subpoenas can be for materials, documents, OR for testimony. They are still Presidential subpoenas hlthe2b Nov 2018 #25
Jefferson did not testify in the trial. former9thward Nov 2018 #29
Honestly. you apparently refuse to read the article. hE WAS SUBPOENAED AS WAS NIXON. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #32
He was subpoenaed and refused. former9thward Nov 2018 #39
Contrary to your false assertion, there have been two Presidents served subpoenas in history: hlthe2b Nov 2018 #41
You are incorrect on several points. First, Thomas Jefferson was subpoenaed in the Burr trial. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #23
The Nixon case was for hard evidence not testimony. former9thward Nov 2018 #26
It was still a Presidential subpoena in both cases. Perhaps you should read the article cited and hlthe2b Nov 2018 #28
Jefferson DID comply in Washington for oral testimony, not in Richmond as originally requested hlthe2b Nov 2018 #30
No he did not. former9thward Nov 2018 #33
He OFFERED to which meant that he accepted the legal responsibility to do so and validity hlthe2b Nov 2018 #34
Nixon was not subpoenaed for testimony. former9thward Nov 2018 #40
Contrary to your false assertion, there have been two Presidents served subpoenas in history: hlthe2b Nov 2018 #42
YOUR assertion was that "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served with hlthe2b Nov 2018 #46
Your original false assertion: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served w hlthe2b Nov 2018 #43
Your original false assertion: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served w hlthe2b Nov 2018 #45
you claim: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served with a subpoena" FALSE hlthe2b Nov 2018 #47
You are deliberately trying to be obtuse. former9thward Nov 2018 #48
NO, you are intentionally trying to state what you did not pose. It is disingenuous as hell hlthe2b Nov 2018 #49
You said Jefferson testified. former9thward Nov 2018 #50
You claim: "No president (or his legal representatives) have ever been served with a subpoena" FALSE hlthe2b Nov 2018 #51
You need to join Mueller's team. former9thward Nov 2018 #53
I should. I would love that. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #54
I say let Acosta serve him at a presser. n/t Whiskeytide Nov 2018 #17
Now THIS i like bluestarone Nov 2018 #19
BOOM!! Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #35
No - it would be delivered to the WH Counsel. brooklynite Nov 2018 #38
Ultimately, it is not his Secret Service. scarletlib Nov 2018 #44
I want to see his tax returns... :) SimpleC Nov 2018 #52
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