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Celerity

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Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:19 AM Nov 2018

You Can't Get Conservative White Women To Change Their Minds [View all]

The great electoral opportunity of 2020 is not in converting Trump voters. It’s motivating the large numbers of Americans who don’t vote at all.

https://www.thenation.com/article/white-evangelical-women-trump/

Why is it so hard to believe that Trump supporters really do support Trump? The New York Times is always checking in with folksy rural conservatives in search of cracks in the wall. Remember the article just a few weeks ago with the white evangelical woman who put a Beto O’Rourke sticker on her car and drove it to church—and there, in the parking lot, was another car with a sticker for Beto?

For almost three years now, reporters have been begging tired farmers and miners eating their pancakes at Josie’s Diner in Smallville, Nebraska, to say they’ve seen the light. They never do. White evangelical women sneaking away from the Republican Party make for a good story—but they didn’t stop Ted Cruz from getting 81 percent of the white evangelical vote in Texas.

After Trump took the White House, and even after political scientists and pollsters figured out that many Trump supporters were not out-of-work Rust Belters but just your basic well-off Republicans, there was an orgy of self-criticism among Democrats and progressives. Somehow, those voters were our fault; we had neglected them, disrespected them, not felt their pain. The important sociologist Arlie Hochschild wrote a whole book about right-wingers in the Louisiana bayous who rejected curbs on the oil and gas industry that was destroying their way of life and instead blamed their problems on others (people of color, immigrants, women) “cutting in line.” In Strangers in Their Own Land, Hochschild called on us to climb the “empathy wall.” The unstated implication was that liberal condescension—not Trumpers’ racism, say—is the problem.

Another version of this idea is to call on progressive white women to convert other white women who support Trump. Nobody calls on white men to convert white men, because everyone assumes that’s impossible, but for some reason, white women who hate abortion and taxes and Obamacare, who want to “build the wall” and “lock her up,” are supposed to be pliable—and it’s the duty of liberal white women to expiate their own racism by bringing them around. It reminds me of the time years ago when a group of Nation interns came back after spending a weekend at a conference of Evangelical women. They beat themselves up about how those women weren’t feminists; again, it was all our fault.

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i don't expect them to convert them but i do think they should stop making excuses for them JI7 Nov 2018 #1
BS. elleng Nov 2018 #2
This election should show we don't need them. brush Nov 2018 #3
Yeah, the misreading of the election results by some is infuriating. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #34
It is infuriating...these calls for bi-partisanship now that repugs lost. brush Nov 2018 #37
I'll don't think the women who support trumpty will change, just like the men won't. They iluvtennis Nov 2018 #4
I believe these people are following the direction of their ministers. nt No Vested Interest Nov 2018 #5
If the guy in the pulpit is telling them how they should vote FakeNoose Nov 2018 #51
Their husbands crazycatlady Nov 2018 #53
you can't change an asshole orleans Nov 2018 #6
Wouldn't put it that way, but personality rules, and Hortensis Nov 2018 #14
WTH? "...profound bigotry against conservatives...? brush Nov 2018 #38
Who do you imagine I'm talking about but people Hortensis Nov 2018 #44
Please, I have no pity for conservatives/racists. They've done too much damage... brush Nov 2018 #45
See? "conservatives/racists" as if the two were Hortensis Nov 2018 #46
Do you know how you're coming off? brush Nov 2018 #48
Consider this a break. Hortensis Nov 2018 #49
Thank you. brush Nov 2018 #52
I agree with you, and I think many on DU are missing the point marylandblue Nov 2018 #58
Exactly. That is just what happened this November. Hortensis Nov 2018 #63
In a lot of cases it is absolutely true Bettie Nov 2018 #66
Those white women are the most vile of all Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #7
it is more like the 30% Party when you count in all eligible voters (including non voters) Celerity Nov 2018 #8
How about "45 only got 46%"? brush Nov 2018 #50
He got 26.5% of eligible voters, mostly men. Stop repeating lies. 58Sunliner Nov 2018 #59
Stop the crap. Everyone knows we're talking about actual voters. brush Nov 2018 #60
It isn't crap. It is called being accurate. 58Sunliner Nov 2018 #62
Whatever. It's just a play on the numbers 45 and 46. Sheesh! brush Nov 2018 #64
I just spent Thanksgiving with 2 conservative women. Lars39 Nov 2018 #9
Southern Baptist missionaries Celerity Nov 2018 #10
Heh, heh! smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #11
Hear here! TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #13
"Hear here!" - Love that. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #28
Tanks! nt TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #39
Interesting choice of terms. A 27-year-old grown man is not generally supposed to be a "kid." Glorfindel Nov 2018 #55
I'm 65. He's 27. To me, he's a kid. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #65
He was from Washington. nolabear Nov 2018 #29
John Allen Chau? Yes, but I was replying about the poster's MIL and SIL Celerity Nov 2018 #30
I had a friend like that NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #22
I sent this to my rwnj cousin. He's a few years away from Medicare/SS. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #31
very true NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #33
I don't think color has anything to do with it. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #12
I respectfully disagree Celerity Nov 2018 #16
Your argument ... TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #40
Agreed. Evangelicals will die rather than wake up to reality. The anti-medicine cults, the anti-educ lindysalsagal Nov 2018 #15
I showed a WWFT some of Trumps WWF videos and the Eminem Shady Convention hexola Nov 2018 #17
That's the scary part... llmart Nov 2018 #19
LOLOLOL Celerity Nov 2018 #20
I know a few of the crazies DFW Nov 2018 #18
This is less about gender and more about the New Christians Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #21
Don't waste time in trying to convert them. Defeat them instead. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #23
Best slogan ever. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #27
Hear here! nt TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #41
Agreed. They are deep into Negationism. n/t MarcA Nov 2018 #54
The thing of it is, it doesn't make sense for people who value care and fairness, like us ProfessorPlum Nov 2018 #24
And so you shine a light on them for others to see. Iggo Nov 2018 #25
Evangelicals have been taught never to think for themselves, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #26
They are a waste of our time & resources. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #32
Exactly! TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #43
I had (now deceased) family members like this crazycatlady Nov 2018 #35
I have one of these in my family. KentuckyWoman Nov 2018 #36
Easy. One word: Abortion Roland99 Nov 2018 #42
A lot of that is religion. Initech Nov 2018 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2018 #56
I still maintain...OK,. hope...and they FEAR...that the White Patriarchy is libdem4life Nov 2018 #57
Yes. The emphasis needs to be on getting those who don't participate to vote. 58Sunliner Nov 2018 #61
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