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47. I think it extremely important that Congress revisit the sins of each and every enabler

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 04:37 PM

Dec 2018

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of the administration's criminality. McConnell and Graham knew of the collusion and not only failed to act, but obstructed justice. Nunes obstructed justice. The nations' top law enforcement official directly lied to Congress and the people. If we tolerate this at an official level we cannot claim to observe the rule of law. It is Congress' duty to investigate these officials. Failure to do so normalizes their crimes.

Dems will be in a position to throw light on all the nasty little deeds that have been committed and public opinion will show Ms. Pelosi the proper course of action. Turn the lights on and cockroaches will have to flee.

How can there be justice when Attorney General commits obstruction while freaking recused?

...and then there's Grassley and Garland and Kavanaugh. If I had power of subpeona these people would not go out to pasture gently.

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The illusion that one person is our problem. [View all] marylandblue Dec 2018 OP

reform isn't the solution, the solution is the 50% of americans who sit on their asses beachbum bob Dec 2018 #1

How do you know how those people would vote? marylandblue Dec 2018 #4

Excellent point. And if the media they consume spouts the "wrong" way, they'll continue to follow it erronis Dec 2018 #35

Exactly. Rizen Dec 2018 #34

+ 1,000,000,000 Cary Dec 2018 #41

I believe that if we tackled the two root problems Dustlawyer Dec 2018 #61

I agree but impeachment will be required manor321 Dec 2018 #2

Yes it's really bad, but why is impeachment required? marylandblue Dec 2018 #7

Impeachment will not fix the problem America has... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #44

We should bring the crimes out into the open marylandblue Dec 2018 #54

Totally agree, Lawrence O'Donnell makes that point strongly pdsimdars Dec 2018 #48

He's a symptom for sure ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #3

Yes, the fact that so many people like it this way is a big problem. marylandblue Dec 2018 #8

Well sure, reform the system but impeachment should be FRONT and CENTER Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #5

Impeachment will not stop him, only conviction can do that. marylandblue Dec 2018 #11

Imprisoning for 2 or 3 years armed robbers wont stop them from doing it Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #17

Putting someone on trial through a corrupt system only encourages them marylandblue Dec 2018 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #22

Uhh, have a nice day...sigh Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #23

+1. Dump and his allies won't be incapacitated by a mere impeachment erronis Dec 2018 #36

I agree we should impeach if only becaue of the symbolic value of it The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #28

Nature will probably put an end to many of humanity's problems in the next century or so anarch Dec 2018 #6

One of current issues is our inability to plan for the future marylandblue Dec 2018 #15

This will be a Golden Era Boomer Dec 2018 #59

Without the 45 to 50+% of voters who are fine with the likes of trump, we wouldn't be here. Hoyt Dec 2018 #9

Yep. marylandblue Dec 2018 #12

The illusion that since he's not the entire problem, he's not the problem in front of us. Iggo Dec 2018 #10

He is only part of the problem, and only a symptom not a root cause marylandblue Dec 2018 #26

McConnell is worse for the country. Agree. Pence will continue the ravaging. erronis Dec 2018 #38

It's a lot easier to impeach a President than to change the Constitution. MineralMan Dec 2018 #13

Correct, we can't change the Constitution at this time marylandblue Dec 2018 #31

Yes. Our elections every two and four years are the final checks and balances. MineralMan Dec 2018 #33

The system shouldn't be considered "broken." gulliver Dec 2018 #14

Agree with this OP that things need to change and your refinement marked50 Dec 2018 #16

Great response and agree with enhanced maintenance. Been a long time since erronis Dec 2018 #39

Let me expand a bit because I've thought about this a lot... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2018 #18

The Indians viewed the world in the scope of seven generations. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #24

Seven generations vs. quarterly profits. What a great distinction. erronis Dec 2018 #40

How much of it is Russia instigating? lostnfound Dec 2018 #29

Yes, it's a bigger problem than just the US, but leadership has to come from somewhere marylandblue Dec 2018 #50

Nicely stated. Firestorm49 Dec 2018 #19

Yes, we have a system that gives grossly disproportionate power to a minority Maven Dec 2018 #21

I agree with everything you said The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #25

+1 for making me think. I'll have to do more of that (which is hard.) erronis Dec 2018 #42

That reminds me of Phoenix rising in a way, BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #51

Well I mostly agree with you, but individual action is never enough. marylandblue Dec 2018 #52

Democratic Party has minor ailments but the GOP is malignant to the core lostnfound Dec 2018 #27

I say Trump is the symptom Alpeduez21 Dec 2018 #30

"The anti-democratic politicians in Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia" BadgerMom Dec 2018 #32

We'll know if our nation is salvageable PeeJ52 Dec 2018 #37

Do we have any examples of countries that have reformed themselves from within, erronis Dec 2018 #43

Poland, 1990. nt trev Dec 2018 #53

South Africa. marylandblue Dec 2018 #55

That's a great example. Truth and Reconciliation. Still some bumps on the road. erronis Dec 2018 #56

yes, it is short-sighted and/or blinkered to think everything would be fine shanny Dec 2018 #45

good post. nt wiggs Dec 2018 #46

I think it extremely important that Congress revisit the sins of each and every enabler pecosbob Dec 2018 #47

+ 1,000,000,000,000,000 BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #49

Our educational system is in tatters UpInArms Dec 2018 #57

And when they do make to HS graduation... Pluvious Dec 2018 #62

Or, the other option of UpInArms Dec 2018 #65

He is the stark caricature of the problem. JudyM Dec 2018 #58

It's the gop being run by big business, and even more reason we have to impeach. lindysalsagal Dec 2018 #60

And none of those reforms will stick or matter if we don't reform ecstatic Dec 2018 #63

You've got a point, it may be too late, but I think we are hanging in the balance marylandblue Dec 2018 #64

"The only solution is to reform the entire system." elocs Dec 2018 #66

Well, let's be real in a different way. marylandblue Dec 2018 #68

The struggle continues lunatica Dec 2018 #67