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Vogon_Glory

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56. I'm not that worried about Democratic chances in 2020. Trump has soiled the Republican brand

Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:00 PM

Dec 2018

I’m not that worried about Republican chances in 2020 even if Donnie resigns, gets dumped, or flat-lines before Primary Season. I’m old enough to remember the 1976 elections and remember just how tainted the Republican brand still was after Watergate and the Nixon pardon.

Let’s do some deep-breathing and relax. Trump has been in office far longer into his term than Tricky Dick was into his second term when he resigned, and the ordure from Trump’s dealings is still flowing and getting into the news. Today’s Republican Party is in worse shape than it was back then. Father Pence is far more involved with this administration’s grubby dealings than Ford was in Nixon’s. The Republicans are far more racist than they were back then (Remember SenatorEdward Brooke?), and I doubt the MAGA Magoos would turn out enough to vote for someone of Haley’s complexion into the White House.

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My fear is that if they dump Trump and nominate someone else in 2020 [View all] pnwmom Dec 2018 OP

I don't think women are that gullible. Cattledog Dec 2018 #1

All she needs to put her in the WH is a couple percent of Democratic women pnwmom Dec 2018 #4

yep you nailed it Guppy Dec 2018 #9

Except I don't see how a white guy can beat her in the General. pnwmom Dec 2018 #14

yeah she would be tough Guppy Dec 2018 #18

Oppo research on Haley's performance as SC Gov. would be damning jpak Dec 2018 #30

i hope this concept can be communicated in 10 second sound-bytes 0rganism Dec 2018 #41

I remember some nutty SC Blogger who insisted they'd had an affair-- dawg day Dec 2018 #65

She is not liked here in SC kskiska Dec 2018 #111

She was re-elected with 55% of the vote after she did that. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #125

She was re-elected with 55% of the vote. Not that much of a hot mess nt pnwmom Dec 2018 #123

I respectfully disagree JustAnotherGen Dec 2018 #93

Countered by an even higher percent of men who will never, ever vote for a woman. EleanorR Dec 2018 #36

How did she win election in the very red state of South Carolina? pnwmom Dec 2018 #38

SC is deep red. 56% in SC is not that high. Qutzupalotl Dec 2018 #73

Sanford won re-election with 55% of the vote. nt pnwmom Dec 2018 #79

After confessing to infidelity. Qutzupalotl Dec 2018 #91

The same men who praised Sarah Palin as a VP candidate? Or different men? LanternWaste Dec 2018 #39

VP is different than president EleanorR Dec 2018 #43

Distinctions lacking relevant difference to your premise. Poor tactic. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #77

They praised Palin... then stated home. John Fante Dec 2018 #95

And how's that going to work? melman Dec 2018 #46

In a national poll in April, she had 55% approval among Democrats. pnwmom Dec 2018 #49

So are you suggesting melman Dec 2018 #84

How? Propaganda, that's how. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2018 #75

55% approval is more than "a couple." LanternWaste Dec 2018 #78

I think perhaps it's you that missed something melman Dec 2018 #81

You mean like the over 50% of white women who voted for Trump? n/t elocs Dec 2018 #8

In 2005 I was sitting in a bookstore ashling Dec 2018 #134

Just because Haley is a woman does not mean her policies will attract other women as voters. TeamPooka Dec 2018 #2

She will frame herself as a centrist and will make many voters comfortable pnwmom Dec 2018 #5

She will have to run in a primary to become the candidate TeamPooka Dec 2018 #26

She can attempt that framing all she likes Bilegurken Dec 2018 #71

The racist, misogynist knuckledraggers that now comprise most of the GOP The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #3

Louisiana knuckle draggers had no problem with "non-white" Bobby Jindal! BamaRefugee Dec 2018 #100

Haley scares me...since the first time I heard of her. pecosbob Dec 2018 #6

If she runs against him in a primary, and wins, I'll take it. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #7

Can't believe that this party of repugs would ever nominate a woman to run for president... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #10

They nominated Palin to be VP... thesquanderer Dec 2018 #87

Nah, Repugs aren't that smart. lark Dec 2018 #11

Then why did they elect her to be governor of the red state of South Carolina? n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #17

Given the choice, I would rather run against a wounded, weakened, and shamed Trump elocs Dec 2018 #12

Haley would never make it out of a GOP primary BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #13

What would be different is that the GOP would be in tatters after Trump, pnwmom Dec 2018 #15

Depends on how it went down BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #19

She came out on top in South Carolina. Why couldn't she be successful pnwmom Dec 2018 #21

She's non-white and a woman -- which didn't stop her from being elected pnwmom Dec 2018 #16

State elections and national primary campaigns are not analogous BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #20

South Carolina is a red state, which IS analogous to other red states. pnwmom Dec 2018 #22

Haley vs Trump in 2020 who wins the nomination? BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #28

My OP was predicated on him being out of the picture by then. pnwmom Dec 2018 #35

re: "Neither has ever come close to happening in the other party" thesquanderer Dec 2018 #90

Palin wasn't nominated by Republican voters. McCain simply picked her. John Fante Dec 2018 #97

Party supported her. In fact, she was not even McCain's idea. (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2018 #104

Party leaders supported her, not the voters. John Fante Dec 2018 #106

McCain wanted Joe Lieberman kskiska Dec 2018 #112

In the end it wasn't close. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #103

Not to worry Sedona Dec 2018 #23

They made a brown woman Governor of South Carolina, pnwmom Dec 2018 #24

We've had a number of female GOP Senators and governors BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #29

So? Nikki Haley proved that a brown woman could win in a very red state. pnwmom Dec 2018 #33

That was before Trump. Yavin4 Dec 2018 #37

Yeah. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #40

You make some excellent points. Haley would be a formidable candidate Va Lefty Dec 2018 #25

If they Dump Trump - they would have to nominate someone who was Anti-Trump jpak Dec 2018 #27

Yikes.......could be an impressive opponent. a kennedy Dec 2018 #31

Would you have expected her to win the Governorship of S. Carolina, a red state? n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #32

The GOP is never going to go from Trump to an Indian-American, woman Yavin4 Dec 2018 #34

I agree. Political parties have a strong will to survive. When Trump self explodes... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #42

So what? stopbush Dec 2018 #44

The base of their party hates her with venom GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #45

The other problem she would face BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #47

No, they approve of her. Last time there was a poll (April) pnwmom Dec 2018 #48

But she would be running against another republican. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #50

How did she win the Governorship in the very red state of South Carolina? pnwmom Dec 2018 #54

Did Haley win twice in SC? at140 Dec 2018 #53

She was re-elected with a 56 to 41% win. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #55

She has not been in a primary since the flag came down. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #92

I'm firmly in the 'yeah, no ... that ain't happening' camp ... mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #51

Congrats...most thought provoking and genuinely relevant post! at140 Dec 2018 #52

I'm not that worried about Democratic chances in 2020. Trump has soiled the Republican brand Vogon_Glory Dec 2018 #56

Red state voters re-elected her in 2014 with 56% of the vote. pnwmom Dec 2018 #58

Perhaps they did in South Carolina... Vogon_Glory Dec 2018 #59

As an ambassador she had national approval ratings among Democrats pnwmom Dec 2018 #60

She carried water for the Trump Party eleny Dec 2018 #57

"They" still have to win some primaries. tinrobot Dec 2018 #61

Ford was a pretty plausible candidate in 1976-- dawg day Dec 2018 #62

The OP makes a good case for why Haley could be a long term problem BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #67

She better not be the first woman or Indian-American president IronLionZion Dec 2018 #63

It's worth thinking about this. I have a feeling some women will start to do better soon Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #64

if trump doesnt run for reelection for whatever reason AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #66

I'd like to think that Trump has tainted the party enough Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #68

The spineless, corrupt repuKKKes would DEFINITELY support her in order... Hulk Dec 2018 #69

IMO, the GOP is digging a hole so deep... RainCaster Dec 2018 #70

That was part of the Republican logic in 2008 --young women would vote McCain/Palin because of Palin karynnj Dec 2018 #72

I thought Republicans were sexist and racist though, so why would they vote for an Indian woman? nt mr_liberal Dec 2018 #74

The Republican Party Will Stop Her erpowers Dec 2018 #76

To most voters, Mike Pence will have the appearance of "a good person" Tarc Dec 2018 #80

It will either be Kasich, Romney, or Pence. still_one Dec 2018 #82

I'm worried about ANYBODY other than Trump as their candidate LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #83

Don't stress yourself out, pnwmom. Trump has destroyed the Republican Brand for at least one Nitram Dec 2018 #85

No, Haley didn't resign under a cloud of suspicion. pnwmom Dec 2018 #98

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Haley resigned from her post as UN ambassador after Nitram Dec 2018 #113

Oh, okay -- I thought you were talking about her resignation as Governor. pnwmom Dec 2018 #114

Haley would likely do worse than Trump in my opinion. David__77 Dec 2018 #86

She would not challenge Trump in the primaries. redstateblues Dec 2018 #88

I think their base is too racist and sexist to do that...n/t Perrenial Voter Dec 2018 #89

I share your concerns about a Haley candidacy Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #94

The deplorable Republican base loves 45 too much. They will not dump him. LonePirate Dec 2018 #96

Nikki Haley is going to fire up the deplorables John Fante Dec 2018 #99

No, but if they dump him because of other reasons -- like his being indicted pnwmom Dec 2018 #101

The deplorables would flip their racist tops and stay home en masse. John Fante Dec 2018 #105

The downside stuff of being careful what you ask for lunatica Dec 2018 #102

Can she appeal to young women while remaining anti-choice? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #107

She has a saccharine little spiel about how she's pro-life pnwmom Dec 2018 #110

"All she has to do is attract a couple percent of Democratic women." melman Dec 2018 #129

Plenty of Democratic women are centrists and moderates, pnwmom Dec 2018 #131

Possible but not likely. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #108

Why worry about it now? We don't even know who's running ecstatic Dec 2018 #109

"My fear is that if they dump Trump and nominate someone else in 2020" Hotler Dec 2018 #115

Our nominee will emerge victorious in 2020 Devil Child Dec 2018 #116

Any puke will be beaten. Haley is a quitter. pwb Dec 2018 #117

Plus One DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #119

How are they going to dump Trump? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #118

I think he could be impeached, or could be persuaded pnwmom Dec 2018 #120

If they impeach him there will definitely be a... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #121

I have seen many DUers pnwmom Dec 2018 #122

They can push for whatever they want. Let not your heart be troubled. That ain't happening DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #124

I hope you're right! n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #126

I know I am. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #128

I really don't think that will happen TheFarseer Dec 2018 #127

This. Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #132

It would lead to a civil war within the party. They would be divided beyond imagination. OrlandoDem2 Dec 2018 #130

We are going into recession sometime next year. roamer65 Dec 2018 #133

She would still have to run as a Republican... BadGimp Dec 2018 #135

The Republican Party cannot rid itself of Trump that easily... kentuck Dec 2018 #136

What a load of crap dansolo Dec 2018 #137

+ 1 melman Dec 2018 #138