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43. People need to be realist and grow thicker skins if they're going to engage in politics.

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:42 AM

Dec 2018

It's a brutal reality, and I suggest not taking things personally. Which I'm suspecting is what you did here.

My words were meant on a realistic level. I'm not baiting anyone, or being contrary. I'm not bashing Bernie. I'm pointing out a problem he has on a national level he needs to address, or not. His choice.

I made clean and simple statements and wasn't attacking anyone. I can assure you I have no emotions involved here beyond curiosity and some shock at the replies. I tried to stay supportive, but still discuss the issue openly.

I freely admit I believe if Bernie doesn't passionately start to address this, he has zero hope in 2020. That's politics. It's about changing your local, state and national politicians, even though the majority of some may not be exactly like you, and moving forward from that reality.

It's not about pretending everyone is a cookie cut from the same cutter you were shaped from.

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Our most activated and reliable voting block believes it's time to move on from Bernie [View all] MariePinchon Dec 2018 OP

agreed.... chillfactor Dec 2018 #1

Bernie Is More Of My Kind Of Roosevelt Democrat PaulX2 Dec 2018 #14

Yes, mine too. whathehell Dec 2018 #58

Unfortunately, he's also the Republican Party's, the Kremin's and the Kochs'. Hortensis Dec 2018 #225

I don't think so.. whathehell Dec 2018 #228

Of course he did - PUBLICLY. I said privately. Hortensis Dec 2018 #229

As I stated earlier, whathehell Dec 2018 #230

What, we respond for all readers, not just the poster. Hortensis Dec 2018 #231

I won't repond to those who refuse to respect stated boundaries. whathehell Dec 2018 #233

I trust that Bernie is for a better country for everyone and that's a rare thing to find these days. The Wielding Truth Dec 2018 #63

true...but i dont see any thing different from the Dem candidates... samnsara Dec 2018 #103

Yep dembotoz Dec 2018 #73

While I agree with your assessment of Bernie, Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #80

Yep, we win with younger candidates...Obama, Clinton, Carter, JFK. brush Dec 2018 #174

Well said Paul. Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #85

FDR supported segregation Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #148

No, BS is too divisive and 3rd party. We have Cha Dec 2018 #153

I wouldn't consider the Democratic Caucus to be "the sidelines" guruoo Dec 2018 #172

It's obvious I'm not talking about anything Cha Dec 2018 #175

This is a really difficult one for me when it comes to Sanders. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #2

BS is 3rd party and he's too Divisive. Cha Dec 2018 #60

I fully agree with that. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #71

Who's divisive? guruoo Dec 2018 #149

EXCUSE Me!! I wasn't the one who went on Cnn Cha Dec 2018 #151

Yes, yes, yes. brush Dec 2018 #177

Thank You! Cha Dec 2018 #179

No, the problems he's addressing are the source of division, IMO. ... guruoo Dec 2018 #178

BS is divisive.. you can't dance around that. Cha Dec 2018 #180

Lol Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #158

So happy you came here to tell us that !!!!! alittlelark Dec 2018 #3

Me too, LOL. hay rick Dec 2018 #40

Usually whippersnappers lay low for awhile. nt Snotcicles Dec 2018 #78

Came back. n/t QC Dec 2018 #107

:) progressoid Dec 2018 #214

And now she's gone! QC Dec 2018 #240

Good. eom Control-Z Dec 2018 #4

As a Latina Bernie speaks directly to my needs and concerns. Autumn Dec 2018 #5

This could make an excellent conversation. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #7

Good question. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #15

All of our candidates offer something don't you think? Bernie keeps the focus on the important Autumn Dec 2018 #75

Let us not forget.. disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #79

I find it ironic that the top priorities for those women in the article are Bernie's priorities. Autumn Dec 2018 #110

They are not just Bernie's priorities. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #114

Sure Autumn Dec 2018 #116

Well feel free to visit her twitter feed and see for yourself. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #119

I don't get all my political news and opinions from just Bernie Sanders. Autumn Dec 2018 #125

Then post an OP. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #127

Gurrrrl... you rock! NurseJackie Dec 2018 #139

Hey! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #147

I asked you to address what Bernie offers, MariePinchon Dec 2018 #128

Bernie is a Democratic ally. Of course he will be on the same page with Democrats Autumn Dec 2018 #132

Fair enough. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #133

Don't lose any sleep over that. I'm an opened minded person and I'm not stuck on ANY politician. Autumn Dec 2018 #134

... NurseJackie Dec 2018 #140

OK. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #143

I'm sure if anyone wanted to take the time to research it, we'd find... George II Dec 2018 #142

If someone wanted to research they certainly could. Did I post that it was Bernie's legislation? No Autumn Dec 2018 #165

But in the real world it was Senator Murphy "*with*" Senators Lee and Sanders. George II Dec 2018 #191

Bernie's 'talking' attracts media attention to the issues at hand n/t guruoo Dec 2018 #183

Yes and all that I posted above was a small fraction of what he talked about in just the last week. Autumn Dec 2018 #224

Awesome!!!! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #184

Wow. 70 plus people made that decision, eh? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #6

These were top Democratic women of color. herding cats Dec 2018 #10

Ah so not any sort of random sample at all. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #18

At this point it's the leaders who've actually been following the issues and people. herding cats Dec 2018 #19

The people who support the party. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #22

So you think "leaders" should select candidates. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #28

The party base should have a say. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #31

Everyone gets a say. whathehell Dec 2018 #54

So Clinton Biden and Sanders should "go away"? Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #70

That word... guruoo Dec 2018 #204

Oh, really? MariePinchon Dec 2018 #205

I'll help. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #219

Inference is certainly not your strong suit. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #76

Inference wasn't required. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #137

only 90% of respondents are Democrats. scipan Dec 2018 #113

Otherwise known as the base of the party. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #20

This. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #155

70 super duper important people. progressoid Dec 2018 #47

This looks like a brand new organization (around july 2018) scipan Dec 2018 #115

Can also be read as 2/3rd of polled respondents had no prob with Sen. Sanders Devil Child Dec 2018 #210

I saw this earlier from the Editor in Chief of Mother Jones, Clara Jeffery. herding cats Dec 2018 #8

Yes, it was Bernie's problem in 2016 and it continues today. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #9

Yes, it was, and it still is one of his main issues nationally. herding cats Dec 2018 #13

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #21

Ok, that totally speaks to my words. herding cats Dec 2018 #23

Paul, no offense, but, GTFO MariePinchon Dec 2018 #24

"if more minority primary voters understood" betsuni Dec 2018 #25

Bernie never faced real oppo dirt sharedvalues Dec 2018 #29

There's already a video on you tube where trump calls bernie a commie... Kahuna7 Dec 2018 #72

Now imagine Daily Caller/Fox/Mercer with real clips of Bernie sharedvalues Dec 2018 #189

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #136

Yep. That rat fucker from the 1990s, Brock, pulled out all the stops. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #138

David Brock is the voice of women of color? MariePinchon Dec 2018 #144

Corporates slinging bs, while sweating bullets the whole time n/t guruoo Dec 2018 #146

women of color are corporates who sling bs? MariePinchon Dec 2018 #156

"Corporatist?" Really? Lol. Of course, to brogressives Hortensis Dec 2018 #234

Why is it so difficult to accept that candidate Bernie Sanders MariePinchon Dec 2018 #145

You're coming very close to "white-splaining" here. nt spooky3 Dec 2018 #32

Bernie is "completely tone deaf on civil rights issues"?? whathehell Dec 2018 #51

Yes. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #167

For excellent reasons.. A lot of the same reasons he Cha Dec 2018 #17

Hi, Cha! herding cats Dec 2018 #27

The responses to her tweet are quite informative.. disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #81

Clara seems to be confused. Only half of the women in this "survey" were Black. progressoid Dec 2018 #124

They are women of color. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #129

Apparently it needs to be explained to Clara... progressoid Dec 2018 #150

a bit fastigious, MariePinchon Dec 2018 #154

One should expect accuracy from the editor of magazine. progressoid Dec 2018 #157

Yes. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #162

"Fastigious"? It's technically a word, but I'm not sure you're using it like you think you are... Decoy of Fenris Dec 2018 #159

lol MariePinchon Dec 2018 #163

Yes it does. :P I promise, I wasn't picking nits, I was genuinely curious. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2018 #164

Oh, I hear ya. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #166

I learned a new use of a brick not long ago. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #169

We need to win. That rules out Bernie, HRC, Biden, too. lindysalsagal Dec 2018 #11

Forgetting HRC is a bad idea. Since when are crime victims Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #62

Ageism runs deep even among progressives unfortunately. Joe941 Dec 2018 #64

The folks who want Bernie Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #65

And, there's people like me who Don't want BS who Cha Dec 2018 #182

Right on. Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #211

Mele Kalikimaka, CC! Cha Dec 2018 #212

Let's let the candidates speak for themselves. And then we vote in primaries aikoaiko Dec 2018 #12

I don't think this is trashing Bernie. herding cats Dec 2018 #16

Yes, exactly. And thank you! MariePinchon Dec 2018 #26

No, there's a pattern of bashing here realmirage Dec 2018 #33

Explain, please. herding cats Dec 2018 #35

This forum overall. Find any other candidate realmirage Dec 2018 #36

Them, who? herding cats Dec 2018 #37

Who else are we talking about? realmirage Dec 2018 #38

People need to be realist and grow thicker skins if they're going to engage in politics. herding cats Dec 2018 #43

If we assume Trump will be a candidate then he has more negative responses than Sanders. violetpastille Dec 2018 #39

You are correct. whathehell Dec 2018 #49

I agree with you and I didn't say this OP was Bernie bashing. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #42

Thank you. herding cats Dec 2018 #44

Well, I said what I said as a reply to the OP so its understandable. I could have been clearer. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #45

I can appreciate that. herding cats Dec 2018 #56

I wish you much luck and success! aikoaiko Dec 2018 #59

What a novel idea wryter2000 Dec 2018 #57

That's been an issue. herding cats Dec 2018 #61

I've ruled out Bernie and Tulsi during the primary. RandySF Dec 2018 #30

Crystal balls don't work. realmirage Dec 2018 #34

Not the biggest bernie fan but last time we fucked with the bernie or bust crowd mentalslavery Dec 2018 #41

I will support a . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #46

Yes! This! Well said! violetpastille Dec 2018 #52

Can we keep him on the team? Find a place for him in the administration California_Republic Dec 2018 #48

He's not part of our team, and he never was. He wants to have his own team, but use LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #74

I was a fervent Bernie supporter in the last primary and it hurt when he lost the primary... Still In Wisconsin Dec 2018 #50

Time for Bernie to pass the progressive baton off to someone younger aeromanKC Dec 2018 #53

Biden's 76 to Bernie's 77. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #67

so 2/3 of those women don't seem to have that problem with bernie then? nt msongs Dec 2018 #55

Hah. That's missing some important context. pnwmom Dec 2018 #69

Other context is that they got poll responses Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #90

So a Bernie-endorsing group supported Bernie. Woo-hoo! pnwmom Dec 2018 #106

If so, then they will do so quaker bill Dec 2018 #66

I think he should have moved on Dorian Gray Dec 2018 #68

Bernie has knocked other democrats and wasn't a full throttle cheerleader for Clinton Beakybird Dec 2018 #77

How much more should he have done in cheerleading for Clinton? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #83

oh, this is a mix of donors and party leaders? Well what the fuck do you know? They think that JCanete Dec 2018 #82

I hope you are not attempting to diminish the voices of women MariePinchon Dec 2018 #84

Did it sound like I was diminishing them? I'm saying that you can expect certain circles to JCanete Dec 2018 #88

She the People is ALL about women of color. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #91

wow...you totally misinterpretted what I said. I suggested that if you polled the entire JCanete Dec 2018 #93

You seem to be under the impression that She The People MariePinchon Dec 2018 #96

No I'm not, nor is that what I said. She The People seems like a diverse group which also includes JCanete Dec 2018 #98

That is not who She The People are. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #99

They are rightfully not comfortable with the lack of black female representation, or their JCanete Dec 2018 #102

They seem to have organized in July 2018. scipan Dec 2018 #111

Guess what?...Without "We the People" of the entire Party, whathehell Dec 2018 #255

Research ... Donkees Dec 2018 #92

Which makes in even more surprising that he was the candidate MariePinchon Dec 2018 #94

They didn't. a third of responders did. JCanete Dec 2018 #95

They are a big part of the panel. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #97

Guess you didn't read about the poll very much. scipan Dec 2018 #118

and? MariePinchon Dec 2018 #120

and? reread my post. scipan Dec 2018 #121

Please explain to me why a senator that was in office for 10 years has TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #171

I have previously, and what a ridiculous thing to say regarding the general public. JCanete Dec 2018 #185

Your insistence that Bernie was an unknown by the time of the primaries is ridiculous. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #194

I have no such disdain for southern voters, and I think its safe to assume democratic voters are JCanete Dec 2018 #196

Bernie has a POC issue. It's been proven time and time again. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #201

. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #206

Love it! MariePinchon Dec 2018 #207

You're welcome. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #208

Right? I never knew that Freddy Mercury and Queen covered that song. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #209

Bye bye Autumn Dec 2018 #239

No it has not been proven. Even if the numbers from the election were definitive of where JCanete Dec 2018 #213

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Dec 2018 #216

and what would those policy reasons be pray tell? This should be interesting. nt JCanete Dec 2018 #217

Denial runs deep Gothmog Dec 2018 #227

why claim something and then entirely tangent about other issues. You said policy...you JCanete Dec 2018 #235

Denial is so amusing Gothmog Dec 2018 #237

State activists question inclusivity of Sanders Institute Gathering Gothmog Dec 2018 #238

Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke Gothmog Dec 2018 #276

Nearly a third of a non-random sample. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #86

The 70 (political operatives) people have spoken! Time to pack it in! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #89

70 real people certainly are better than online clickey clackey R B Garr Dec 2018 #168

Actually worse. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #251

Online polls are a joke. When you can vote multiple times R B Garr Dec 2018 #253

Most prevent multiple voting, although indeed Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #256

I went on several of those polls and was able to vote R B Garr Dec 2018 #257

Well then you should be relieved to know Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #258

It's not a "kerfuffle". It's just a poll that you don't like. R B Garr Dec 2018 #259

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #260

No bueno R B Garr Dec 2018 #262

I try this one more time. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #263

You injected yourself and you didn't understand. R B Garr Dec 2018 #266

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #267

Lulzlolz haha R B Garr Dec 2018 #268

I just thinks it's a riot that you think your Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #269

It was obvious you thought you were being clever R B Garr Dec 2018 #270

Adios, Independent Sanders. sarcasmo Dec 2018 #87

Sorry but millions of Americans are not moving on from Sanders. We need to figure out how jalan48 Dec 2018 #100

BS is 3rd party and too Divisive. Cha Dec 2018 #130

I LOVE Bernie hueymahl Dec 2018 #101

I guess we will know if that is the case when people start voting with their pocketbooks shanny Dec 2018 #104

Are we going to repeat our stupidity leading up to the 2016 election? Cary Dec 2018 #105

Ill let the primaries resolve this question Devil Child Dec 2018 #108

My grandfather came to the US from the Netherlands when he was 16 FiveGoodMen Dec 2018 #109

I doubt that sanders will either release his tax returns or agree to be a member of the party Gothmog Dec 2018 #112

I think Bernie will run. Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #152

Time will tell Gothmog Dec 2018 #160

"or to promise to govern as a Democrat " MariePinchon Dec 2018 #161

Bernie Sanders is an Independent because he's to the left Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #173

He's comes from where the party's center used to be before guruoo Dec 2018 #187

That's not agreed upon. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #198

Name one civil rights policy he doesn't support. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #199

Lordy. I just went through this scenario with another poster. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #203

Bernie Sanders is the only likely presidential candidate Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #220

2016 LOL betsuni Dec 2018 #221

Oh? Will BS run on the 3rd party ticket? Cha Dec 2018 #181

No. That would guarantee Trump's re-election. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #222

Trump won't be running in 2020. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #232

That's what he is.. 3rd party. Cha Dec 2018 #236

I think the majority of Democrats agree. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #117

2 out of 3 voices in my head agree guruoo Dec 2018 #141

Honest headline: Poll of Democratic Insiders and Campaign Donors Finds Little Support for Sanders Rob H. Dec 2018 #122

Wrong! Women of color who wish to be heard. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #123

That's the makeup of She the People? Aimee Allison the founder is on Politico's Power List 2019. Autumn Dec 2018 #186

Aimee Allison and the other founding members are remarkable women of color. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #190

What complete nonsense. I did no such thing. Autumn Dec 2018 #195

What exactly was your point then? MariePinchon Dec 2018 #197

I commented on another posters post, that's the way these things work. Autumn Dec 2018 #200

Ok, so, defer and deflect? MariePinchon Dec 2018 #202

How so? I commented on another's post You make a false accusation Autumn Dec 2018 #223

Yes it is. katmondoo Dec 2018 #126

***FULL TAX RETURNS !!! *** uponit7771 Dec 2018 #131

I agree. Sparkly Dec 2018 #135

Amen! Anyone insinuating others are corrupt should R B Garr Dec 2018 #170

Approximately 70 respondents is your idea... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #176

I'm insulted that once again someone wants to dismiss the voices of MariePinchon Dec 2018 #192

Yeah. And oddly enough..... Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #264

It's Time.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2018 #188

Thank you. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #193

I was a delegate to the national convention and I have a very different view of bernie Gothmog Dec 2018 #215

I think JustAnotherGen Dec 2018 #218

A Bernie presidency still terrifies the establshment. zonkers Dec 2018 #226

Ah Marie, we hardly knew ye! QC Dec 2018 #241

Alas we knew her well! Autumn Dec 2018 #242

Many, many times. QC Dec 2018 #243

Ha! progressoid Dec 2018 #252

Speaking of time to move on. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #244

What happened to the OP? melman Dec 2018 #245

Why is that? George II Dec 2018 #246

Why is what? melman Dec 2018 #247

. George II Dec 2018 #248

Not sure what your point is here melman Dec 2018 #249

I know. I wanted to hear all about the POC struggling to live... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #250

That is fantastic! A livable wage should be a top priority for anyone. Autumn Dec 2018 #254

Did DU even acknowledge UNC's $15/hr in 2019? SMC22307 Dec 2018 #271

If it was posted I missed it. There not a lot of information posted anymore. Autumn Dec 2018 #272

That's true. The site has become very Tweet-driven... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #273

There are great sources to follow on Twitter and news hits fast there depending on who you Autumn Dec 2018 #274

Agree. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #275

I say we let the primaries decide. 74 women anti-Bernie is not much of a survey. Vinca Dec 2018 #261

Looks like the poster heeded her own advice and moved on. jalan48 Dec 2018 #265

CNN-Bernie Sanders Supporters should worry about Beto Gothmog Dec 2018 #277