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haele

(15,580 posts)
73. Easy - one happy family, one bad situation, and a single parent is left.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 02:40 PM
Aug 2012

First, define "Welfare" - WIC and Medicaid are not welfare; unemployment, disability, and survivor's supplimentals are not welfare, Section 8, Head Start, School Lunch programs are not welfare, most of the social safety net programs are not welfare; in fact, "Welfare", even with all the above subsidy additions may pay enough to survive, but still pays barely enough to thrive.

When people complain about "generational" welfare - which is only 5 - 10% of those who take government subsidies to survive on, they ignore the other factors that contribute to generational welfare - which is a serious lack of jobs that pay at least a living wage and a high cost of safe and reliable sustenance in the area that family is living in.

Modern "War on Poverty" welfare as we know it only came about in the 1960's - when it was recognized that there were too many widows/widowers or divorcees with dead-beat former spouses left taking care of what was once a happy family with a socially acceptable "lot of kids" that were falling through the cracks. Even into the early 1960's, when a spouse died, families were often broken up and the children sent off to relatives or given up to orphanages for adoption because there was no way for the remaining parent to take care of them. Welfare allowed that parent to keep the family together and attempt to create a stable household.

I've met far more under-graduate students, wait-staff, lower-level (including military families) and "part-time" workers who were on some form of welfare or subsidized service for the few years it took them to get their kids past the daycare stage and themselves into decent wage status than I have a "welfare queen". Most of the time, the few non-working caretakers of children on welfare I have met are the grandparents on social security who have already retired from an average job that didn't pay enough to save on, not some Reaganesque stereotype of a drug-abuser who sits on her ass with her six kids from different fathers who are all in jail or on probation. (I've only met two drug-abuser welfare types in the 45 years I've been aware of "welfare", and they were not custodial parents and on welfare for very long...)

The so-called "generational welfare" of the projects probably only consists of perhaps two actual welfare-dependent generations, and that, again, is due to the families that are trapped by living in areas where there is not enough opportunity for the people who live there to advance out of poverty/welfare and not enough resources to move out.
Before WWII, the families of the extremely or chronically poor used to just live in the shadows and alleys, often sterilized for "their own good", and have their children taken from them to be raised by charity and sent off to labor in farms and rural work camps (again, "for their own good&quot or in most cases, thrown out on the street when they got too old to stay at the orphanage where they had gotten a very minimal training on how to survive without turning to begging or crime. Now, these poor were warehoused into projects, still with no way to make a living beyond the walls of the apartment they were given to live in.

Oddly enough, in the 1990's, the focus was on the increasing amount of working middle class (often formerly union) families with severely disabled children divorcing because the health care benefits that used to be taken for granted were being eroded (along with the pensions and other benefits) in the name of corporate profits; getting divorced and going on welfare while whichever parent had the job paid minimal child support guaranteed that your child would be treated and you could all still live at home - while not doing so guaranteed that you were faced with a grim choice, your family would go bankrupt and lose the house, or your disabled child will either die or have to be turned over to the state.

So if they're trying to get on their feet, there's a lot of good reasons for a single parent to go on some sort of welfare or subsidy. In fact, over the past fifty years or so, a good 90% of applicants are still only on "welfare" for an average of six years while they get on their feet, get a little ahead and start paying taxes again.

So let's just use that bright neon paint reflecting the very few who, for whatever reason, can't get their act together at all, to brush over all of the people who need assistance - those who would rather be dealing with the cost of living via the living-wage jobs and benefits that Corporate America is not otherwised prepared to bring to their community. Companies aren't charities, and have no reason to actually spend profits they made off their workforce to invest in the communities they operate in, right?

After all, other righteous, hard-working Americans who haven't fallen down(yet) need some excuse to hold up when talking about how all those "lazy poor people" shouldn't be coddled for all the mistakes they must have made to get them into that situation.

Tough love, baby, that's what they all need - tough love. Just like during the Gilded Age...

Haele

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I'd bet a sizeable sum reflection Aug 2012 #1
Bingo Berlum Aug 2012 #9
Yep, he's a liar. He knows no such person. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #12
Good one. I think I'll start asking for names also. n/t reflection Aug 2012 #13
man you're quick on your feet barbtries Aug 2012 #68
yup, adopting that tactic here, too! brilliant! pnwest Aug 2012 #79
There's a regular poster on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune website who claims to be the manager Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #38
There is a group of hateful jerks on my local paper site who complain about food stamps proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #40
It's not that hard... jmowreader Aug 2012 #60
I don't look at ANYONE'S card. I don't believe that's any of my business. proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #61
great observation backwoodsbob Aug 2012 #2
The Mythical Welfare Queen Invented By The GOP Back In The Reagan Days, the more things change..... OverBurn Aug 2012 #3
Invented long before that - 1930's unc70 Aug 2012 #30
Thank you for that additional context JHB Aug 2012 #34
Yes, god forbid his tax dollars feed American children instead of blowing up Afghan children. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #4
Or pumping up Oil company profits n/t n2doc Aug 2012 #45
^^^^^^ kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #56
I've heard multiple times that every illegal alien got a car, a free apartment, jsr Aug 2012 #5
Your words wouldn't have gotten through Courtesy Flush Aug 2012 #6
I challenged a couple Facebook friends to give me one example of a conservative that brewens Aug 2012 #78
The real 'Welfare Queens' are the Banks, Corporations and Special Interests. formercia Aug 2012 #7
I try to frame it differently. Blanks Aug 2012 #8
Good one nt Courtesy Flush Aug 2012 #14
Childless people might gripe when it's true that flamingdem Aug 2012 #10
"unless you have a child - at least for Medicaid in many states. " dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #16
single adult males with permanent disabilities yes 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #17
Max food stamps for family of 7 is $816, not $1,000 Hamlette Aug 2012 #11
depends on state my brother married, 5 kids ,and gets $1200/mo JesterCS Aug 2012 #21
true Hamlette Aug 2012 #43
That's a great story and meshes with my multiple experiences. Along those lines, coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #22
"There are none so blind . . ." CrispyQ Aug 2012 #46
my dad was just the opposite, he got more liberal Hamlette Aug 2012 #57
People like this woman you are referring to meanit Aug 2012 #54
she knows you're lying barbtries Aug 2012 #70
People like that suck the energy right out of me lunatica Aug 2012 #15
It also makes me crazy that people like that SheilaT Aug 2012 #18
Geez, now you're sounding like his greedy lazy welfare queen ex-wives... hunter Aug 2012 #31
Bravo! CrispyQ Aug 2012 #47
A suggestion: sometimes a picture will get through even when people otherwise ignore words. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #19
Should've called him a stupid repig who doesn't belong in a democratic society just1voice Aug 2012 #20
i have a question. why is it okay to have okieinpain Aug 2012 #23
excuse me? FirstLight Aug 2012 #24
so people can just do whatever the hell they want okieinpain Aug 2012 #50
When your husband dies prematurely. IggleDoer Aug 2012 #25
Welfare queen on the GOP ticket smaug Aug 2012 #28
it's nice that everyone is down with taking care of people okieinpain Aug 2012 #52
Your words... YvonneCa Aug 2012 #55
you're right about finding solutions and throwing okieinpain Aug 2012 #59
It is OK because we live in a cicilized society. Webster Green Aug 2012 #29
so everyone can just forget about being responsible okieinpain Aug 2012 #51
Easy - one happy family, one bad situation, and a single parent is left. haele Aug 2012 #73
mom and food stamps.. billky Aug 2012 #26
I always try to talk about different kinds of "welfare" --an elderly woman LuckyLib Aug 2012 #27
Yes, it seems like there's never a good enough reason to be on public assistance truth2power Aug 2012 #36
i think you are missing the point... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #32
And yet those who most strongly state that policy are the most adamant against abortion and b/c.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #33
you're just assuming that... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #62
Paul Ryan has sponsored a bill to make abortion illegal even in cases of rape or incest.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #64
what are you talking about? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #69
Let's just say that this mother is on welfare, which we have no way of knowing, truth2power Aug 2012 #35
well I'm an advocate of judging it case by case basis... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #63
Given how our social safety net has been rendered nearly ineffective truth2power Aug 2012 #71
why can't we talk about both? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #72
Each child is a tragedy and a hope... druidity33 Aug 2012 #37
I didn't say any of that...I take a case by case approach.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #65
yes, but druidity33 Aug 2012 #75
yes I know people on welfare and yeah i realize people can fall on hard times... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #80
So what do you recommend Green_Lantern? NNN0LHI Aug 2012 #48
nice hyperbole that ignores the problem.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #66
Right wing talking point treestar Aug 2012 #58
it is a right wing thing? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #67
No that people can be certain of their finances for the next 18 years treestar Aug 2012 #74
The fascinating thing is Republicans want it both ways. Amak8 Aug 2012 #39
RW assholes have called me a "welfare queen" because I get an SSI check... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #41
We own a small retail shop in our local community. Doremus Aug 2012 #42
It wouldn't matter ... GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #44
So many levels of hypocrisy BarackTheVote Aug 2012 #49
As long as the woman is white and middle class, they're all for her staying home Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #53
If you could just stuff them all back in the womb he might be willing to double it to 2on2u Aug 2012 #76
I agree with your calculations, but we should not deny there is a real problem here BlueStreak Aug 2012 #77
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