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theboss

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Wed Feb 6, 2019, 06:37 PM

Feb 2019

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Why don't we give the right-wing another tool to oppress women?

I know, if you can't decide to abort in 90 days, you ran out of time. Sorry. It's 2019. We have the technology to know everything by then.

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My opinion of Vanessa Tyson's allegation against Justin Fairfax [View all] Yosemito Feb 2019 OP

How is this different from the allegations of Christine Blasey Ford vs. Brett Kavanaugh? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #1

I can think of one (D)ifference Bonx Feb 2019 #3

Kavanaugh's behavior was part of a pattern of drunken misbehavior with other women besides Ford. pnwmom Feb 2019 #8

This is true, and I'm not saying Fairfax shouldn't be believed, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #12

But other witnesses with similar stories is legally considered a type of corroborating evidence.n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #15

A consistent pattern of behavior is corroborating evidence EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22

Believe Her Bonx Feb 2019 #13

Yeah, I did. In her statement she says she suppressed her memory over all those years. pnwmom Feb 2019 #19

I was struck by the discrepancy of whether they kept in touch or not after the convention. LisaM Feb 2019 #29

Right. That is another question. And did she really want to meet his mother? pnwmom Feb 2019 #37

Another good point. LisaM Feb 2019 #47

I did. Repressed memories? Nope. n/t kcr Feb 2019 #28

Hmmm? She was working with sex assault victims and had been... brush Feb 2019 #108

Maybe she had 'the vapors' Bonx Feb 2019 #151

I was against Kavanaugh because he's a right wing nut Yosemito Feb 2019 #4

Interesting choice of words. Telling, really. n/t demmiblue Feb 2019 #9

I don't get it Yosemito Feb 2019 #16

DING DING DING DING DING jberryhill Feb 2019 #10

There was circumstantial evidence to support her claims and. underthematrix Feb 2019 #5

Except Ellison had two accusors with similar stories theboss Feb 2019 #25

I didn't know there was a second accuser. The focus underthematrix Feb 2019 #38

Link? Charlotte Little Feb 2019 #72

For one thing, Kavanaugh had a history of drunken misbehavior, as with the woman at Yale pnwmom Feb 2019 #6

For one thing, Ford wasn't an adult kcr Feb 2019 #7

She did speak out before he became famous. She told people before he was nominated. There were Squinch Feb 2019 #14

Two big differences: Ford was 14 or 15, Tyson was 25. Ford's encounter with Kavanaugh was in 1982, EffieBlack Feb 2019 #21

That's true. I was just commenting on the criteria in the OP, which were limited to The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #24

I don't understand how the age differences are remotely significant? theboss Feb 2019 #27

Because a 14 year old is a child who likely does not have the emotional maturity or wherewithal EffieBlack Feb 2019 #30

When did we start having a standard for how women "handle" rape? theboss Feb 2019 #31

When Fairfax allegedly attacked Tyson, Tyson had already been working with victims pnwmom Feb 2019 #39

You said that you could tell when a woman was credible in an accusation, and not out "for revenge." ehrnst Feb 2019 #159

BS. Education does not equal self-defense. What field was she trained in? Hand to hand combat? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #44

You misunderstood my post and what I was responding to EffieBlack Feb 2019 #52

He was a colleague and they were at the DNC convention. irresistable Feb 2019 #55

Apples and Oranges bpj62 Feb 2019 #66

We don't have to see the cases identically regardless of politics treestar Feb 2019 #143

Can we admit that we are all making this up as we go? theboss Feb 2019 #145

It started consensually which makes it harder treestar Feb 2019 #147

People aren't "consistent" and sexual assault isn't "consistent." ehrnst Feb 2019 #161

Ford was very credible... lame54 Feb 2019 #36

It isn't different. Kavanaugh went on to the Supreme Court. ooky Feb 2019 #70

It's not Dorian Gray Feb 2019 #86

Your trying to be apolitical is commendable at140 Feb 2019 #154

Look, Dorian Gray Feb 2019 #158

Your memory is faulty. Dr. Ford did confide with her therapist and husband... brush Feb 2019 #93

True, but I think the OP was referring to contemporaneous reports. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #99

Therapy in 2012. brush Feb 2019 #110

Ford specifically asked for it NOT to be publicized. Chemisse Feb 2019 #134

case by case basis treestar Feb 2019 #137

That's exactly why the OP's criteria are problematic. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #142

Not all of us thought those allegations Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #152

Kavanaugh shouldn't have been appointed because he's a judicial right-wing radical, even apart The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #153

Blasey Ford told other people about what happened before Kavanaugh came into the spotlight ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #162

Exactly. underthematrix Feb 2019 #2

My opinion: reporting sexual assault is almost as traumatic as sexual assault. I do not Squinch Feb 2019 #11

Was the statement made via the WaPo? That's the only place I can find... LAS14 Feb 2019 #17

I saw it in WaPo Yosemito Feb 2019 #18

It's 50/50 at this point madville Feb 2019 #20

So you support Kavanaugh, right? theboss Feb 2019 #23

No. He's an ultra right winger Yosemito Feb 2019 #53

So you support slurring him on general principal? theboss Feb 2019 #54

You need to rewind Yosemito Feb 2019 #56

Nah. I like it as it is theboss Feb 2019 #57

Ok then Yosemito Feb 2019 #67

Then you like logical fallacies. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #167

Here's her statement from Politico. You don't have to pay WaPo $1. LAS14 Feb 2019 #26

I'm distraught. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #32

If this were a trial, we could watch and listen to each of them... LAS14 Feb 2019 #33

A trial 13 years later? Yosemito Feb 2019 #34

Exactly. There will be no trial. I wasn't suggesting there should be. nt LAS14 Feb 2019 #35

Well that's what they did to Bill Cosby. underthematrix Feb 2019 #43

No. There were 50-some women who came forward against Cosny. brush Feb 2019 #119

My point was about the statute of limitations underthematrix Feb 2019 #166

We need to get to a point, and I think 2019 is a good place to start maxrandb Feb 2019 #40

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. theboss Feb 2019 #42

This is not about oppressing women. underthematrix Feb 2019 #46

It's 15 years later! theboss Feb 2019 #49

They investigated Bill Cosby cases, some were underthematrix Feb 2019 #50

Actually that is a very good point. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #60

Are you a male? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #45

Yes. A male and a retired Naval Officer and a Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Officer maxrandb Feb 2019 #73

"Quite a difference between taking an accusation seriously, and demanding the head of the accused." EffieBlack Feb 2019 #79

Thank you. You should make this an OP hueymahl Feb 2019 #156

I'm an African American woman and I agree with you. underthematrix Feb 2019 #48

I agree, too EffieBlack Feb 2019 #81

Excellent point maxrandb Feb 2019 #105

I agree. Flame away. Also, if someone if being an ass, tell them! ecstatic Feb 2019 #71

Most ignorant statement of the week. Squinch Feb 2019 #74

I don't know...maybe until your post maxrandb Feb 2019 #76

You say you fully understand the reluctance of victims about coming forward. Your Squinch Feb 2019 #78

And you presume you know anything about me or my experiences maxrandb Feb 2019 #101

And you fucking don't know anything about the reluctance of rape victims to come forward. Squinch Feb 2019 #106

I was once brought in to work with a large institution that had a huge problem with sexual assaults EffieBlack Feb 2019 #111

And yet, he could not lose. Squinch Feb 2019 #114

Yes, you could lose maxrandb Feb 2019 #144

I agree on police report soon after at140 Feb 2019 #155

What a bunch of BS. Come back and talk to us after you have been raped and degraded by the system. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #41

Judge: "I was never raped so the guy is guilty " Yosemito Feb 2019 #58

Oh, sweet Jesus. Step the hell away from the keyboard. Squinch Feb 2019 #94

I am certainly old enough to remember the days when police departments ignored sexual assault Blue_true Feb 2019 #51

You seriously believe this? May I introduce you to a little place called Baylor University? theboss Feb 2019 #59

Look at what happened to the careers of the people in power that ignored the women. Blue_true Feb 2019 #62

They are all interviewing for new jobs theboss Feb 2019 #63

Jobs that they won't get. Their past will follow them to their graves, as it should. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #64

I have no doubt that Art Briles will coach in D1 again theboss Feb 2019 #65

And the university power brokers that hire him. Blue_true Feb 2019 #68

And Baylor is a reason to ruin Faifax's life? maxrandb Feb 2019 #75

And I'm old enough to remember a time... regnaD kciN Feb 2019 #113

DU members seem to be all over the place on Fairfax. Blue_true Feb 2019 #128

There's a real problem here. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2019 #61

Woldn't her years of working with sex assault victims... brush Feb 2019 #139

Perhaps, Eyeball_Kid Feb 2019 #163

Sweet Fucking Jesus LexVegas Feb 2019 #69

1) What is your gender please? 2) Are you the victim of LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Feb 2019 #82

Isn't the person who said that someone different than the OP? LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #85

Oh, oops. I'm the one getting drowsy! I'll self delete. Thanks for the heads up. Squinch Feb 2019 #89

1) Irrelevant 2) Irrelevant Yosemito Feb 2019 #136

I asked those questions to start a discussion, but LuckyCharms Feb 2019 #150

This is one ugly-ass motherfucking thread Codeine Feb 2019 #80

" 2) Did she sustain injuries during the alleged assault?" DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #83

Yeah, that was the worst... The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #90

When I was 17 or so I was in an emergency room waiting room in Daytona Beach. Florida. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #96

This sucks jcgoldie Feb 2019 #84

The number of false rape allegations are small. I saw the figure of three percent. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #91

It could be that she's not lying but not reporting facts as they happened. I recommend... LAS14 Feb 2019 #103

Spend some time working at a rape crisis center. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #88

oh for fucks sake jcgoldie Feb 2019 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #95

Are we to interpret this to mean that you know the answer... LAS14 Feb 2019 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author jcgoldie Feb 2019 #102

She's asking an honest question EffieBlack Feb 2019 #104

Maybe I'm naive.. HipChick Feb 2019 #125

Not according to her she didn't. jcgoldie Feb 2019 #135

It's a She said: He Said HipChick Feb 2019 #141

correct jcgoldie Feb 2019 #148

Fairfax's accuser's actions are a separate issue from whether a woman can be forced to Squinch Feb 2019 #140

I'm sorry you deleted response #102 because.... LAS14 Feb 2019 #138

I don't think this is groundbreaking whatesoever jcgoldie Feb 2019 #146

Thanks for the response, but I have to say that my motivation... LAS14 Feb 2019 #157

In the absence of fear of injury or loss of life, I agree that it's .. LAS14 Feb 2019 #97

Perhaps it has something to do with the difference in size and strength and intimidation. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #107

In prison men are sometimes forced to fellate other men. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #109

I am getting the feeling that our fellow DUer wants to believe that the woman really wanted Squinch Feb 2019 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #116

In your scenario would you be more likely to believe the survivor DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #122

Thanks for having this convo with me...but conversations such as this... UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #131

DemocratSinceBirth's point is a good one. Would you injure someone who outweighed Squinch Feb 2019 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #117

Well, aren't you the bad ass. I guess all those women who don't do that just really Squinch Feb 2019 #118

In the bad old days it was expected for women to risk their lives to protect their honor. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #120

And, as that poster is implying, if she did not risk her life, that means she cooperated in the Squinch Feb 2019 #127

I agree jcgoldie Feb 2019 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #124

Well then what ARE you saying? You seem to think that forced fellatio is not possible. Squinch Feb 2019 #132

Good God theboss Feb 2019 #126

I saw it, and I totally agree with you. Squinch Feb 2019 #133

Do you also not understand EllieBC Feb 2019 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #130

You are wrong. Victims often remain silent and never discuss it. Joe941 Feb 2019 #129

Yet why did he embellish his story to say that WaPo Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #149

Some of these responses are freaking antediluvian. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #160

And... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #164

According to JBerryHill, the statute of limitations has not yet run on this EffieBlack Feb 2019 #165

I don't really have an opinion either way yet. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #168