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46. What breeds true cynicism in politics

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:00 AM

Feb 2019

Is when one party capitulates continually to traitors that run the other party.

Like the man said, "The position seems to be "well, you got us. Our politician is a flawed human being. Therefore we are going to throw away all of the work, money, and time spent getting them elected. And be sure to vote for Democrats next time, it's totally worth it."

Why bother if we're going to purge our own winners after every election based on pubican ratfcking?

No human is perfect. Staying true to our values doesn't mean creating the perfect human being because if it does, we might as well hand over control to the gop right now. They're concerned with winning not values or perfection. And I'm sure you can see the results of allowing them to cheat their way to power. Those results from pubican policies put in place after they cheated their way to power are far more offensive to women and minorities than the allegations against our own.

What outcome are you looking for? Where is the righteous outrage against gop politicians? We're losing seats we've already won!
They're cheating their way to more power. This will not end well but hey, you'll still have your values.

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Can the Democratic Party disapprove of something/someone and also not give up power? [View all] ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 OP

Exactly LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #1

Right? ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #3

Hell, professor, it was last week! Texin Feb 2019 #41

good point, sadly ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #52

+1 EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #76

I'm just not a fan of hypocrisy HopeAgain Feb 2019 #2

Neither am I. When you find a political system that allows for the drafting of perfect candidates LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #6

So that goes for Republicans too? HopeAgain Feb 2019 #13

Actually, yes. But, again, this is not about candidates for cannonization. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #20

Rs are much more savvy about strategy, while "good guys finish last" Dems keep getting trampled on EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #78

Asking that our candidates have no history of overt racism or misogyny is not asking for perfection. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #123

i agree, for the most part ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #129

Did the OP suggest that we should be hypocrites? There have been times... LAS14 Feb 2019 #7

Funny, I never saw a post like that HopeAgain Feb 2019 #15

I refrain from posting anything to suggest that Republicans... LAS14 Feb 2019 #21

THIS! LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #53

Thanks! Glad to hear from you!! LAS14 Feb 2019 #65

if the alternative is to richly reward a group of ultra-hypocritical ratfuckers ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #8

Ratfuckers who specialize in whataboutism HopeAgain Feb 2019 #16

Hypocrisy isn't taking a sledge hammer to fruit flies. There's wisdom in moderation uponit7771 Feb 2019 #9

Moderation or HopeAgain Feb 2019 #17

Moderation here would be an investigation by the DNC like Ellison. White privilege wouldn't exist uponit7771 Feb 2019 #19

Investigation by the Party? HopeAgain Feb 2019 #24

all of the minorities in VA you would hand into the tender mercies of the GOP ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #27

That's crap HopeAgain Feb 2019 #28

"we are going to become just as bad" - evidence for that? ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #31

Not to 100% perfection treestar Feb 2019 #92

Balcony. idahoblue Feb 2019 #127

These are arguments for political expediency HopeAgain Feb 2019 #132

We're handing over the minorities to the GOP? theboss Feb 2019 #45

I know, right? HopeAgain Feb 2019 #133

Of course it's harder to be principled but principled doesn't mean taking a sledge hammer to fruit uponit7771 Feb 2019 #32

+1 EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #80

Nancy has no business meddling in a state government issue. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #138

that's an interesting way to frame it ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #25

White male privilege HopeAgain Feb 2019 #37

Again, all of the black people in VA who would get hosed because of this ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #38

Like I said HopeAgain Feb 2019 #39

And by the time we accomplish that change, my daughter will be facing a world in which LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #56

Hopefully HopeAgain Feb 2019 #58

You don't get it; McCarthyist purity witch-hunts never stop with the bad cases LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #62

Why does the consequence always have to be lose the office? treestar Feb 2019 #94

You've hit it. Lesser consequences. That's what I'm saying ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #96

It is a matter of how it is handled..... doompatrol39 Feb 2019 #4

I agree, the governor really handled it badly. ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #10

His press conference was the very definition of cringeworthy rpannier Feb 2019 #44

Byrd is a perfect example ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #12

Absolutely!!! Very well stated. And we'd better start doing it! Loss of job for any ... LAS14 Feb 2019 #5

+1. Why must the penalty be death for every offense? dalton99a Feb 2019 #11

"zero tolerance"? ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #33

Proportional to the "crime"? Nt spooky3 Feb 2019 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author NCChomskyan Feb 2019 #14

No we can't. Social media has conditioned us otherwise jberryhill Feb 2019 #18

Excellent useful term, "outrage amplification." Did you come up with it? nt LAS14 Feb 2019 #22

I dunno jberryhill Feb 2019 #49

I believe the Fairfax accuser Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #23

For me, it's the opposite, I believe him, not her CTAtheist Feb 2019 #137

It looks to me like that might be exactly what is happening. Skinner Feb 2019 #26

I'm actually surprised he has held out this long. ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #29

It's not as if it requires any effort jberryhill Feb 2019 #50

I agree awesomerwb1 Feb 2019 #30

I've been avoiding having any opinion of the Virginia situation In It to Win It Feb 2019 #34

A slight hypocrisy compared to the treestar Feb 2019 #99

Agreed. However, I don't think their hypocrisy justifies our hypocrisy. In It to Win It Feb 2019 #107

It's got to be weighed treestar Feb 2019 #112

A big difference that I think has been overlooked spooky3 Feb 2019 #101

I think it has been proven that students chose the pictures for their page ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #108

Where is this proof? I have not seen any re:Northam. Thx. spooky3 Feb 2019 #110

I'll dig it up - supposedly the editor of the yearbook described the process ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #113

here's one story on it ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #114

Thank you; I had not seen the comments spooky3 Feb 2019 #118

sure, republicans do that regularly to hold power bigtree Feb 2019 #35

your attitude takes a huge dump on the will of the voters ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #36

your 'attitude' immediately disregards that constituency bigtree Feb 2019 #42

I'm fine with having a better/perfect person inhabit a Democratic governorship in VA ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #51

that would be a consequence of the pols behavior bigtree Feb 2019 #57

imagine you are a VA voter, and you have to vote between two white guys ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #67

all I see is a whitewash bigtree Feb 2019 #73

What breeds true cynicism in politics DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #46

keeping bad people in our party in power won't change the republican party bigtree Feb 2019 #47

Neither will defenestrating every Democratic politician who has ever made a bad decision ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #54

we seem to have held up so far to the values people are demanding in Va. out of the elected Dems bigtree Feb 2019 #61

Have we? ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #64

either you think our party is morally compromised or not bigtree Feb 2019 #68

uh, no. I'm saying you don't know how flawed they are or not ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #79

If he is currently voting as a non-racist treestar Feb 2019 #102

'voting as a non-racist' bigtree Feb 2019 #109

What has he done in the past year? treestar Feb 2019 #111

lol bigtree Feb 2019 #115

what? treestar Feb 2019 #116

I'm not interested in discussing this with you bigtree Feb 2019 #117

Handing power over to the TRULY evil pubicans DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #59

that would be a consequence of these pols' behaviors bigtree Feb 2019 #63

It's not "cold"! ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #66

This is exactly how pootin and trump stole the last election DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #69

nonsense bigtree Feb 2019 #71

It had to do with divide and conquer DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #93

you have to make your own determination about what's important to you bigtree Feb 2019 #106

Thanks for the advice DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #120

you jumped into the middle of this discussion bigtree Feb 2019 #121

So did everyone else DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #122

'my capitalist underpants?' bigtree Feb 2019 #124

yeah, thanks again DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #126

cause and effect bigtree Feb 2019 #70

Ok then, find me some non-flawed politicians and I'll get right on it ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #75

amazing how concerns are reduced to political calculations bigtree Feb 2019 #81

uh. Duh. Political calculations are rather important ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #86

and you must wonder why those policies don't get implemented bigtree Feb 2019 #91

Was Northam implementing the New Jim Crow in VA or something? ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #95

Northam has an issue with truthfulness bigtree Feb 2019 #105

+1 DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #97

There's always a balance treestar Feb 2019 #103

What are their current positions on the issues? treestar Feb 2019 #100

I do believe it is time DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #40

I agree ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #43

It's up to Virginia and the voters there. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #48

Which politicians did more than "express an opinion"? brooklynite Feb 2019 #55

You can thank the advent of social media for that. defacto7 Feb 2019 #77

Thank you. One of the things that bothered me about the spooky3 Feb 2019 #119

medicaid expansion was huge and it took northham to do it questionseverything Feb 2019 #128

this. nt Baltimike Feb 2019 #60

Nailed it. "Democrats would rather be beyond reproach than in power." EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #72

What needs to happen? Tom Perez needs to declare an approach - a fighting approach? I say yes. EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #74

Well said. yeah, I worry that that kind of waste in pursuit of purity ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #83

I fully agree. EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #85

Walk AND chew gum? Are you mad? jberryhill Feb 2019 #82

lol ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #89

LOL! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #136

Yes! There has to be some other way to punish them! treestar Feb 2019 #84

Yes it can, or should. shanny Feb 2019 #87

well said. ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #90

+1 LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #104

I would not be surprised if the Dems just let the GOP have the state even with Gerrymandering discus lancelyons Feb 2019 #88

IMO this can be pretty much boiled down to DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #125

I trust the Democrats are digging into Kirk Cox's past dflprincess Feb 2019 #130

There's ratfucking, hard core racism, then there's Duppers Feb 2019 #131

Bill Clinton was a flawed person too TheRealNorth Feb 2019 #134

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #135