Why is it sexist to suggest that a female boss can be horrible? Male bosses can be horrible; (Reply #95)

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #93)

Sun Feb 24, 2019, 12:28 PM

The Velveteen Ocelot (91,507 posts)

95. Why is it sexist to suggest that a female boss can be horrible? Male bosses can be horrible;

why can't women? I've had a few really horrible male bosses. (I've never had a truly horrible female boss, though I've had a couple I didn't care much for.) If a female boss throws things and screams at her employees is that OK? IMO it's not OK, just as it wouldn't be OK if a man did it. Female bosses can be horrible as that quality is objectively observed. That's because they're human beings, all of whom, regardless of gender, are capable of bad behavior. Don't you think it's sexist to suggest that no woman can ever be an objectively bad boss?

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67 year old woman here..long and varied work history...Most of my female bosses were horrid. [View all]	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	OP
Women bosses can be really shitty to other women, men bosses can be shitty to women and men,	elleng	Feb 2019	#1
That statement got me thinking...	BigmanPigman	Feb 2019	#2
My women bosses were absent and my worst male boss was afraid	mahina	Feb 2019	#4
In men dominated businesses, women have to prove themselves and do much more to be viewed on par.	TheBlackAdder	Feb 2019	#21
HUMANS (male & female) CAN BE "REAL SHITTY" TO WILDLIFE! WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE:	Jeffersons Ghost	Feb 2019	#30
Why did you post this here?	procon	Feb 2019	#47
This message was self-deleted by its author	tenderfoot	Feb 2019	#84
Thanks 'so much' for your non-responsive reply.	elleng	Feb 2019	#138
Please remove this image. It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. n/r	Ms. Toad	Feb 2019	#154
I've alerted on it	Frank Leemydear	Feb 2019	#226
Chinese satellites preventing concentration on topic at hand?	LanternWaste	Feb 2019	#199
That's nice	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#3
Lucky duck.	mahina	Feb 2019	#5
That's good.	Croney	Feb 2019	#65
My teenaged daughter and I just watched that	janterry	Feb 2019	#115
Thanks Pixar. Pretty good !	mahina	Feb 2019	#129
Right.	Laffy Kat	Feb 2019	#6
I wasn't raised to judge bosses...my mom or Nanas never worked...	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#11
whatever	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#43
?????	elias7	Feb 2019	#46
Any one makes claims that the OP did is dealing in women bashing in my opinon...what is there to	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#51
I agree. What could possibly be the aim here, other than to say that women don't make	Squinch	Feb 2019	#53
It sure is...your sex does not determine you ability to be a boss or president for that matter.	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#54
No one is saying that gender determines ability to lead	elias7	Feb 2019	#185
Change the word "woman" to "Black or Latina" and think about it.	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#186
The OP is perpetuating sexist bullshit, based on anecdotal experience. This is the same kind of	still_one	Feb 2019	#156
I know, right? To be so dismissive of a woman's opinion and...	Beartracks	Feb 2019	#122
Spot on.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#24
So the OP is incapable of identifying difficult people on her own?	Beartracks	Feb 2019	#121
I worked for close to 50 years, a mix of men and women, and I couldn't characterize...	George II	Feb 2019	#161
What is the point of the OP and the conversation in the first place?	Eliot Rosewater	Feb 2019	#201
Well spotted, Eliot	Hekate	Feb 2019	#218
This nt	lillypaddle	Feb 2019	#215
Some of my best bosses were women, some of the worst	Drahthaardogs	Feb 2019	#7
I've had two female bosses my entire life.	Glamrock	Feb 2019	#8
I can't think of a woman boss I have had that was bad. And some were fabulous. I have had	Squinch	Feb 2019	#9
For the last 15 years of my job I knew more than all my bosses and supervisors	lunatica	Feb 2019	#10
I had one lady boss at an Ins Agency when I was early 20s	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#12
I've had very few female bosses, but they rank among the worst I've ever had.	milestogo	Feb 2019	#13
A long time ago, I worked in a bank. My supervisor was a woman, and her boss was, too.	Aristus	Feb 2019	#14
My best boss was a woman and my worst boss was a woman.	jalan48	Feb 2019	#15
Only had one woman boss, a sweet grandma when I was a a just-divorced 33 yo....	Hekate	Feb 2019	#16
I've heard that	ismnotwasm	Feb 2019	#17
Some women nurses are really difficult with women doctors	RockCreek	Feb 2019	#37
This is a thing	treestar	Feb 2019	#88
Had great female and male bosses and many that weren't so great	Jake Stern	Feb 2019	#18
Totally agree nt	Raine	Feb 2019	#19
I think some people are just corrupt with how they use power	Beringia	Feb 2019	#20
Sure, tell the truth, but be up front. Don't hide behind anonymity	question everything	Feb 2019	#22
I've had 3 female bosses; 2 bad and 1 good. n/t	area51	Feb 2019	#23
So...based on your personal experiences	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#79
What triggered you to write this OP? Are you writing a memoire?	SharonClark	Feb 2019	#25
Title:	betsuni	Feb 2019	#29
perhaps you have writing talent, also !!	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#35
...	betsuni	Feb 2019	#48
what language are you speaking here...	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#52
LOL	betsuni	Feb 2019	#62
That's pretty nasty	LiberalLovinLug	Feb 2019	#153
Oh dear me!	NurseJackie	Feb 2019	#205
Unbelievable...I hate this post and it pisses me off to see such a post from a liberal	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#41
tone it down there kid...	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#59
Say what you want but this discourages women as bosses and as presidential candidates... I have to	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#61
once again my post was MY personal history	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#94
You are saying that women bosses are shitty...using your personal history.There is a difference.	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#98
what part of MY experiences are you not getting?	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#100
100% this	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#42
BINGO	sorcrow	Feb 2019	#49
Nailed it.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#50
Same here.	LakeArenal	Feb 2019	#105
My thinking exactly.	PoindexterOglethorpe	Feb 2019	#159
Agreed, I have a "friend" who has 6 bothers and siters who all "all mean"	womanofthehills	Feb 2019	#181
I am a writer	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#34
Are you? What do you write? I would love to read some of your work.	PTWB	Feb 2019	#109
I doubt you will get an answer.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#165
Here is some of her work:	demmiblue	Feb 2019	#182
Wow. Just wow.	PTWB	Feb 2019	#208
Plagiarism seems a habit	lillypaddle	Feb 2019	#216
I'm sorry to have to say this, but a good writer does not use ellipses the way you do.	athena	Feb 2019	#114
Thank you. I was just debating whether to post something to that effect.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#123
Thank you.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#166
Maybe because it is in the news now. What a rude question. nt	USALiberal	Feb 2019	#85
Just another "Not THAT woman" screed. n/m	RhodeIslandOne	Feb 2019	#189
Female bosses? They're still bosses.	dchill	Feb 2019	#26
'Lady boss': horrid, jealous, crazy, petty, nasty, pathetic, shitty, bullies.	betsuni	Feb 2019	#27
My Mom said this to me AT THE TIME..I was in my 30s	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#32
Funny, I rarely see male bosses subjected to such ...like wow male bossess are really shitty.	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#40
Yes it does	Bradshaw3	Feb 2019	#82
Yeah, I am with you on this one.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#39
If absolutely all your female bosses were awful,	KitSileya	Feb 2019	#28
good on you	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#33
My take also was your post was about Amy Klobuchar, however, my wife would second	c-rational	Feb 2019	#56
This isn't sexist drivel....	Dorian Gray	Feb 2019	#31
Well it was a mixed bag for me,	duforsure	Feb 2019	#36
It is hard to see such a post my liberal women. I have had shitty bosses of both sexes.	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#38
Thank you. nt	raccoon	Feb 2019	#168
Yeah - not so much these days	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2019	#44
My two worst bosses	get the red out	Feb 2019	#45
177 IQ?	PTWB	Feb 2019	#55
Somehow, when a person actually posts the words "I am very bright,"	Croney	Feb 2019	#68
Must be a very stable genius with	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#77
+1000	smirkymonkey	Feb 2019	#127
I always had good female bosses.	MuseRider	Feb 2019	#57
Generalization	snowybirdie	Feb 2019	#58
Nearly every boss and supervisor was pretty good on average.	Tetrachloride	Feb 2019	#60
Interestingly, almost all my bosses	mrs_p	Feb 2019	#63
I'm 69 and had the same experience	The Blue Flower	Feb 2019	#64
I think you're right about that	peggysue2	Feb 2019	#179
I was the most beautiful of all the women..... and my IQ ...higher than all of you............	womanofthehills	Feb 2019	#184
This thread makes me want to leave DU	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#66
Good article.	Croney	Feb 2019	#70
Exactly.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#71
This kind of thinking is why we have a despot in the WH	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#73
No kidding. Even a woman with an "IQ of 177" apparently is not in favor of breaking that ceiling.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#74
The "1" in front of the number	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#75
Lol, I just got what you said, but then my IQ is not 177.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#169
I AGREE	Demsrule86	Feb 2019	#96
another anecdotal experience from my wife age 64	at140	Feb 2019	#108
My first company commander was a woman...	Blanks	Feb 2019	#67
Thank you. I left a job in December after 90 days...	GreenEyedLefty	Feb 2019	#69
When your complaint is about how the story was released...	brooklynite	Feb 2019	#72
So are you in favor of a woman president?	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#76
177 IQ, eh?	Heddi	Feb 2019	#78
I currently have a male boss for the first time since 2007	underpants	Feb 2019	#80
My worst boss was male	crazycatlady	Feb 2019	#81
This message was self-deleted by its author	tenderfoot	Feb 2019	#83
What constitutes "horrible" might be in the eye of the beholder to some extent,	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#86
"To some extent"?	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#93
Why is it sexist to suggest that a female boss can be horrible? Male bosses can be horrible;	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#95
This was your sentence:	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#101
Again, how is that sexist?	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#103
Not what you said.	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#107
If I had said female bosses are objectively horrible, that would have been sexist and false.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#116
""But female bosses can be objectively horrible."	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#120
One more try and then I'm giving up.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#125
Give up. That's not what you said.	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#130
+1	Croney	Feb 2019	#126
WOW! You have an IQ of 177?	cwydro	Feb 2019	#87
Even neater	Heddi	Feb 2019	#91
my youngest sibling is near 200	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#97
Interesting, but not especially meaningful.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#111
I was just responding to a nameless faceless person on here doubting my IQ	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#118
An IQ of 177 would make you 1 in 3.5 million people	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 2019	#152
So with that level of intelligence - why so many bosses? Why were you not the boss?	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#209
You forgot to add in the photographic memory.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#221
Especially since the Stanford-Binet test tops out at 170.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#113
Really really cool	forklift	Feb 2019	#193
I am 70	HockeyMom	Feb 2019	#89
STEPHEN HAWKING IQ: PHYSICIST CALLED PEOPLE WHO BOAST ABOUT SCORE 'LOSERS'	Heddi	Feb 2019	#90
They had to increase the score ceiling because of Trump.	Oneironaut	Feb 2019	#112
Actually, there are several different IQ tests, with different "highest" scores...	Hekate	Feb 2019	#225
I'm surprised that most have been awful. I haven't had	Hortensis	Feb 2019	#92
This is such a strange post - I'm not sure what to take from it	nini	Feb 2019	#99
I think the only thing we can take from it is that the OP had bad experiences	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#106
I'm taking from it that too many DU'ers are sexist	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#110
+1	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#211
Anecdotes aren't data.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#102
It might just have been the times, bad luck	janterry	Feb 2019	#104
This post is a beautiful demonstration of why Trump is president today.	athena	Feb 2019	#117
You are so right!	lunamagica	Feb 2019	#131
Thank you for telling the truth.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#119
What truth exactly?	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#124
I never said that women should not be in management positions. That is your wrongful interpretation	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#134
This is one of the most sexist posts in	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#136
Our experiences are different. That's all.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#137
That's a cop-out excuse	JenniferJuniper	Feb 2019	#140
Omigod.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#143
Uh... You didn't say we shouldn't glorify them you vilified them.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#190
And you glorified them.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#194
I did no such thing.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#196
My apologies. I was following the thread of conversation, and not the poster.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#206
"Yes, to think that women are going to be our allies out here, is a fantasy."	demmiblue	Feb 2019	#142
It's my experiences.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#144
Most humans can see beyond their personal experiences in order to understand the broader picture.	demmiblue	Feb 2019	#147
I don't think you would apply that as a "universal truth", would you?	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#149
"Yes, to think that women are going to be our allies out here, is a fantasy."	demmiblue	Feb 2019	#150
Let's get specific.	Baitball Blogger	Feb 2019	#151
All my bosses have been women. Great people.	IluvPitties	Feb 2019	#128
So, you don't think a woman should be POTUS?	lunamagica	Feb 2019	#132
They were jelous of your 177 IQ? How did they know about it??	lunamagica	Feb 2019	#133
I said that MAY have been a reason	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#135
An IQ of 177 and you say you're "smarter than them"?	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#145
But my question was, how did they know what you IQ was?	lunamagica	Feb 2019	#162
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2019	#163
"I will bet you are a WOMAN"	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#174
I, too, wondered how many people get tested...	Phentex	Feb 2019	#207
It's totally trumpian. Also James Woods and Sharon Stone love to brag about their high IQs, but what	lunamagica	Feb 2019	#213
hahhahahahhahahaha	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#172
FWIW, I'm male and have had good and bad women bosses.	brush	Feb 2019	#139
brush, I got a strong feeling that most	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#148
Just wow.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#178
Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...	Hekate	Feb 2019	#224
I'm a man and I worked 19 years at my last company.	MicaelS	Feb 2019	#141
A mixed bag of bad bosses	happybird	Feb 2019	#146
anecdotal evidence is meaningless. I have had a varied career of over 30 years from Chemist in the	still_one	Feb 2019	#155
Now I'm reminiscing about some 40 years of bosses, bad and good.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Feb 2019	#157
My mother was one of those southern...	Duppers	Feb 2019	#158
"Nothing sexist?"	jcgoldie	Feb 2019	#160
then you would be wrong	jodymarie aimee	Feb 2019	#164
No, I guess you vote with your "IQ of 177." Right?	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#167
"I don't vote with my vagina."	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#170
Post removed	Post removed	Feb 2019	#175
Are you saying you are "gender blind?" (nt)	ehrnst	Feb 2019	#176
Jody why are you using that phrase?	irisblue	Feb 2019	#180
HAHAHAHHA I was wondering what Post Removed	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#192
I freaking hate that phrase. 👹👹👹👹👹	irisblue	Feb 2019	#197
Same!	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#212
Goodbye.	NurseJackie	Feb 2019	#204
I'd offer people donuts, but she took the box when she left.	lapucelle	Feb 2019	#222
A small price.	NurseJackie	Feb 2019	#223
+1	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#171
I bet your very pretty, 177 IQ self was just a dream to work with	TexasBushwhacker	Feb 2019	#173
I have had some really good female bosses.	Mosby	Feb 2019	#177
FFR177. n/t	demmiblue	Feb 2019	#183
Well deserved! n/t	seaglass	Feb 2019	#187
FINALLY	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#191
Oh dear. Lol.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#210
My current boss is a woman	RhodeIslandOne	Feb 2019	#188
I don't think I have had any really shitty bosses. Male or female.	LiberalFighter	Feb 2019	#195
Well at least no one asked if they should wear a swim suit.	MrsCoffee	Feb 2019	#198
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++	still_one	Feb 2019	#202
I'm in my 50s	NewJeffCT	Feb 2019	#200
61 year old woman here & I have always preferred to work with & for women.	CrispyQ	Feb 2019	#203
Most "bosses," i.e., managers	lillypaddle	Feb 2019	#214
Most of my black bosses were horrid	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#217
Amazing isnt it.	Eliot Rosewater	Feb 2019	#219
It makes my head spin, man!	obamanut2012	Feb 2019	#220
I have had both Male and Female bosses - both bad and good bosses....Whether they were good or bad	Pachamama	Feb 2019	#227
What the fresh hell is this?	liberalmuse	Feb 2019	#228
"Long and varied work history." Not what most employers consider a good work record.	Tipperary	Feb 2019	#229

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