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bitterross

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205. So, No more sweatshops if we stop buying clothes they make?

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:06 AM

Feb 2019

I would place money on the fact that every self-righteous poster on this thread has clothing made in a sweat shop. In a place where women are not trafficked for sex, but for other labor. We all know it. We've all seen the news of these places collapsing or burning down. All while the people in them burn or are buried because the doors are locked from the inside.

But we love to change what we wear as often as possible. One might say it's an addiction, a compulsion. And, it's cheap. You KNOW why it's cheap. You just ignore it.

Please feel free to compare the morality of that with the morality of employing a sex-worker or buying drugs. I look forward to the justification for ignoring the treatment of the garment-makers in Asia while at the same time being so concerned with Asian workers trafficked to this country. Which Asian woman counts more?

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Is it fair to associate "Johns" as "human/sex traffickers"? [View all] Progressive Law Feb 2019 OP

AFAIC it is. No customers, no demand to fill. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #1

Hahahahahahahahaha n/t theaocp Feb 2019 #38

Sure, WHEN customers are purchasing trafficked flesh. Hortensis Feb 2019 #60

I loathed "Pretty Woman." 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #66

"Hot" women then? Or even just still warm and breathing? :) Hortensis Feb 2019 #73

Believe it or not, women like that are out there. Blue_true Feb 2019 #159

The head of the Boston Police Anti-Human Trafficking Unit begs to differ. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #172

Thank you! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #177

I could see that DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #184

One paragraph summed it up. Blue_true Feb 2019 #188

Is it fair to call a 13 year old rape-victim a prostitute and not allow them a court date? w/link Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #280

Were you replying to my post? Doesn't look that way. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #336

+100000000 treestar Feb 2019 #198

Can't rec this enough. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #230

You touched on an unexplored area of the sex for sale industry. Blue_true Feb 2019 #157

So, No more sweatshops if we stop buying clothes they make? bitterross Feb 2019 #205

We're not being self righteous treestar Feb 2019 #264

Who do you think is in the sweat-shops? Women. bitterross Feb 2019 #352

men could be in the sweat shops too treestar Feb 2019 #355

These women are used for sex too lame54 Feb 2019 #350

Good Point /nt bitterross Feb 2019 #351

And Walmart shoppers lame54 Feb 2019 #349

If there were no johns there wouldn't be sex trafficking. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #2

I haven't read articles that associate drug users as drug traffickers though. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #4

They are just the two sides of the transaction. Neither could exist without the other. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #5

Drug users choose to risk hurting THEMSELVES when they buy what their traffickers sell. Johns Squinch Feb 2019 #34

So a person who hires an independent dominatrix, for example... IluvPitties Feb 2019 #94

The women aren't drugs. They're human beings. pnwmom Feb 2019 #242

I didn't compare women to drugs. I compared sex-for-sale to drugs. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #243

Sex for sale involves HUMAN BEINGS who are subjecting their BODIES pnwmom Feb 2019 #245

If the sex-for-sale act is consensual, how is comparing that act to illegal drugs so foreign? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #246

You spoke about trafficking in the OP. pnwmom Feb 2019 #247

You left out the role of a pimp crazycatlady Feb 2019 #273

numerous drug users sell drugs to "support their own habit rampartc Feb 2019 #56

Thank you! No demand, not Johns but drug demand also. nt allgood33 Feb 2019 #70

Johns (and addicts) will always exist. happybird Feb 2019 #138

Addicts primarily harm themselves EffieBlack Feb 2019 #140

I'm talking about basic supply and demand happybird Feb 2019 #155

Primarily is the operative word EffieBlack Feb 2019 #158

This has wandered off the point happybird Feb 2019 #182

Surely there was a time that it seemed that there would always be treestar Feb 2019 #202

Paying for a consensual, agreed upon service happybird Feb 2019 #217

Here are several types of Johns. Blue_true Feb 2019 #165

The vast majority of John's fall into the first two categories - and a couple categories EffieBlack Feb 2019 #175

Actually Effie. Blue_true Feb 2019 #183

And it is ridiculous to assume there aren't traffickers running many of the women Squinch Feb 2019 #256

Who assumed that "there aren't traffickers running many of the women... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #329

Right, we've so successfully proven that with the War on Drugs. bitterross Feb 2019 #207

Stop equating prostitution to the drug trade EffieBlack Feb 2019 #212

Clearly, you are uninformed about addiction. It is not just substances. bitterross Feb 2019 #222

Thanks for the lecture EffieBlack Feb 2019 #225

So you are a mental health professional with experience in the field? bitterross Feb 2019 #271

Sex addiction is a different issue treestar Feb 2019 #265

NO, it is not. That's the point. Addiction is Addiction. bitterross Feb 2019 #272

Addiction may be addiction, but the way society deals with it can vary depending on they type EffieBlack Feb 2019 #283

How many sex workers have you interviewed? How many Johns? bitterross Feb 2019 #298

I've worked with and advocated for hundreds of trafficking victims. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #305

That means your data points are skewed against the sex worker industry. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #320

LOL EffieBlack Feb 2019 #321

Your post does not indicate you have first hand knowledge of the consensual prostitution reality Progressive Law Feb 2019 #322

For the third time, what is YOUR experience with this topic? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #324

Already answered. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #325

Yes, I saw your "answer." EffieBlack Feb 2019 #327

By the way, my first-hand experience comes from... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #323

Oh, I see. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #326

I never said I was an expert on prostitution. I said I recognize an adult's inherent right... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #328

What other ways could people use their bodies in a way they deem proper treestar Feb 2019 #362

That they don't want or seek help treestar Feb 2019 #361

That's really great. I AM those people and have been part of them. bitterross Feb 2019 #337

you are ignoring the difference between treestar Feb 2019 #360

Clearly, your read comprehension is lacking bitterross Feb 2019 #368

They could certainly find a better way treestar Feb 2019 #370

Would not agree with what? treestar Feb 2019 #359

Question deist99 Feb 2019 #250

W/o John's there wouldn't be much business.... Historic NY Feb 2019 #3

Is it fair to wonder why the local authorities don't shut these places down? FakeNoose Feb 2019 #6

They are their best protectors dalton99a Feb 2019 #17

I used to know a sex worker addicted to heroin ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #7

Oh, god. I wish everyone would read this. I always wish that about your posts. Squinch Feb 2019 #48

So much here blm Feb 2019 #52

This is what I take from your story IluvPitties Feb 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author KentuckyWoman Feb 2019 #67

Thanks for your first-hand knowledge. Most of us have had little exposure MineralMan Feb 2019 #80

The case you describe is actually much more common than what you think. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #148

Oh I know strippers that worked their way through college ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #216

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #304

Thank you, ism Hekate Feb 2019 #143

I don't know how you escaped your situation as a street kid, pnwmom Feb 2019 #244

Yes kcr Feb 2019 #8

Is it impossible for "Johns" to be addicts as well? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #23

Addicted to prostitutes? kcr Feb 2019 #25

There is a thing called masturbation obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #41

The devil still laughs BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #57

You hear the stories about paying their way through college treestar Feb 2019 #91

If prostitution was such a great gig, why don't more men do it? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #135

Who argued that prostitution is a great gig? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #142

Really? deist99 Feb 2019 #255

That's no excuse treestar Feb 2019 #266

Maybe the solution is for men to adapt themselves instead of society adapting to their needs EffieBlack Feb 2019 #297

For heroin addicts, there is a thing called methadone. They still seek heroin though. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #129

Stop equating sex addiction with heroin addiction EffieBlack Feb 2019 #261

+1000000000000 treestar Feb 2019 #267

Sex addiction is real, but not sure what your point is... tinrobot Feb 2019 #58

kcr said one reason drug users are not considered drug traffickers is because they are addicts Progressive Law Feb 2019 #89

sex addicts don't go to prostitutes necessarily treestar Feb 2019 #95

Wouldn't a prostitute be one of the easiest sources of sex for a sex addict? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #98

Risking jail time is not exactly "easy" tinrobot Feb 2019 #114

But many drug addicts risk jail time too when they posses illegal drugs. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #117

Sex is mostly legal. Drugs mostly aren't. Big difference. tinrobot Feb 2019 #121

But many people abuse legally prescribed drugs, like Oxy. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #127

**** Hekate Feb 2019 #150

No, but then it is different treestar Feb 2019 #9

That IS the solution, but our culture simply will not allow men to be blamed for victimizing women. Squinch Feb 2019 #44

Thank you, Squinch. Most people have no idea of Temperance history in the US, nor do they know... Hekate Feb 2019 #145

Actually arresting Johns have not worked well where it was tried. Blue_true Feb 2019 #176

Arresting johns doesn't work well because whenever it happens EffieBlack Feb 2019 #179

Effie. Blue_true Feb 2019 #195

Those women are still being damaged treestar Feb 2019 #197

It comes down to views. Blue_true Feb 2019 #200

I dunno treestar Feb 2019 #203

I agree on the cost. Blue_true Feb 2019 #206

Sound like deist99 Feb 2019 #270

You're equating sex trafficking with having an abortion? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #278

No deist99 Feb 2019 #282

So you're equating abortion with prostitution. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #284

If two consenting adults have sex it is ok wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #10

They're not paying for sex EffieBlack Feb 2019 #11

your assuming things. Mosby Feb 2019 #15

I didn't say they were sex trafficking EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20

When you frequent a place that is obviously a slave ring...than you are as guilty as those who Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #32

What about women who go to legal male brothels in Nevada? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #65

What about them? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #71

Should they be treated as sex traffickers as well? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #141

like the ones owned by the now dead rapist Dennis Hoff ? JI7 Feb 2019 #133

If someone is turning tricks because meadowlander Feb 2019 #224

There's a big element of Puritanism in the attacks on johns and prostitution DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #12

Not for me ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #13

My opposition to it has nothing to do with puritism, something I'm not prone to EffieBlack Feb 2019 #21

+1000 EllieBC Feb 2019 #277

"Puritanism" and "prudishness" are words used to shame reformists MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #30

It is Puritanism to want to end trafficking... You understand that these are real people, right? Squinch Feb 2019 #35

Whatever helps you sleep at night. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #40

LOL! This is always my thought in these discussions. Squinch Feb 2019 #42

Sometimes it's just too exhausting MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #46

Good acting on the part of their partners, I presume. And yes. Every single Squinch Feb 2019 #47

You have to wonder if they ask those partners treestar Feb 2019 #87

I mean, really ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #55

I THINK we are wrong because we are telling too many people here Squinch Feb 2019 #62

Meaning? DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #102

There was. In the earlier centuries treestar Feb 2019 #85

It's quite the other way around, D. The ones punished have always been the "fallen women." Hekate Feb 2019 #147

Yes, because Puritans hate them even more DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #151

Women are arrested for prostitution and human trafficking is revealed every day EffieBlack Feb 2019 #153

Research happybird Feb 2019 #227

Isn't it funny how that works? Suddenly we're talking about legalization. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #248

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #233

Serious disassociatiom disorder. procon Feb 2019 #14

+1 Croney Feb 2019 #26

I think we have entered the "not all human traffickers" phase of the conversation. Squinch Feb 2019 #126

This Hekate Feb 2019 #149

Yup EffieBlack Feb 2019 #154

Since I'm not a lawyer, ForgedCrank Feb 2019 #16

For example, society DOES associate drug users with drug trafficking, & they get arrested for using. Hekate Feb 2019 #18

drug users are not trafficking in a legal sense Mosby Feb 2019 #19

Quibble Hekate Feb 2019 #22

Quibble or not, it's true. The average illegal drug user is not prosecuted for drug trafficking. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #24

Maybe because drugs are inanimate objects that are not physically or emotionally abused by the user EffieBlack Feb 2019 #61

You're assuming that every John abuses every prostitute. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #86

Pornography is filmed in the presence of enough witnesses treestar Feb 2019 #97

So then legalize prostitution, and let the incidents of actual attacks remain criminalized. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #101

Not sure. Have to think about that. treestar Feb 2019 #103

What if a porn star decides to meet people privately? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #113

We are not "objecting" treestar Feb 2019 #356

I wouldn't be so sure of that JonLP24 Feb 2019 #335

This is what they want to argue: treestar Feb 2019 #357

And some pimps don't abuse their prostitutes EffieBlack Feb 2019 #104

Yes, it is good if a pimp does not attack the prostitute. I do not want people being attacked. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #105

Abuse is not limited to physical attacks. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #106

Same with "abuse", it's good if the pimp does not abuse the prostitute. If the pimp does abuse Progressive Law Feb 2019 #107

The mythical good pimp. When you open your eyes, is it moist and dark? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #237

I didn't bring up the issue of the non-abusive pimp. EffieBlack did. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #239

You've totally missed the point EffieBlack Feb 2019 #109

You asked me if it was good that some pimps do not abuse the prostitute. I said yes. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #111

How many 'consensual prostitutes work, sleep and eat at their 'place of business do you reckon irisblue Feb 2019 #115

Slavery / Forced Labor should remain illegal. That is a separate issue from prostitution itself. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #116

He won't answer that question without complete empirical Squinch Feb 2019 #276

I will admit I own lots of little ziplock bags crazycatlady Feb 2019 #54

Yes. Johns are on notice now along with everyone else MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #27

Yes, because sex with a coerced, sex trafficked person is rape. nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #28

Is it fair to associate buyers of Apple products with the slavish conditions in Chinese factories? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #29

A john having sex with a clearly unwilling sex slave is consuming her in a Squinch Feb 2019 #36

That's the big point, Squinch... clearly unwilling sex slave... IluvPitties Feb 2019 #51

Yes. I'm certain that in these legalized Rhode Island Asian brothels, the bars on the Squinch Feb 2019 #59

You are very passionate about the issue, and correct on many aspects. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #64

Some people like to engage in rape fantasies - should we legalize rape so that these people EffieBlack Feb 2019 #72

You are talking about two completely different issues. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #88

If they could quit any time they want treestar Feb 2019 #100

Good points. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #112

They are always going to say they like doing it treestar Feb 2019 #363

If that REALLY exists at all, it is a tiny sliver of the prostitution world. Squinch Feb 2019 #118

Seriously, you are wrong. I know people who do this. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #119

Uh huh. And because you know someone who does this, you just have to bring that in Squinch Feb 2019 #123

I appreciate your point of view. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #124

No way to prove that on the internet treestar Feb 2019 #364

Precisely. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #369

This message was self-deleted by its author IluvPitties Feb 2019 #119

Question deist99 Feb 2019 #263

MUCH higher percentage unwilling than willing. Squinch Feb 2019 #275

Hard to determine deist99 Feb 2019 #281

First, what is a credible source that quantifies street Squinch Feb 2019 #286

Again deist99 Feb 2019 #302

One other thing: sex trafficking is a big problem in Squinch Feb 2019 #289

Brothels deist99 Feb 2019 #296

I don't know about the nature of your "research" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #299

"Audit finds signs of human trafficking at brothels in Nevada county" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #300

Signs deist99 Feb 2019 #306

I don't "color you skeptical"... I color you flat out wrong EffieBlack Feb 2019 #307

"Immigration violations, possible sex trafficking found at Nevada brothels" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #301

Thank you deist99 Feb 2019 #308

Wow. You really are grabbing at straws in your effort at self-justification. Squinch Feb 2019 #310

No deist99 Feb 2019 #317

Here is a study of legal brothels in Rhode Island (inside prostitution has been legalized there.) Squinch Feb 2019 #309

Thanks for sharing this EffieBlack Feb 2019 #311

Yes. I'd say our new poster is here for another purpose other than discussion. Squinch Feb 2019 #313

Ya think? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #314

Sorry deist99 Feb 2019 #339

Lol. Any port in a storm, buddy. As long as you don't have to Squinch Feb 2019 #341

No deist99 Feb 2019 #342

Unless they have no doubt that the woman they are purchasing Squinch Feb 2019 #344

Agree deist99 Feb 2019 #345

You would ask the sex worker if she is being forced to work there. Well. That solves everything. Squinch Feb 2019 #346

I thought deist99 Feb 2019 #347

Sure you do! That way, you never have to consider "if you ever visit a sex worker" that she Squinch Feb 2019 #348

Amnesty International deist99 Feb 2019 #340

This. And the johns know it, as does the OP Hekate Feb 2019 #152

We're being told that, even though the vast majority of prostitution involves trafficking EffieBlack Feb 2019 #156

Also because there is a vast swath of career gals who just turn tricks for larks and pin money. Squinch Feb 2019 #161

Can't let that happen ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #168

No. Because there are so many of them. They're everywhere. Squinch Feb 2019 #170

Do they not hear themselves? EllieBC Feb 2019 #279

The "product" is that person's body treestar Feb 2019 #99

Drug users have huge penalties...and women end up on sex offender lists if they are Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #31

There may be a reason that Johns go to these places. watoos Feb 2019 #33

They think a person who would run sex slaves would hesitate to blackmail them if it Squinch Feb 2019 #37

Yes obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #39

You mean the men who violently rape young girls who are held as slaves? yardwork Feb 2019 #43

No, that's not what I meant. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #79

If there is any reason these men had reason to question if the women were trafficked, then they karynnj Feb 2019 #45

The big difference is that addiction is a medical issue crazycatlady Feb 2019 #49

You've totally ignored the issue of sexual addiction with the flesh light comment. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #144

Depends. Here, once again, we are lumping all prostitution and human trafficking in the same bag. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #50

The average age at which girls first become victims of prostitution is 12-14 ... 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #228

As I have said before, IluvPitties Feb 2019 #257

Guilty until prostitution is legal. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #53

So the John in California is a human trafficker, but the John in Nevada isn't? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #146

The brush is too broad, but law isn't really good at nuance. KentuckyWoman Feb 2019 #68

Is it fair for grown men to want to have sex with little girls? These jrthin Feb 2019 #69

Supply and demand. Yes, they absolutely should be. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #74

When I buy and use a drug I'm not hurting the drug. When I OregonBlue Feb 2019 #75

You're ignoring consensual prostitution...and an adult's right to control his/her own body. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #78

What these scum are accused of is not consentual. It's slavery. OregonBlue Feb 2019 #93

Which scum are you referring to? I was referring to consensual prostitution. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #96

Most people posting in this thread are making false equivalencies. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #110

The OP was vague and all-inclusive. Most responders are going by current news about Epstein & Kraft Hekate Feb 2019 #122

Perhaps its fair to say that Johns who do not perpetuate human trafficking are not human traffickers Progressive Law Feb 2019 #128

That is not what I said, is it? Prog Law, you're beginning to remind me of the guys... Hekate Feb 2019 #136

I didn't suggest you said anything. I asked you for your opinion. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #139

Epstein and his cronies and men who use women. OregonBlue Feb 2019 #343

yes hopeforchange2008 Feb 2019 #76

yes EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #77

Yes. FOr the most part, sex workers aren't working in the trade because they want to, KitSileya Feb 2019 #81

The same thing can be said of the adult entertainment industry. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #84

Excellent point that most here won't touch. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #90

The sex cam industry happybird Feb 2019 #134

Did you see this description of legal brothels in Rhode Island where inside sex is legal: Squinch Feb 2019 #160

Forced labor / slavery is already illegal. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #163

Do you really believe that most prostitutes are in it of their own free will? Squinch Feb 2019 #164

I believe consenting adults should be free to use their bodies as they wish. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #167

Do you really believe that most prostitutes are in it of their own free will? Squinch Feb 2019 #169

Without empirical data, it is premature for me to arrive at a conclusion. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #171

Do you believe that most prostitutes are in it of their own free will? Squinch Feb 2019 #173

Why do you keep asking the same question when I already told you I am unable to answer Progressive Law Feb 2019 #174

Because I am sure you are smart enough to have formed an opinion. You live in the world, Squinch Feb 2019 #178

You asked me if **most** prostitutes are in it of their own free will. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #180

You are saying you have no idea how many human slaves there are out there in the prostitution Squinch Feb 2019 #185

Now you're moving the goal posts. First you asked me about ***most*** prostitutes. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #186

No. I'm not moving any goal posts. I'm just pointing out that you only refuse to answer Squinch Feb 2019 #187

I already acknowledged many sex workers are doing it not of their own free will. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #190

Bla bla bla bla bla. Squinch Feb 2019 #191

I've kept it civil. I hope you will chose to do the same. Thank you. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #193

Yes. They're financing the whole thing. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #82

A free society must maintain enough looseness to make freedom Hortensis Feb 2019 #83

Best post of this thread. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #92

I guess it depends if you are in a location where prostitution is legal or not. nycbos Feb 2019 #108

Reminds me of this Mendocino Feb 2019 #125

Terrible Example HopeAgain Feb 2019 #130

Are Johns still abusers if no one is being abused? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #131

You don't know... HopeAgain Feb 2019 #252

And what about the John who pays to be sexually "abused" by the prostitute? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #132

If the prostitute is a victim of trafficking HopeAgain Feb 2019 #253

Very interesting question, I am curious where does the line for responsibilities end? Snackshack Feb 2019 #137

When I read a story about pot, cocaine or opioids having their passport taken... GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #162

Bingo! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #181

Yep. Like a window to the soul. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #189

Yup EffieBlack Feb 2019 #192

So now I'm really wound up! GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #201

Are you saying that there's no death and destruction involved in the drug trade? Yavin4 Feb 2019 #196

You really want double down on this Argument? GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #199

Drug trafficking involves people being tortured and murdered. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #209

Demand drives supply. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #166

There are hundreds of people killed/tortured in drug trafficking Yavin4 Feb 2019 #194

As long as it's fair to associate everyone who shops with sweat-shops bitterross Feb 2019 #204

Good god DU members! This is bullshit! I can't believe what I am reading GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #208

I compared a commodity with a paid sexual act, not a person. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #210

Now your argument is getting even more sophomoric! GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #211

Except paying for a sexual act does not necessarily constitute purchasing a human. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #213

I am of the opinion that most prostitutes do not control their own bodies. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #214

I have never defended slavery. I have defended a person's right to control his/her own body. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #215

Almost as foolish LanternWaste Feb 2019 #292

If a person wants to treat his/her body as a commodity, that is his/her right. Foolish or not. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #293

You can't possibly really believe that EffieBlack Feb 2019 #218

I'm saying don't prosecute prostitution between two consenting adults. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #219

How do you determine when a prostitute hasn't given her "consent"? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #220

Well that's different issue than the existence of consent. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #221

The OP wants us to agree with him that supporting legal prostitution is "progressive." However... Hekate Feb 2019 #223

I never suggested that people should agree with me on anything. I would appreciate it if.. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #226

You called it right Empowerer Feb 2019 #338

Amen!!! 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #238

Is it fair to associate a false equivalency with denial and defensiveness? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #229

Perhaps it's as fair as conflating prostitution with slavery... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #231

That is not the question you posed. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #240

It it acceptable to you for posters to pose more than one question per thread? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #241

Once again, whenever this subject matter comes up, gays don't exist. DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #232

I agree. I'd also like to point out... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #234

You could set an atomic clock to how precisely *everyone else* is erased. DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #236

Great post. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #258

Men's bodies shouldn't be trafficked in either treestar Feb 2019 #269

BTW, I feel compelled to apologize for using the word "prostitute". "Provider"... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #235

I wonder what some people think here of this individual. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #259

Now you are really making it a commodity treestar Feb 2019 #268

I didn't invent the term "provider". Sex workers have chosen that term. I respect their wishes. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #294

They haven't chosen that term treestar Feb 2019 #358

If they use it, then they have chosen to use that term. I respect their right to chose. Progressive Law Mar 2019 #371

Again you are claiming it is all a choice treestar Mar 2019 #372

You speak for all women? Providers have said they prefer that term. I respect that. Progressive Law Mar 2019 #373

Yes Meowmee Feb 2019 #249

No Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #251

Maybe it's not 'fair', but it's definitely not accurate. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #254

People who buy illegal drugs buy a thing. Those who patronize prostitutes buy people EffieBlack Feb 2019 #260

I don't disagree. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #262

"People who buy illegal drugs buy a thing." But that "thing" comes at a human cost as well. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #290

I didn't say that buying drugs can't have a human cost. But drugs are not human beings EffieBlack Feb 2019 #291

Sure... Their demand helps perpetuate the "industry" Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #274

No, the john is not a sex trafficker. tymorial Feb 2019 #285

In many cases, like Jeffrey Epstein "Johns" are sex-trafficers Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #287

So then perhaps it is fair to say only a specific subset of Johns are also human traffickers. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #330

Um, actually I do associate drug users with drug trafficking TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #288

The saddest part about this thread is IluvPitties Feb 2019 #295

Many here have revealed that their opposition to prostitution stems from moral grounds. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #303

Many here have revealed that their unconditional absolution of johns for the proliferation of Squinch Feb 2019 #312

Who has done such a thing? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #315

Who here has argued for the unconditional absolution of johns? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #318

No more so than... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #316

If an adult wants to treat their body as commodity, their right to choose should be respected. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #319

Football players, boxers, MMA fighters, etc. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #331

Some people want to ban boxing and American football, so... IluvPitties Feb 2019 #332

They just don't see the person treestar Feb 2019 #367

It's not morality. It's the damage it does to people. treestar Feb 2019 #366

Patriots owner Kraft formally charged in Florida prostitution sting Mosby Feb 2019 #333

Didn't they have hundreds of warrants? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #334

Precious little on the sex workers' rights movement in these threads MountCleaners Feb 2019 #353

Certain posters here have a very extreme position. IluvPitties Mar 2019 #374

No one here has demonized sex trafficking victims. So please stop shaming consensual providers. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #354

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #365