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318. Who here has argued for the unconditional absolution of johns?

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Is it fair to associate "Johns" as "human/sex traffickers"? [View all] Progressive Law Feb 2019 OP

AFAIC it is. No customers, no demand to fill. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #1

Hahahahahahahahaha n/t theaocp Feb 2019 #38

Sure, WHEN customers are purchasing trafficked flesh. Hortensis Feb 2019 #60

I loathed "Pretty Woman." 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #66

"Hot" women then? Or even just still warm and breathing? :) Hortensis Feb 2019 #73

Believe it or not, women like that are out there. Blue_true Feb 2019 #159

The head of the Boston Police Anti-Human Trafficking Unit begs to differ. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #172

Thank you! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #177

I could see that DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #184

One paragraph summed it up. Blue_true Feb 2019 #188

Is it fair to call a 13 year old rape-victim a prostitute and not allow them a court date? w/link Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #280

Were you replying to my post? Doesn't look that way. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #336

+100000000 treestar Feb 2019 #198

Can't rec this enough. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #230

You touched on an unexplored area of the sex for sale industry. Blue_true Feb 2019 #157

So, No more sweatshops if we stop buying clothes they make? bitterross Feb 2019 #205

We're not being self righteous treestar Feb 2019 #264

Who do you think is in the sweat-shops? Women. bitterross Feb 2019 #352

men could be in the sweat shops too treestar Feb 2019 #355

These women are used for sex too lame54 Feb 2019 #350

Good Point /nt bitterross Feb 2019 #351

And Walmart shoppers lame54 Feb 2019 #349

If there were no johns there wouldn't be sex trafficking. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #2

I haven't read articles that associate drug users as drug traffickers though. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #4

They are just the two sides of the transaction. Neither could exist without the other. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #5

Drug users choose to risk hurting THEMSELVES when they buy what their traffickers sell. Johns Squinch Feb 2019 #34

So a person who hires an independent dominatrix, for example... IluvPitties Feb 2019 #94

The women aren't drugs. They're human beings. pnwmom Feb 2019 #242

I didn't compare women to drugs. I compared sex-for-sale to drugs. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #243

Sex for sale involves HUMAN BEINGS who are subjecting their BODIES pnwmom Feb 2019 #245

If the sex-for-sale act is consensual, how is comparing that act to illegal drugs so foreign? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #246

You spoke about trafficking in the OP. pnwmom Feb 2019 #247

You left out the role of a pimp crazycatlady Feb 2019 #273

numerous drug users sell drugs to "support their own habit rampartc Feb 2019 #56

Thank you! No demand, not Johns but drug demand also. nt allgood33 Feb 2019 #70

Johns (and addicts) will always exist. happybird Feb 2019 #138

Addicts primarily harm themselves EffieBlack Feb 2019 #140

I'm talking about basic supply and demand happybird Feb 2019 #155

Primarily is the operative word EffieBlack Feb 2019 #158

This has wandered off the point happybird Feb 2019 #182

Surely there was a time that it seemed that there would always be treestar Feb 2019 #202

Paying for a consensual, agreed upon service happybird Feb 2019 #217

Here are several types of Johns. Blue_true Feb 2019 #165

The vast majority of John's fall into the first two categories - and a couple categories EffieBlack Feb 2019 #175

Actually Effie. Blue_true Feb 2019 #183

And it is ridiculous to assume there aren't traffickers running many of the women Squinch Feb 2019 #256

Who assumed that "there aren't traffickers running many of the women... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #329

Right, we've so successfully proven that with the War on Drugs. bitterross Feb 2019 #207

Stop equating prostitution to the drug trade EffieBlack Feb 2019 #212

Clearly, you are uninformed about addiction. It is not just substances. bitterross Feb 2019 #222

Thanks for the lecture EffieBlack Feb 2019 #225

So you are a mental health professional with experience in the field? bitterross Feb 2019 #271

Sex addiction is a different issue treestar Feb 2019 #265

NO, it is not. That's the point. Addiction is Addiction. bitterross Feb 2019 #272

Addiction may be addiction, but the way society deals with it can vary depending on they type EffieBlack Feb 2019 #283

How many sex workers have you interviewed? How many Johns? bitterross Feb 2019 #298

I've worked with and advocated for hundreds of trafficking victims. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #305

That means your data points are skewed against the sex worker industry. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #320

LOL EffieBlack Feb 2019 #321

Your post does not indicate you have first hand knowledge of the consensual prostitution reality Progressive Law Feb 2019 #322

For the third time, what is YOUR experience with this topic? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #324

Already answered. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #325

Yes, I saw your "answer." EffieBlack Feb 2019 #327

By the way, my first-hand experience comes from... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #323

Oh, I see. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #326

I never said I was an expert on prostitution. I said I recognize an adult's inherent right... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #328

What other ways could people use their bodies in a way they deem proper treestar Feb 2019 #362

That they don't want or seek help treestar Feb 2019 #361

That's really great. I AM those people and have been part of them. bitterross Feb 2019 #337

you are ignoring the difference between treestar Feb 2019 #360

Clearly, your read comprehension is lacking bitterross Feb 2019 #368

They could certainly find a better way treestar Feb 2019 #370

Would not agree with what? treestar Feb 2019 #359

Question deist99 Feb 2019 #250

W/o John's there wouldn't be much business.... Historic NY Feb 2019 #3

Is it fair to wonder why the local authorities don't shut these places down? FakeNoose Feb 2019 #6

They are their best protectors dalton99a Feb 2019 #17

I used to know a sex worker addicted to heroin ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #7

Oh, god. I wish everyone would read this. I always wish that about your posts. Squinch Feb 2019 #48

So much here blm Feb 2019 #52

This is what I take from your story IluvPitties Feb 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author KentuckyWoman Feb 2019 #67

Thanks for your first-hand knowledge. Most of us have had little exposure MineralMan Feb 2019 #80

The case you describe is actually much more common than what you think. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #148

Oh I know strippers that worked their way through college ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #216

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #304

Thank you, ism Hekate Feb 2019 #143

I don't know how you escaped your situation as a street kid, pnwmom Feb 2019 #244

Yes kcr Feb 2019 #8

Is it impossible for "Johns" to be addicts as well? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #23

Addicted to prostitutes? kcr Feb 2019 #25

There is a thing called masturbation obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #41

The devil still laughs BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #57

You hear the stories about paying their way through college treestar Feb 2019 #91

If prostitution was such a great gig, why don't more men do it? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #135

Who argued that prostitution is a great gig? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #142

Really? deist99 Feb 2019 #255

That's no excuse treestar Feb 2019 #266

Maybe the solution is for men to adapt themselves instead of society adapting to their needs EffieBlack Feb 2019 #297

For heroin addicts, there is a thing called methadone. They still seek heroin though. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #129

Stop equating sex addiction with heroin addiction EffieBlack Feb 2019 #261

+1000000000000 treestar Feb 2019 #267

Sex addiction is real, but not sure what your point is... tinrobot Feb 2019 #58

kcr said one reason drug users are not considered drug traffickers is because they are addicts Progressive Law Feb 2019 #89

sex addicts don't go to prostitutes necessarily treestar Feb 2019 #95

Wouldn't a prostitute be one of the easiest sources of sex for a sex addict? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #98

Risking jail time is not exactly "easy" tinrobot Feb 2019 #114

But many drug addicts risk jail time too when they posses illegal drugs. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #117

Sex is mostly legal. Drugs mostly aren't. Big difference. tinrobot Feb 2019 #121

But many people abuse legally prescribed drugs, like Oxy. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #127

**** Hekate Feb 2019 #150

No, but then it is different treestar Feb 2019 #9

That IS the solution, but our culture simply will not allow men to be blamed for victimizing women. Squinch Feb 2019 #44

Thank you, Squinch. Most people have no idea of Temperance history in the US, nor do they know... Hekate Feb 2019 #145

Actually arresting Johns have not worked well where it was tried. Blue_true Feb 2019 #176

Arresting johns doesn't work well because whenever it happens EffieBlack Feb 2019 #179

Effie. Blue_true Feb 2019 #195

Those women are still being damaged treestar Feb 2019 #197

It comes down to views. Blue_true Feb 2019 #200

I dunno treestar Feb 2019 #203

I agree on the cost. Blue_true Feb 2019 #206

Sound like deist99 Feb 2019 #270

You're equating sex trafficking with having an abortion? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #278

No deist99 Feb 2019 #282

So you're equating abortion with prostitution. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #284

If two consenting adults have sex it is ok wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #10

They're not paying for sex EffieBlack Feb 2019 #11

your assuming things. Mosby Feb 2019 #15

I didn't say they were sex trafficking EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20

When you frequent a place that is obviously a slave ring...than you are as guilty as those who Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #32

What about women who go to legal male brothels in Nevada? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #65

What about them? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #71

Should they be treated as sex traffickers as well? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #141

like the ones owned by the now dead rapist Dennis Hoff ? JI7 Feb 2019 #133

If someone is turning tricks because meadowlander Feb 2019 #224

There's a big element of Puritanism in the attacks on johns and prostitution DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #12

Not for me ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #13

My opposition to it has nothing to do with puritism, something I'm not prone to EffieBlack Feb 2019 #21

+1000 EllieBC Feb 2019 #277

"Puritanism" and "prudishness" are words used to shame reformists MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #30

It is Puritanism to want to end trafficking... You understand that these are real people, right? Squinch Feb 2019 #35

Whatever helps you sleep at night. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #40

LOL! This is always my thought in these discussions. Squinch Feb 2019 #42

Sometimes it's just too exhausting MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #46

Good acting on the part of their partners, I presume. And yes. Every single Squinch Feb 2019 #47

You have to wonder if they ask those partners treestar Feb 2019 #87

I mean, really ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #55

I THINK we are wrong because we are telling too many people here Squinch Feb 2019 #62

Meaning? DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #102

There was. In the earlier centuries treestar Feb 2019 #85

It's quite the other way around, D. The ones punished have always been the "fallen women." Hekate Feb 2019 #147

Yes, because Puritans hate them even more DavidDvorkin Feb 2019 #151

Women are arrested for prostitution and human trafficking is revealed every day EffieBlack Feb 2019 #153

Research happybird Feb 2019 #227

Isn't it funny how that works? Suddenly we're talking about legalization. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #248

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #233

Serious disassociatiom disorder. procon Feb 2019 #14

+1 Croney Feb 2019 #26

I think we have entered the "not all human traffickers" phase of the conversation. Squinch Feb 2019 #126

This Hekate Feb 2019 #149

Yup EffieBlack Feb 2019 #154

Since I'm not a lawyer, ForgedCrank Feb 2019 #16

For example, society DOES associate drug users with drug trafficking, & they get arrested for using. Hekate Feb 2019 #18

drug users are not trafficking in a legal sense Mosby Feb 2019 #19

Quibble Hekate Feb 2019 #22

Quibble or not, it's true. The average illegal drug user is not prosecuted for drug trafficking. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #24

Maybe because drugs are inanimate objects that are not physically or emotionally abused by the user EffieBlack Feb 2019 #61

You're assuming that every John abuses every prostitute. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #86

Pornography is filmed in the presence of enough witnesses treestar Feb 2019 #97

So then legalize prostitution, and let the incidents of actual attacks remain criminalized. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #101

Not sure. Have to think about that. treestar Feb 2019 #103

What if a porn star decides to meet people privately? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #113

We are not "objecting" treestar Feb 2019 #356

I wouldn't be so sure of that JonLP24 Feb 2019 #335

This is what they want to argue: treestar Feb 2019 #357

And some pimps don't abuse their prostitutes EffieBlack Feb 2019 #104

Yes, it is good if a pimp does not attack the prostitute. I do not want people being attacked. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #105

Abuse is not limited to physical attacks. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #106

Same with "abuse", it's good if the pimp does not abuse the prostitute. If the pimp does abuse Progressive Law Feb 2019 #107

The mythical good pimp. When you open your eyes, is it moist and dark? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #237

I didn't bring up the issue of the non-abusive pimp. EffieBlack did. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #239

You've totally missed the point EffieBlack Feb 2019 #109

You asked me if it was good that some pimps do not abuse the prostitute. I said yes. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #111

How many 'consensual prostitutes work, sleep and eat at their 'place of business do you reckon irisblue Feb 2019 #115

Slavery / Forced Labor should remain illegal. That is a separate issue from prostitution itself. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #116

He won't answer that question without complete empirical Squinch Feb 2019 #276

I will admit I own lots of little ziplock bags crazycatlady Feb 2019 #54

Yes. Johns are on notice now along with everyone else MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #27

Yes, because sex with a coerced, sex trafficked person is rape. nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #28

Is it fair to associate buyers of Apple products with the slavish conditions in Chinese factories? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #29

A john having sex with a clearly unwilling sex slave is consuming her in a Squinch Feb 2019 #36

That's the big point, Squinch... clearly unwilling sex slave... IluvPitties Feb 2019 #51

Yes. I'm certain that in these legalized Rhode Island Asian brothels, the bars on the Squinch Feb 2019 #59

You are very passionate about the issue, and correct on many aspects. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #64

Some people like to engage in rape fantasies - should we legalize rape so that these people EffieBlack Feb 2019 #72

You are talking about two completely different issues. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #88

If they could quit any time they want treestar Feb 2019 #100

Good points. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #112

They are always going to say they like doing it treestar Feb 2019 #363

If that REALLY exists at all, it is a tiny sliver of the prostitution world. Squinch Feb 2019 #118

Seriously, you are wrong. I know people who do this. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #119

Uh huh. And because you know someone who does this, you just have to bring that in Squinch Feb 2019 #123

I appreciate your point of view. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #124

No way to prove that on the internet treestar Feb 2019 #364

Precisely. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #369

This message was self-deleted by its author IluvPitties Feb 2019 #119

Question deist99 Feb 2019 #263

MUCH higher percentage unwilling than willing. Squinch Feb 2019 #275

Hard to determine deist99 Feb 2019 #281

First, what is a credible source that quantifies street Squinch Feb 2019 #286

Again deist99 Feb 2019 #302

One other thing: sex trafficking is a big problem in Squinch Feb 2019 #289

Brothels deist99 Feb 2019 #296

I don't know about the nature of your "research" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #299

"Audit finds signs of human trafficking at brothels in Nevada county" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #300

Signs deist99 Feb 2019 #306

I don't "color you skeptical"... I color you flat out wrong EffieBlack Feb 2019 #307

"Immigration violations, possible sex trafficking found at Nevada brothels" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #301

Thank you deist99 Feb 2019 #308

Wow. You really are grabbing at straws in your effort at self-justification. Squinch Feb 2019 #310

No deist99 Feb 2019 #317

Here is a study of legal brothels in Rhode Island (inside prostitution has been legalized there.) Squinch Feb 2019 #309

Thanks for sharing this EffieBlack Feb 2019 #311

Yes. I'd say our new poster is here for another purpose other than discussion. Squinch Feb 2019 #313

Ya think? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #314

Sorry deist99 Feb 2019 #339

Lol. Any port in a storm, buddy. As long as you don't have to Squinch Feb 2019 #341

No deist99 Feb 2019 #342

Unless they have no doubt that the woman they are purchasing Squinch Feb 2019 #344

Agree deist99 Feb 2019 #345

You would ask the sex worker if she is being forced to work there. Well. That solves everything. Squinch Feb 2019 #346

I thought deist99 Feb 2019 #347

Sure you do! That way, you never have to consider "if you ever visit a sex worker" that she Squinch Feb 2019 #348

Amnesty International deist99 Feb 2019 #340

This. And the johns know it, as does the OP Hekate Feb 2019 #152

We're being told that, even though the vast majority of prostitution involves trafficking EffieBlack Feb 2019 #156

Also because there is a vast swath of career gals who just turn tricks for larks and pin money. Squinch Feb 2019 #161

Can't let that happen ... EffieBlack Feb 2019 #168

No. Because there are so many of them. They're everywhere. Squinch Feb 2019 #170

Do they not hear themselves? EllieBC Feb 2019 #279

The "product" is that person's body treestar Feb 2019 #99

Drug users have huge penalties...and women end up on sex offender lists if they are Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #31

There may be a reason that Johns go to these places. watoos Feb 2019 #33

They think a person who would run sex slaves would hesitate to blackmail them if it Squinch Feb 2019 #37

Yes obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #39

You mean the men who violently rape young girls who are held as slaves? yardwork Feb 2019 #43

No, that's not what I meant. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #79

If there is any reason these men had reason to question if the women were trafficked, then they karynnj Feb 2019 #45

The big difference is that addiction is a medical issue crazycatlady Feb 2019 #49

You've totally ignored the issue of sexual addiction with the flesh light comment. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #144

Depends. Here, once again, we are lumping all prostitution and human trafficking in the same bag. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #50

The average age at which girls first become victims of prostitution is 12-14 ... 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #228

As I have said before, IluvPitties Feb 2019 #257

Guilty until prostitution is legal. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #53

So the John in California is a human trafficker, but the John in Nevada isn't? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #146

The brush is too broad, but law isn't really good at nuance. KentuckyWoman Feb 2019 #68

Is it fair for grown men to want to have sex with little girls? These jrthin Feb 2019 #69

Supply and demand. Yes, they absolutely should be. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #74

When I buy and use a drug I'm not hurting the drug. When I OregonBlue Feb 2019 #75

You're ignoring consensual prostitution...and an adult's right to control his/her own body. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #78

What these scum are accused of is not consentual. It's slavery. OregonBlue Feb 2019 #93

Which scum are you referring to? I was referring to consensual prostitution. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #96

Most people posting in this thread are making false equivalencies. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #110

The OP was vague and all-inclusive. Most responders are going by current news about Epstein & Kraft Hekate Feb 2019 #122

Perhaps its fair to say that Johns who do not perpetuate human trafficking are not human traffickers Progressive Law Feb 2019 #128

That is not what I said, is it? Prog Law, you're beginning to remind me of the guys... Hekate Feb 2019 #136

I didn't suggest you said anything. I asked you for your opinion. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #139

Epstein and his cronies and men who use women. OregonBlue Feb 2019 #343

yes hopeforchange2008 Feb 2019 #76

yes EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #77

Yes. FOr the most part, sex workers aren't working in the trade because they want to, KitSileya Feb 2019 #81

The same thing can be said of the adult entertainment industry. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #84

Excellent point that most here won't touch. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #90

The sex cam industry happybird Feb 2019 #134

Did you see this description of legal brothels in Rhode Island where inside sex is legal: Squinch Feb 2019 #160

Forced labor / slavery is already illegal. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #163

Do you really believe that most prostitutes are in it of their own free will? Squinch Feb 2019 #164

I believe consenting adults should be free to use their bodies as they wish. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #167

Do you really believe that most prostitutes are in it of their own free will? Squinch Feb 2019 #169

Without empirical data, it is premature for me to arrive at a conclusion. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #171

Do you believe that most prostitutes are in it of their own free will? Squinch Feb 2019 #173

Why do you keep asking the same question when I already told you I am unable to answer Progressive Law Feb 2019 #174

Because I am sure you are smart enough to have formed an opinion. You live in the world, Squinch Feb 2019 #178

You asked me if **most** prostitutes are in it of their own free will. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #180

You are saying you have no idea how many human slaves there are out there in the prostitution Squinch Feb 2019 #185

Now you're moving the goal posts. First you asked me about ***most*** prostitutes. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #186

No. I'm not moving any goal posts. I'm just pointing out that you only refuse to answer Squinch Feb 2019 #187

I already acknowledged many sex workers are doing it not of their own free will. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #190

Bla bla bla bla bla. Squinch Feb 2019 #191

I've kept it civil. I hope you will chose to do the same. Thank you. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #193

Yes. They're financing the whole thing. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #82

A free society must maintain enough looseness to make freedom Hortensis Feb 2019 #83

Best post of this thread. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #92

I guess it depends if you are in a location where prostitution is legal or not. nycbos Feb 2019 #108

Reminds me of this Mendocino Feb 2019 #125

Terrible Example HopeAgain Feb 2019 #130

Are Johns still abusers if no one is being abused? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #131

You don't know... HopeAgain Feb 2019 #252

And what about the John who pays to be sexually "abused" by the prostitute? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #132

If the prostitute is a victim of trafficking HopeAgain Feb 2019 #253

Very interesting question, I am curious where does the line for responsibilities end? Snackshack Feb 2019 #137

When I read a story about pot, cocaine or opioids having their passport taken... GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #162

Bingo! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #181

Yep. Like a window to the soul. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #189

Yup EffieBlack Feb 2019 #192

So now I'm really wound up! GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #201

Are you saying that there's no death and destruction involved in the drug trade? Yavin4 Feb 2019 #196

You really want double down on this Argument? GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #199

Drug trafficking involves people being tortured and murdered. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #209

Demand drives supply. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #166

There are hundreds of people killed/tortured in drug trafficking Yavin4 Feb 2019 #194

As long as it's fair to associate everyone who shops with sweat-shops bitterross Feb 2019 #204

Good god DU members! This is bullshit! I can't believe what I am reading GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #208

I compared a commodity with a paid sexual act, not a person. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #210

Now your argument is getting even more sophomoric! GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #211

Except paying for a sexual act does not necessarily constitute purchasing a human. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #213

I am of the opinion that most prostitutes do not control their own bodies. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #214

I have never defended slavery. I have defended a person's right to control his/her own body. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #215

Almost as foolish LanternWaste Feb 2019 #292

If a person wants to treat his/her body as a commodity, that is his/her right. Foolish or not. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #293

You can't possibly really believe that EffieBlack Feb 2019 #218

I'm saying don't prosecute prostitution between two consenting adults. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #219

How do you determine when a prostitute hasn't given her "consent"? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #220

Well that's different issue than the existence of consent. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #221

The OP wants us to agree with him that supporting legal prostitution is "progressive." However... Hekate Feb 2019 #223

I never suggested that people should agree with me on anything. I would appreciate it if.. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #226

You called it right Empowerer Feb 2019 #338

Amen!!! 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #238

Is it fair to associate a false equivalency with denial and defensiveness? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #229

Perhaps it's as fair as conflating prostitution with slavery... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #231

That is not the question you posed. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #240

It it acceptable to you for posters to pose more than one question per thread? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #241

Once again, whenever this subject matter comes up, gays don't exist. DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #232

I agree. I'd also like to point out... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #234

You could set an atomic clock to how precisely *everyone else* is erased. DRoseDARs Feb 2019 #236

Great post. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #258

Men's bodies shouldn't be trafficked in either treestar Feb 2019 #269

BTW, I feel compelled to apologize for using the word "prostitute". "Provider"... Progressive Law Feb 2019 #235

I wonder what some people think here of this individual. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #259

Now you are really making it a commodity treestar Feb 2019 #268

I didn't invent the term "provider". Sex workers have chosen that term. I respect their wishes. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #294

They haven't chosen that term treestar Feb 2019 #358

If they use it, then they have chosen to use that term. I respect their right to chose. Progressive Law Mar 2019 #371

Again you are claiming it is all a choice treestar Mar 2019 #372

You speak for all women? Providers have said they prefer that term. I respect that. Progressive Law Mar 2019 #373

Yes Meowmee Feb 2019 #249

No Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #251

Maybe it's not 'fair', but it's definitely not accurate. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #254

People who buy illegal drugs buy a thing. Those who patronize prostitutes buy people EffieBlack Feb 2019 #260

I don't disagree. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #262

"People who buy illegal drugs buy a thing." But that "thing" comes at a human cost as well. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #290

I didn't say that buying drugs can't have a human cost. But drugs are not human beings EffieBlack Feb 2019 #291

Sure... Their demand helps perpetuate the "industry" Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #274

No, the john is not a sex trafficker. tymorial Feb 2019 #285

In many cases, like Jeffrey Epstein "Johns" are sex-trafficers Jeffersons Ghost Feb 2019 #287

So then perhaps it is fair to say only a specific subset of Johns are also human traffickers. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #330

Um, actually I do associate drug users with drug trafficking TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #288

The saddest part about this thread is IluvPitties Feb 2019 #295

Many here have revealed that their opposition to prostitution stems from moral grounds. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #303

Many here have revealed that their unconditional absolution of johns for the proliferation of Squinch Feb 2019 #312

Who has done such a thing? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #315

Who here has argued for the unconditional absolution of johns? Progressive Law Feb 2019 #318

No more so than... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #316

If an adult wants to treat their body as commodity, their right to choose should be respected. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #319

Football players, boxers, MMA fighters, etc. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #331

Some people want to ban boxing and American football, so... IluvPitties Feb 2019 #332

They just don't see the person treestar Feb 2019 #367

It's not morality. It's the damage it does to people. treestar Feb 2019 #366

Patriots owner Kraft formally charged in Florida prostitution sting Mosby Feb 2019 #333

Didn't they have hundreds of warrants? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #334

Precious little on the sex workers' rights movement in these threads MountCleaners Feb 2019 #353

Certain posters here have a very extreme position. IluvPitties Mar 2019 #374

No one here has demonized sex trafficking victims. So please stop shaming consensual providers. Progressive Law Feb 2019 #354

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