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aikoaiko

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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:24 PM Mar 2019

Should the students who benefited from deceit be expelled? [View all]


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Yes
76 (82%)
No
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Yes freepotter Mar 2019 #1
USC (Lori Lauglin) University Policy. TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #57
If they knew? Yes. Otherwise no. Just MHO. Adrahil Mar 2019 #85
There's no way those kids didn't know mommy & daddy were sprinkling their college with wads of cash! TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #90
Totally agree. Chin music Mar 2019 #103
"Mom, Dad... I had no idea I was accepted on USC's crew. What the fuck is a crew?" TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #113
"Look it you little shit bird...Mom and Dad paid BIG BUCKS for you to get into Chin music Mar 2019 #115
Doesn't have something to do with wreaking. democratisphere Mar 2019 #187
Policy enid602 Mar 2019 #137
Wanda Austin is the interim USC president Zorro Mar 2019 #178
Yes caraher Mar 2019 #2
That screws Biden's run for POTUS right? AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #154
Does it? caraher Mar 2019 #169
He's got palgerism issues that have ruined 2 POTUS runs. AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #170
Then it was already a problem independent of this case caraher Mar 2019 #177
Depends, those who knew yes... those who didn't no 4139 Mar 2019 #3
C'mon, kids know if they were exceptional students or slackers. procon Mar 2019 #27
The few that didn't know, didn't do anything wrong. lostnfound Mar 2019 #29
How could they not know? Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #31
Because they're fucking stupid. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #60
lol. Joe941 Mar 2019 #82
Every student knows their grade points and SAT test scores. procon Mar 2019 #35
Rich kids go to private schools unitedwethrive Mar 2019 #41
That is not necessarily true about private schools Dream Girl Mar 2019 #159
Not if the proctor changed some of the answers FBaggins Mar 2019 #84
It wasn't a few -- the FBI stated almost none were aware obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #53
Doesn't matter... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #157
They had to have known mercuryblues Mar 2019 #181
Most of them would have known... meadowlander Mar 2019 #43
By and large, they did not get scholarship - Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #175
If they knew and acquiesced, yes. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #4
Not if they didn't know about it beforehand... ADX Mar 2019 #5
A GPA of 3, And They Didn't Know? ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #14
Not necessarily... ADX Mar 2019 #18
They Should, Shouldn't They? ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #48
The reporting indicates that some of the kids did not know. FBaggins Mar 2019 #78
there is also the possibility that some of the kids were actually smart... Javaman Mar 2019 #87
According to the prosecutors, some kids did not know MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #107
When my kids were accepted to their colleges FM123 Mar 2019 #6
i voted yes, assuming they knew about it Takket Mar 2019 #7
Their degree, if any should be revoked..they should have to test and apply - n/t asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #8
If they didn't know, let them finish the year and not be allowed back. AJT Mar 2019 #9
Well if their getting in was by deceit, it would seem they need to reapply Beringia Mar 2019 #10
Yes. In all cases they are taking the place of another student The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #11
Absolutely YES Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #92
Not sure how they compare? Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #100
I believe that your answer is provided in post 98 Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #109
It dreamer kids parents were as rich as these kids parents are, GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #98
Your trolling is tedious DBoon Mar 2019 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #143
Msybe he's learning his lesson because he's deleting all his posts. defacto7 Mar 2019 #190
Definitely Yes ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #93
Not Comparable ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #185
the daughters of Lori L had to know... they were admitted as fake members of a sports team Demovictory9 Mar 2019 #15
One of Lori L's daughters sounds like she didn't even want to be there in the first place crazycatlady Mar 2019 #68
This is amazing jberryhill Mar 2019 #71
Just what we need...another round of clueless Khardashian types. Chin music Mar 2019 #116
I ask because at first I was a Yes for expulsion if they knew, but now I'm just a yes. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #16
kick them out and make them re-apply DBoon Mar 2019 #17
Ditto! BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #132
of course not, just to one who commit admissions fraud DBoon Mar 2019 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #145
I'd be surprised if it isn't automatic. And no refunds. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #19
Did our "athletes" claim it on their applications? Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #20
Of course. Codeine Mar 2019 #21
If they knew, yes happybird Mar 2019 #22
If they had no part in the fraud, they should be allowed to finish the semester LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #23
only if they willingly participated in these schemes. nt msongs Mar 2019 #24
If the students should never have been accepted... Lancero Mar 2019 #26
And the tuition refund would probably go to customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #33
there is no reason to refund tuition if the kids were going there JI7 Mar 2019 #34
If the student did the work to earn their degree, how do you hughee99 Mar 2019 #37
When the students filled out applications... Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #39
Why is it almost impossible they didn't know? hughee99 Mar 2019 #40
The students themselved would have to report false info Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #46
Not all of the applicants required cheating on tests hughee99 Mar 2019 #56
If they cheated to get into the school, meadowlander Mar 2019 #45
I did hear on NPR that happened. cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #58
I don't think the kids get to stay. MissB Mar 2019 #67
Not all of these students required fake scores, and not all of them hughee99 Mar 2019 #61
So much data is transmitted electronically nowadays MissB Mar 2019 #66
How can one be sure mercuryblues Mar 2019 #69
So are you assuming academic fraud and assuming they should have known? hughee99 Mar 2019 #70
As I said mercuryblues Mar 2019 #72
In some cases, all the parent bought was a coach from hughee99 Mar 2019 #77
So on the application the sport was listed mercuryblues Mar 2019 #79
No. The kid played the sport for school and listed it. hughee99 Mar 2019 #81
That's why they were photoshopping mercuryblues Mar 2019 #88
I see the cnn story did not have this part hughee99 Mar 2019 #89
I wonder if this is the case the FBI was working mercuryblues Mar 2019 #104
I went to public school in a rural area. Less than 400 kids in high school. hughee99 Mar 2019 #122
If your parents rob a bank and put the money in a trust fund for you meadowlander Mar 2019 #94
So are you not a fan of DACA and want to deport the children hughee99 Mar 2019 #96
Kids in DACA aren't given citizenship. meadowlander Mar 2019 #99
The kids in DACA have an advantage toward citizenship over the children hughee99 Mar 2019 #101
I don't think it's okay for them to benefit, meadowlander Mar 2019 #186
You keep saying stolen goods like they stole an education. hughee99 Mar 2019 #188
See post 43 meadowlander Mar 2019 #191
While I agree that for students that did the work, a fair hughee99 Mar 2019 #192
My job is largely working with young adults preparing for high stakes testing Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #179
Expelled defacto7 Mar 2019 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #108
BY definition, Dreamers are transparent about their status and working on legitimate means of access aikoaiko Mar 2019 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #119
I thought we were talking about college admissions. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #123
My point is that Dreamers did not deceive college admissions processes. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #130
Did these kids? AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #138
Their parents paid six to seven figure bribes to get into the country? kcr Mar 2019 #182
No, not at all. Those are two completely different subjects. defacto7 Mar 2019 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #126
You need to explain how you can ask the question. defacto7 Mar 2019 #131
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #136
Sorry. There's no double standard. defacto7 Mar 2019 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #146
Ok... one more time... defacto7 Mar 2019 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #148
I'd think the kids would want to withdraw and go elsewhere or take time off Hoyt Mar 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #149
Old Geezer, go oil your gunz. Tell your buddies on the Discussionist, "Hoyt said Hi." Hoyt Mar 2019 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #158
Must be in a bad mood today, OldGeezer. Got any comments on politics? Hoyt Mar 2019 #161
I can say I'm not "OldGeezer".....that's something else you got wrong AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #163
No Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2019 #44
Agreed -- there is a lot of meanness in this thread obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #54
I have sympathy for the innocent students, but allowing them to stay delegitimizes admissions aikoaiko Mar 2019 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #172
Its a different situation. I know you love this analogy. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #174
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #176
I agree. Fortunately, the colleges are deciding quietly, case-by-case, it seems. Chemisse Mar 2019 #164
That's good news Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #165
I get the compassion for the kids, but its compassion for fraud, too. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #193
Yes, they are benefitting from fraud. fleur-de-lisa Mar 2019 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #125
Yes, but BlueSpot Mar 2019 #38
Yes. I have zero hesitation in that belief too. I don't care if they didn't know and I SweetieD Mar 2019 #42
Yes, regardless of whether the kids knew or not. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #47
Yes, no exceptions. zazfan Mar 2019 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #171
If the kid knew about it definitely yes. If the kid didn't know about it and is serious and doing Vinca Mar 2019 #50
Unfortunately, Yes dlk Mar 2019 #51
They didn't fraud anyone, their parents and other adults did obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #55
Almost none of the kids knew -- the sins of the fathers and mothers isn't a thing obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #52
It's not about punishing the students. It's about not tolerating fraud. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #141
Absolutely Not RobinA Mar 2019 #59
The issue isn't a lack of merit. The issue is fraud. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #120
Correct response Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #65
Exactly rusty fender Mar 2019 #75
They should be stripped naked, tattooed... jberryhill Mar 2019 #64
Sounds like a fine party you have planned. But after the festivities, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #73
How many otherwise-undeserving students are at a university ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #74
The issue isn't whether non-merit considerations were used, but was fraud involved. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #106
If I lied on a job application and was hired based on the lie DBoon Mar 2019 #76
If it is proven that they were unaware, no. If so, yes. Blue_true Mar 2019 #80
Yes, but they should not be made to pay any tuition back. n/t Coventina Mar 2019 #83
LOL Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #86
NO....Not if they weren't party to the deciet..Fraud. If they were...yes. AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #91
Are any of them accomplices? RandySF Mar 2019 #102
They got a benefit they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Demit Mar 2019 #111
But any of them went into college at 18 knowing what happened RandySF Mar 2019 #112
Sure, but that's a matter for a DA, if there's enuf evidence to bring charges. Demit Mar 2019 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #173
District Attorneys decide whom to prosecute, not you and I, so that's an odd question. Demit Mar 2019 #180
Expelling them is the only way to end the cheating. Paladin Mar 2019 #105
The USC students should be forced to transfer to UCLA Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #110
Absolutely, expulsion is a natural consequence for fraud n/t Devil Child Mar 2019 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #128
No, their parents should be! elleng Mar 2019 #127
BIG... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #129
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #151
huh? Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #168
I'd rather make their parents pay the full ride for other displaced students Raven123 Mar 2019 #133
If only it were a just world. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #135
The parents are filthy rich MichMan Mar 2019 #160
Yes. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #140
No, but their grades should be audited. If they wer ein on any sort of scholarship the parents Afromania Mar 2019 #142
If they knew Meowmee Mar 2019 #150
No but, they will carry that scar with them throughout their career liberal N proud Mar 2019 #152
absolutely and any that who have a diploma/degree needs it rescinded ASAP and a beachbum bob Mar 2019 #153
They signed the paperwork didn't they? SHRED Mar 2019 #155
Presumably. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #162
If they didn't know, they're too dumb to be there mainer Mar 2019 #167
Some should. Some shouldn't fescuerescue Mar 2019 #183
I wondering about students who have already graduated fescuerescue Mar 2019 #184
Yes the taxpayers samplegirl Mar 2019 #189
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