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DFW

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62. Not just Gingrich. Clinton came out smelling like a rose for his vindication
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:25 PM
Mar 2019

That was certainly not the goal of either Gingrich or Henry Hyde. The impeachment of Bill Clinton was to impede and distract a popular and effective president. They failed at impeding his presidency, and only mildly distracted him, in that he needed a defense at the trial.

Trump's presidency is already a failure, and with his attention span of 30 seconds or so, trying to distract him is almost beside the point. Therefore, the only two goals accomplished in 1998-99 are already done deals. A failure is a failure. You can't execute a dead man.

What I do NOT want to see is Trump doing the happy dance of vindication after the inevitable acquittal by the current Republican Senate with the currently available evidence.

THAT is the "essence of my case," and if you don't find it very compelling, we'll just have to disagree on what compels whom. You have the more difficult task, as Nancy Pelosi doesn't seem to have been compelled by your argument so far, either.

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There is no reason to impeach at this point. PTWB Mar 2019 #1
Exactly the point of article..politics over what's right??? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #4
And when a failed impeachment nets us 4 more years? SlogginThroughIt Mar 2019 #17
Pence Is Not The Concern ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #43
Who would detooth him? Republican senate? SlogginThroughIt Mar 2019 #63
Reality ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #70
are you assuming he doesn't win a second term? SlogginThroughIt Mar 2019 #72
If it would have him a 2020 victory, that is not what's right treestar Mar 2019 #20
I agree - that's the risk. But, in my view, the offsetting risk of inaction, we are seeing ACTUALLY Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #22
Perhaps. That is why proof is necessary treestar Mar 2019 #23
Rolling Stone missing the entire message of what Pelosi said, beachbum bob Mar 2019 #2
Actually I think you may be missing Chickensoup Mar 2019 #7
Not to be critical of the point you are making, but at this particular moment in time it is about still_one Mar 2019 #51
" he's just not worth it" , House Speaker Nancy Pelosi . stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #3
That is the problem in my thinking.. LiberalArkie Mar 2019 #21
This is intellectually dishonest. Zoonart Mar 2019 #5
Of course in a just world he is "worth" impeachment, but this is not a just world, and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #6
Guess you have to weigh the two outcomes...the known...that trump's actions have been Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #13
This is one of the things that concerns me, area51 Mar 2019 #60
Good points. But think about how much more magnified it will be when the Mueller report comes Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #69
Trump's actions have not been legitimized yet, but they will be if he is... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #74
I agree. We will never know until we do make the effort what the consequences will be. 58Sunliner Mar 2019 #8
Perfectly stated!!!! Bottom line...how do you inspire when your position is that you Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #15
Amen. 58Sunliner Mar 2019 #61
What are the dem leaders waiting for - an engraved invitation? Blues Heron Mar 2019 #9
The biggest harm of not impeaching, to me, is that it legitimizes his actions! Just like Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #11
Double so fescuerescue Mar 2019 #53
Let it be on their hands then Blues Heron Mar 2019 #57
Yes. 50 of them will feel bad fescuerescue Mar 2019 #58
+1 Blues Heron Mar 2019 #56
The window is closing madville Mar 2019 #10
Sadly, that is probably true. Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #12
Bill Clinton of course mnmoderatedem Mar 2019 #14
I personally believe the dumpsterr is seriously damaging our county and its social fabric, and if it c-rational Mar 2019 #16
The 1st sentence states what kacekwl Mar 2019 #18
If the Republicans were not so unashamedly partisan treestar Mar 2019 #19
Think the author made a good point. Not impeaching is a gift to the GOP - they can Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #24
Rollingstone spike91nz Mar 2019 #25
How does having the President acquitted by the Senate whopis01 Mar 2019 #73
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has an obligation to do what is best for the country njhoneybadger Mar 2019 #26
Problem with the logic is that Pelosi was also Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #34
Is it a choice or a duty? yaesu Mar 2019 #27
It's obviously a choice. There in lies the travesty of Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #36
Trump and the GOP will claim we want to Impeach him anyway, so we should... JoeOtterbein Mar 2019 #28
Best argument yet !!!!!! Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #37
Thanks! JoeOtterbein Mar 2019 #41
Yes, your job is done! No point in making us Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #46
Failure to impeach carries a much higher risk of defeat than playing it safe BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #29
To add, congressional hearings WILL uncover more dirt Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #42
I think we need Mueller's report. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #30
This is gonna "sting" here at DU Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #31
Thank you, FaC. democrank Mar 2019 #39
+1 Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #67
K&R. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #32
That's one of the things I thought . . reacting to that statement pdsimdars Mar 2019 #33
Trump would be impeached, but not convicted by the Senate. I don't understand how impeachment jalan48 Mar 2019 #35
After Reading the Whole Rolling Stone Article, panfluteman Mar 2019 #38
Yes, yes to the nth degree. Start drafting articles ASAP or Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #45
Kick dalton99a Mar 2019 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author LibDemAlways Mar 2019 #44
DUH. Of COURSE he's worth impeaching. No one disputes that. The question is: DFW Mar 2019 #47
Philippe Reines covered that BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #49
And I disagree with Philippe Reines. His word is no more gospel than mine is. DFW Mar 2019 #54
His main point is impeachment was not a net negative for Republicans BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #55
Not just Gingrich. Clinton came out smelling like a rose for his vindication DFW Mar 2019 #62
No need to wait on the happy dance of vindication BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #64
Geez, they sure do stick together! Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #68
Very good History Channel piece on why Clinton survived impeachment Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #65
Near-term survival, yes BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #66
+1 treestar Mar 2019 #71
That was one poor sentence in an otherwise ok statement. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #48
Anyone who commited impeachable crimes and IS convictable fescuerescue Mar 2019 #50
And continue committing TREASON. triron Mar 2019 #52
how many will stay home on election day because of no impeachment? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #59
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