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Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:45 PM

Aug 2012

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So, I'm in Yosemite this week, talking to a Dutch Woman there with her family [View all] Burma Jones Aug 2012 OP

She nailed it. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #1

It's been speculated that the use of lead pipes in ancient Roman plumbing was one of TheDebbieDee Aug 2012 #150

You are forgetting the 60-plus years of the use of leaded gasoline. AdHocSolver Aug 2012 #152

Side question a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #2

Still there and thriving (sadly enough) nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #3

...sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #5

I read that as "grab a club and learn some science" the first time entanglement Aug 2012 #121

both versions work well a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #135

It might almost be worth postulating that science IS a religion. sibelian Aug 2012 #207

Hey... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #215

Not necessarily; A HERETIC I AM Aug 2012 #10

That's good to know. I got the information from a quick google search riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #27

I'm embarassed to admit reflection Aug 2012 #28

"Do it for your children, if not for yourself," AlbertCat Aug 2012 #70

No reflection Aug 2012 #85

Don't feel guilty! AlbertCat Aug 2012 #90

Thanks. reflection Aug 2012 #92

You sound like Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #107

Make sure before your children are old enough to decide that they have at least coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #109

Agree wholeheartedly. reflection Aug 2012 #184

You feel guilty? Over what!? Wednesdays Aug 2012 #144

I know. reflection Aug 2012 #186

DO IT FOR YOUR CHILDREN????? REALLY???? ladym55 Aug 2012 #141

This is why churches are tax exempt AlbertCat Aug 2012 #69

Most of my heroes are heretics! I really enjoyed the last couple of lines from that blog article: jamesatemple Aug 2012 #119

"Natural Selection is not Evolution" Blecht Aug 2012 #4

I can't see references to BJU without snickering. JBoy Aug 2012 #6

Holy Shit mikeysnot Aug 2012 #11

I remember reading somewhere that a lotta fed grants paid for that museum. (Yes we built that too) DippyDem Aug 2012 #26

I noticed that, too Blecht Aug 2012 #45

Hey, ignorance is always expensive, both short- and long-term. n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #111

The creation museum, where truth goes to die. alfredo Aug 2012 #49

LOL! Good one! smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #200

GRIN alfredo Aug 2012 #201

it's in my backyard..... kywildcat Aug 2012 #23

There is a billboard in Oklahoma City yesphan Aug 2012 #30

I bet most of the visitors to that museum go there for a laugh. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #29

Sounds like a good place to drop acid. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #62

I suppose in a Hunter S. "Fear and loathing" kind of way Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #67

It's the only way. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #114

no, no more than most go to fundamentalist mega churches just for laughs Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #71

No-it's deadly serious to them kywildcat Aug 2012 #77

Expensive laugh! liam_laddie Aug 2012 #168

"Welcome and prepare to believe" Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #65

Wow a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #68

placing them in familiar settings. AlbertCat Aug 2012 #72

That's the kind of place you walk around with a one-hitter and laugh your ass off snooper2 Aug 2012 #96

I don't even like smoking pot Aerows Aug 2012 #174

Just laugh very quietly. Mariana Aug 2012 #180

My response would have been American ignorance rivals racial superiority ideas of Europe. gordianot Aug 2012 #7

The problem with your comparison is that the things you want to tar Europe with kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #14

Europe has a real problem with anti-semitism, anti-immigrant and just outright racism today. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #53

Mainly in the past, perhaps, but not completely. Google "Right Wing Europe" sometime. n/t whathehell Aug 2012 #54

No not really lunasun Aug 2012 #139

Go back far enough in history and everyone has something truly despicable to account for.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #15

Oh. My. God. Words fail me. classof56 Aug 2012 #32

I have seen it before... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #40

The movie Borat showed us the pro slavery crowd is still alive. alfredo Aug 2012 #50

Yes but the problem with what you are saying is avebury Aug 2012 #24

I am not sure doomed to repeat history as much as it is in our DNA. gordianot Aug 2012 #63

I would agree with that. avebury Aug 2012 #76

As a fan of SciFi we are probably Mottee from the "Mote in God's Eye". gordianot Aug 2012 #91

The willful ignorance in this country has become a quality too many like to brag about! snappyturtle Aug 2012 #8

On balance, our standard of living is so high Cosmocat Aug 2012 #17

I hope that was sarcasm Progressive dog Aug 2012 #31

They do, and I'm happy for them and wish we had it, but whathehell Aug 2012 #64

We BY FAR live lives more full of material goods and constant entertainment. Cosmocat Aug 2012 #106

I think there's more home ownership here, as well, at LEAST until the most recent foreclosure crisis whathehell Aug 2012 #191

Ah ... the "middle" Cosmocat Aug 2012 #199

I agreee...Thanks for your input. n/t whathehell Aug 2012 #202

My son lives in UK riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #128

I have a suggestion for your son whathehell Aug 2012 #173

It is coming - just like in about 30 years or less whites in America will be in the minority riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #192

Yes, I hope so. whathehell Aug 2012 #198

How Many American Families Can Afford A Vacation to Holland? Yavin4 Aug 2012 #39

Not mine... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #41

Not sure what the point there is ... Cosmocat Aug 2012 #108

I Live in NYC Yavin4 Aug 2012 #117

Which contributes to Americans' ignorance Wednesdays Aug 2012 #145

Hogsnot Cosmocat Aug 2012 #167

The Issue is Beyond Simple Affluence Yavin4 Aug 2012 #187

Vering off course a bit Cosmocat Aug 2012 #189

Thank you...Everyone but one in my immediate family has been to Europe at least once. whathehell Aug 2012 #195

Our "standard of living" is high, your are right if you mean for the 1%. Quite a lot of people nanabugg Aug 2012 #44

Come on Cosmocat Aug 2012 #102

A lot is the emphasis put on "faith" -- like faith is a good thing. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #181

A lot of people have "faith" in things other than religion. whathehell Aug 2012 #203

My comment was relevant to this thread. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #204

Absolutely. sinkingfeeling Aug 2012 #9

I had a similar experience flying, while seated next to a Dutch male siligut Aug 2012 #12

The Netherlands is a small country ladym55 Aug 2012 #143

"That ignorance is a real sign of decadence" . . yeppers. . .n/t annabanana Aug 2012 #13

Yes, it is decadence. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #16

Our luxury is going to cost us a lot. undeterred Aug 2012 #18

The US has a tiny minority who believe man rode dinosaurs, and refute evolution. Swamp Lover Aug 2012 #19

that depends... Hoosier Aug 2012 #22

Close enough genxlib Aug 2012 #25

"The rest simply ignore the science or find some other silly way to avoid the facts". whathehell Aug 2012 #83

If you consider 40% to be small Progressive dog Aug 2012 #33

A significant chunk, almost half, of Americans "don't believe" in evolution. Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #34

Close to half is not a small number. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #38

Not small, but still a minority. whathehell Aug 2012 #61

And growing nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #66

Possibly, but whathehell Aug 2012 #78

No, you are quite wrong, do you live in a swamp? Burma Jones Aug 2012 #75

"America is the only country to leap from barbarism straight over civilization to decadence" TexasProgresive Aug 2012 #20

Really?...How about when we were "civilized" enough to help rescue Europe from it's "decadence" whathehell Aug 2012 #57

to help rescue Europe from it's "decadence" AlbertCat Aug 2012 #79

Unless you imagine racial superiority and genocide to symbolize "enlightenment". whathehell Aug 2012 #98

What are you blathering on about? AlbertCat Aug 2012 #156

What am I "blathering" about?...LOL..Good try, pretend not to "understand" whathehell Aug 2012 #163

Thank the republican party for allowing the teavangelicas to take over their party. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #21

Dr Frankenstein lost control of his monster too. alfredo Aug 2012 #52

LOL, that's funny southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #110

I know of absolutely no one that believes "humans rode dinosaurs"... yawnmaster Aug 2012 #35

But 40% of Americans... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #42

Are you sure of that stat?...Seems awfully high. whathehell Aug 2012 #51

Look here, look elsewhere..........Actually, 78% of people believe in some version of a fairy tale.. Burma Jones Aug 2012 #81

"Fairy tale" my ass...The figures indicate that a narrow majority accept evolution, with or without whathehell Aug 2012 #93

May I ask how old you are?... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #97

Sure. whathehell Aug 2012 #100

To be totally honest with you... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #118

Right. whathehell Aug 2012 #123

Yes, she was the last one... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #124

Yes, and that is too bad. whathehell Aug 2012 #127

You know, I just remembered something... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #142

Higher Power = some version of a Fairy Tale Burma Jones Aug 2012 #105

Sez you. whathehell Aug 2012 #125

I'm sorry if I offended you. Burma Jones Aug 2012 #148

Do you realize you're repeating yourself? whathehell Aug 2012 #162

I'm not the one with the angry user name and hidden posts Burma Jones Aug 2012 #178

Nice try, honey, but hidden posts are only accounted for in 90 day increments. whathehell Aug 2012 #182

40% of doctors believe you can pray away disease AlbertCat Aug 2012 #82

40% of doctors in denial of their own medical training, and with far more responsibility than the whathehell Aug 2012 #89

prayer eltrippero Aug 2012 #99

Maybe prayer works for some AlbertCat Aug 2012 #154

FAR more calamitous state of affairs. AlbertCat Aug 2012 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Aug 2012 #160

Um, yes. I think so. whathehell Aug 2012 #161

I think they believe in the placebo effect, and the placebo is "whatever works for the patient." MADem Aug 2012 #146

You do realize my example was made up.... right? AlbertCat Aug 2012 #155

No, that wasn't clear to me, and thanks for pointing it out to me. MADem Aug 2012 #176

In your most paranoid fantasy whathehell Aug 2012 #169

You should get out more. <G> Let me introduce you to jtuck004 Aug 2012 #120

I always thought the only way a kid could ride a dinosaur was with a time machine... MADem Aug 2012 #147

How Many American Families Are In Holland on Vacation? Yavin4 Aug 2012 #36

It certainly tells you why so many Americans are so stoopid about "socialized medicine." CTyankee Aug 2012 #46

Bullshit...They're being BRAINWASHED by those with a vested financial interest in private insurance whathehell Aug 2012 #126

well, there are those who don't seem to know that "socialized medicine" is not bad! CTyankee Aug 2012 #133

I didn't deny that, my point goes to whathehell Aug 2012 #164

My American family can afford it...n/t whathehell Aug 2012 #59

Can you go without borrowing money to pay for it? Yavin4 Aug 2012 #94

Yes. whathehell Aug 2012 #104

The Dutch Woman in the OP was with her kids Yavin4 Aug 2012 #116

Whatever. whathehell Aug 2012 #122

I don't know. Do you have some numbers? eom yawnmaster Aug 2012 #95

Nailed it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #37

you have several options. cyclezealot Aug 2012 #43

Oh my, that one is in California. Yikes. nt Live and Learn Aug 2012 #60

It's in "Klantee," which is not characteristic of most of California slackmaster Aug 2012 #101

Corrupt, decadent, empire in decline, yes; obvious since the 1970s at least. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #47

I don't know where you live whathehell Aug 2012 #172

Vietnam. Nixon. Watergate. Disco. Reagan. Lying "News" media. Police riots. bemildred Aug 2012 #175

Yes, and of course, other countries never experience similar situations, right? whathehell Aug 2012 #177

Yes, they do, and it is fucking well obvious in their case too. nt bemildred Aug 2012 #183

Really?...Then why not start bashing them? whathehell Aug 2012 #185

I do, all the time. bemildred Aug 2012 #188

On this site? whathehell Aug 2012 #190

Yes, of course they are. sibelian Aug 2012 #208

Sometimes.. whathehell Aug 2012 #209

Right wing Europe is not a serious contender for anything on that continent. sibelian Aug 2012 #210

Yeah, that's what they thought before Hitler and Mussolini too. whathehell Aug 2012 #211

Miss the days when it was the other way round, do you? sibelian Aug 2012 #212

Bwhahahahaha whathehell Aug 2012 #213

Over your head? sibelian Aug 2012 #214

Under it. whathehell Aug 2012 #216

Decadence is our problem. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #48

Are you a Distributist too? eilen Aug 2012 #55

Thanks to the religious right we are in decline! B Calm Aug 2012 #56

Oswald Spengler Wrote of this a Century Ago mckara Aug 2012 #58

Evolution isn't a belief. Alduin Aug 2012 #73

Hence the quote marks around "believing" Burma Jones Aug 2012 #84

I don't believe in gravity! Taverner Aug 2012 #87

More American believe God created humans in their present form than believe God guided evolution Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #74

Part of it is the "persecution complex" of Christians... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #80

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." - 2 Timothy 3:12 Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #88

The Right knows this and link themselves to the fundies every time they whine about the media... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #112

She's spot on. Taverner Aug 2012 #86

Not only is this a decadent thought process but so is the Ayn Rand philosophy. Arctic Dave Aug 2012 #103

Ironic that Koch Tea Party funders also funded Wash DC REAL dinosaur museum. ErikJ Aug 2012 #113

I thought the same thing recently.. in order to be a glutton, you must close your eyes to the world trailmonkee Aug 2012 #115

My NJ republican bubba brother is very proud to know nothing about the world riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #130

and i bet you he is a nice guy..... trailmonkee Aug 2012 #132

No he is not a nice guy riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #136

About 20 years ago I had a conversation with a Dutch man I knew. Quantess Aug 2012 #129

President ROMNEY. Make you sick, break out your wallet, quit talking. developertest01 Aug 2012 #131

We have segments of America that believe science is a liberal conspiracy and view ignorance as bliss ck4829 Aug 2012 #134

The Dutch are generally sane MrScorpio Aug 2012 #137

ignorance and arrogance are signs lunasun Aug 2012 #138

Absolutely & THINK of the systemic consequences of that fact, the CO$T$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of ignorance!!! patrice Aug 2012 #140

Totally unrelated: Yosemite is awesome Nevernose Aug 2012 #149

11th grade Anthropology class studying evolution of skull ellie_belly Aug 2012 #151

Isn't it kind of rude to go to a foreign country and insult the people there? BlueCheese Aug 2012 #157

It's arrogant and what Americans get called "ugly" for doing it. Raine Aug 2012 #158

That's not particularly what Americans get called ugly for doing in other countries. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #166

If by "that" you mean arrogance, cultural insensitivity, etc., I'd have to disagree with you. whathehell Aug 2012 #171

Well, the OP disagrees with you. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #194

I don't really care. whathehell Aug 2012 #196

Thank you. whathehell Aug 2012 #170

No. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #193

Well, when you tell us what "that" is, whathehell Aug 2012 #197

Yes. whathehell Aug 2012 #217

To be fair, I doubt she would have said it if she knew 7000 people would read it. Prometheus Bound Aug 2012 #159

She was clearly invited into an intellectual discussion and she had one. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #165

She was definitely not rude, nor were her husband and children Burma Jones Aug 2012 #179

It's certainly on parade in this thread XemaSab Aug 2012 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Aug 2012 #206