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Drunken Irishman

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75. Not just Barr - Mueller, too.

Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:38 PM

Mar 2019

The writing has been on the wall for a minute now. It just all came together today.

This explains why, despite a Mueller memo from April, 2017, suggested Paul Manafort was colluding with Russians when he was working for the Trump Campaign, he was never brought up on those charges TWO YEARS later. Rosenstein wanted Mueller to investigate the collusion claims ... yet no actual charges were filed in regards to those initial claims. It also answers the question why most the indictments weren't actually centered around collusion.

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Bottom line: This is a disaster for Democrats. [View all] Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 OP

No words... StarryNite Mar 2019 #1

Trump's appointed hatchet man makes a pronouncement and you lap it up like it's gold. writes3000 Mar 2019 #2

No. That is what Barr decided. Mueller turned over the evidence blm Mar 2019 #3

Barr only decided he didn't believe there was evidence Trump obstructed... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #7

Nope, you're reading it the way Barr expected when he used weasel words. blm Mar 2019 #9

TRUMP'S "LOVER" .... Barr is a liar trueblue2007 Mar 2019 #52

Barr didn't say there was no evidence Trump obstructed: k8conant Mar 2019 #55

Not sufficient... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #59

Wow. You're really working hard to advocate for Barr's veracity here. blm Mar 2019 #70

Not just Barr - Mueller, too. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #75

LOL blm Mar 2019 #80

Yup. It'd explain why all those indictments weren't ever really tied to Russia. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #95

Wow. You're admitting it. kcr Mar 2019 #116

Facts are facts, no? Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #119

I find this tough to argue against, DI, sad as that is to say ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #4

This is all true.. still it does not white wash the terrible things he has done .. far from it Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #5

Except that "I'm not a crook" didn't work for Nixon, did it? RHMerriman Mar 2019 #6

The big issue here is the collusion part. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #10

"collusion" is not a crime listed in any applicable criminal code in the US; if you're going to RHMerriman Mar 2019 #19

I fear that you are correct. Anymore pressing on this issue is going to only look bad for us ForgedCrank Mar 2019 #34

... orangecrush Mar 2019 #101

That's good not bad. Collusion has so dominated the narrative, Kurt V. Mar 2019 #104

Is obstruction of Justice possible in a situation at140 Mar 2019 #109

That's a good question... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #113

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #8

Not a disaster. The dems didn't appoint the special counsel Buckeyeblue Mar 2019 #11

Democrats have spent two years singing Mueller's praise. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #13

You haven't read Mueller's words. You only swallowed Barr's spin. blm Mar 2019 #15

I'm skeptical there's that level of contradiction in Mueller's report. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #17

Of course you are. Because swallowing Barr's spin showed your level of doubt blm Mar 2019 #24

No because Barr flat-out said there wasn't evidence of collusion. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #26

Swallow all Barr's weasel words you want. blm Mar 2019 #31

barr's response is official. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #86

The other thing is what does the report say... Buckeyeblue Mar 2019 #21

+1. Republican special counsel appointed by Republican attorney general dalton99a Mar 2019 #27

We may all agree with you here, but the problem we have is public perception. ForgedCrank Mar 2019 #42

Yeah, DI is apparently the kind of individual who makes judgments absent evidence RHMerriman Mar 2019 #82

how is it a disaster?? qazplm135 Mar 2019 #12

I said as much at the end... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #20

Oh fer chrissakes. Then write your congressman and demand NO hearings on blm Mar 2019 #35

lol okay. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #47

BARR said that. Mueller didn't. Swallow the BS. Stop puking it here. blm Mar 2019 #54

I'm good, thanks. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #57

continued investigation into what? qazplm135 Mar 2019 #49

But that was the big-ticket item we all hung our hopes on... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #89

"guaranteed' BlueStater Mar 2019 #111

who's we? qazplm135 Mar 2019 #115

This is not a disaster for Democrats. It isn't. secondwind Mar 2019 #14

Who appointed the Special Counsel? Kingofalldems Mar 2019 #16

Who's spent two years praising that special council? Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #18

Who hasn't read one word of Mueller's report yet regurgitates Barr's weasel words blm Mar 2019 #28

Keep burying your head in the sand. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #30

Lol. Advocate against the full report being released as your next act then. blm Mar 2019 #40

I think it should be released. I don't believe it'll change the narrative. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #44

You trust Barr's words and not Mueller's that you haven't read. blm Mar 2019 #64

I trust the evidence of the investigation... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #72

LOLOLOL blm Mar 2019 #73

So explain why Mueller didn't charge Manafort with collusion? Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #76

I'll read Mueller's report. Unlike you who was ready to swallow blm Mar 2019 #84

You don't need to read the report to know he didn't charge Manafort with collusion... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #87

Sure, DI. Sure. blm Mar 2019 #90

I think the questions were answered... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #94

You think that because you are Barr's target audience. blm Mar 2019 #99

Sure, blm, sure... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #102

Agree 100% keith sw Mar 2019 #41

I can't quarrel with the evidence you assembled. It's solid. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #22

No, it isn't. DI said "Mueller admits..." That is a LIE. Barr is saying it, yet, DI is blm Mar 2019 #50

Regardless I'm not in the disaster camp. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #56

Yup. I knew Barr was going to protect Trump. Dems are screwed Arazi Mar 2019 #23

The pardons and judicial appointments will be hard to keep track of. nt allgood33 Mar 2019 #25

So does that mean you won't be voting in 2020? BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #32

Because the Dems will nominate Beto or god forbid Bernie maryellen99 Mar 2019 #36

I'll wait for the translation. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #38

I agree w DI's OP. He/r excellent summary works for me Arazi Mar 2019 #58

But we are screwed, right? BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #67

You didn't read the OP did you? Arazi Mar 2019 #78

You didn't write the OP BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #85

make a counter argument then. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #98

My counter argument BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #105

That's one way. see my 104 . That's another way Kurt V. Mar 2019 #106

Better get to your 'fraidy hole then. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #29

We have a tweet underpants Mar 2019 #33

To be expected, unfortunately... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #45

OMG! k8conant Mar 2019 #66

I read where Mueller farmed out things keith sw Mar 2019 #37

The bad guys always win in the end. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #39

But is this "the end"? ForgedCrank Mar 2019 #46

No, not the end. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #48

It's not over until the fat guy sinks... k8conant Mar 2019 #69

Not always, just far too many times. misanthrope Mar 2019 #63

I am very thankful for The wisdom and strength of leader Pelosi mainstreetonce Mar 2019 #43

It will make Democrats stronger Iliyah Mar 2019 #51

i'm not concerned at all . stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #53

Nor should you be BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #61

I don't think the report said no collusion? Meowmee Mar 2019 #60

You're right it doesn't state no collusion... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #62

We know there is evidence Meowmee Mar 2019 #68

The report DID say "no collusion"... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #100

Wasn't that Barr's interpretation though? Meowmee Mar 2019 #108

Here's this ... Kurt V. Mar 2019 #65

He flagrantly breaks the law constantly. BlueStater Mar 2019 #74

This is a victory for Trump. Period. inwiththenew Mar 2019 #71

score one for the bad guys Terminally_Chill Mar 2019 #77

Your message body hits the hardest... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #79

We need to put this as far behind us as possible and concentrate on defeating trump/GOPers in 2020. Hoyt Mar 2019 #81

This is bad but obliviously Mar 2019 #83

Yup, this pretty much guarantees 4 more years. Fucking great. Initech Mar 2019 #88

More defeatist garbage. BlueStater Mar 2019 #96

Sorry, but that is not what the Muller report said. The decisions on whether their was colusion or still_one Mar 2019 #91

It will be up to the voters Turbineguy Mar 2019 #92

Exactly. It always was, and with the trade wars, and insane economic policies, which are now still_one Mar 2019 #103

In a way Trump has played this politcally very well andym Mar 2019 #93

Well, it didn't "exonerate" him as much as it failed to find sufficient evidence misanthrope Mar 2019 #107

Never underestimate a crooked billionaire from at140 Mar 2019 #110

Trump didn't panic because he has gotten away with crimes throughout his life Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #118

Yep. Socal31 Mar 2019 #97

Bullshit! bluecollar2 Mar 2019 #112

The Fat Lady is not singing yet Bloviating Ignoramus Mar 2019 #114

"but a simple "nothing is off the table" would have sufficed from Pelosi." ehrnst Mar 2019 #120

A hell of a thread to see on DU. Regurgitated rightwing spew I could've done without, thanks. nt Doremus Mar 2019 #117

+1 obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #121