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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
22. It's not that simple.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:20 PM
Apr 2019

When your boss or a powerful man with influence over your career or your recommendations or your inclusions in meetings --starts breathing on you and squeezing you and kissing your hair---you are confused.

Is he coming onto you? Is this an invitation to an affair?

Of course--you can say "no" and you certainly aren't going to have an affair---but you have to remain silent and just manage him.

As a young woman I remember years of avoiding getting into the elevator with my boss. Being happy and smiling and just managing him so that I would not create a passive-aggressive work environment for myself. Power differentials usually work in only one direction.

You can only say a direct "no" if you have nothing to lose. Nothing at stake.

It shouldn't be on the woman to have to defend her person space anyway. To say it's on her is sort of like asking a true rape victim, why was she out so late or why was she dressed like that. As if the problem is on her to solve.

Women don't do this to men unless they are coming on to them. I shouldn't have to say "no" if the man didn't see it as his unspoken privilege to enter my space like that.

This is about privilege, not sexual harrasment. It shouldn't be tolerated.

"People here are condemning anyone who touches them as if it were a violent crime." eShirl Apr 2019 #1
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Frank Bruni made a good point in this op-ed: The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6
It is not only a risky strategy, it is a losing one. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #65
I SO hear you, sinkingfeeling... Guilded Lilly Apr 2019 #8
This 70 year old Male appreciates your post and agrees that we are in the verge of losing Atticus Apr 2019 #9
Oh, it already is. Ligyron Apr 2019 #26
Thank you! redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #10
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Love what you shared... Dan Apr 2019 #16
Great comments Ruby the Liberal Apr 2019 #17
Amen!! Alliepoo Apr 2019 #19
In my own case, being a mid 50's male, I agree with you bhikkhu Apr 2019 #20
awwwwwwwww.... Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #49
It's not that simple. zentrum Apr 2019 #22
I disagree. I was a woman in a large corporation with a 500 to 1 sinkingfeeling Apr 2019 #23
I respectfully disagree crimycarny Apr 2019 #29
Of course you can say "no". zentrum Apr 2019 #43
I agree with you. Especially about how men see it as an unspoken privilege to touch women. Demit Apr 2019 #33
That's it exactly. zentrum Apr 2019 #44
Are you old enough to remember when he got hair plugs for his receding hairline? Demit Apr 2019 #45
Our humanity is dying. StarryNite Apr 2019 #24
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I hear you, but... Sparkly Apr 2019 #27
We elected a black man. SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #41
Right fucking on ! WheelWalker Apr 2019 #28
K&R EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #30
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My consolation on that point DFW Apr 2019 #40
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I am a 71 year old female who grew up without a lot of touching demigoddess Apr 2019 #36
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K&R HAB911 Apr 2019 #39
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My two cents lambchopp59 Apr 2019 #69
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I didn't say anything starphlo Apr 2019 #78
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me2 jrellis Apr 2019 #75
Different people have different reactions to being hugged. Some people are huggers and others aren't Nitram Apr 2019 #77
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