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brooklynite

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84. For what? Avoiding something worse...

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:04 PM

Apr 2019

If you impeach Trump and don't convict him, here's what happens:

1. You let Trump and his apologists claim he was acquitted.

2. You let Trump rally his troops on the argument that the Democrats are "out to get him".

3. You risk pissing off the middle of the road voters who helped us win the House back on the assumption that we were going to focus on their economic issues, not fixate on Trump personally.

All of which lessen the chance we'll win the White House and INCREASE the chance we'll lose the House.

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WE NEED TO START IMPEACHMENT NOW. WE CANNOT WAIT. [View all] EveHammond13 Apr 2019 OP

Pelosi's "math" and "bipartisan" will NEVER HAPPEN Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #1

+1 EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #12

Bi-partisanship should only occur at the trial in the Senate... Eyeball_Kid Apr 2019 #16

+1, at minimum let the people see who wants to keep the crook in office. We don't elect kings !!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #51

+1 Impeachment hearings would give NY, and other states, huge cover Ponietz Apr 2019 #61

Perfidy! The perfect word to describe what we are witnessing daily for 28 months now. KPN Apr 2019 #64

Not how it goes DownriverDem Apr 2019 #102

I support this SHRED Apr 2019 #2

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Apr 2019 #3

Terrible mistake. It's too late for parlor games. n/t Eyeball_Kid Apr 2019 #8

we have so little time - people will start voting Sept 2020! (absentee at least) EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #17

Why would you consider impeachment a parlor game? Nixon was impeached for much less. I think at Maraya1969 Apr 2019 #116

They either have no power or they're afraid to use it. FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #45

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #53

April 23rd because they are in recess LEW Apr 2019 #108

Harry Reid refused to vote on House legislation during the Obama days. GitRDun Apr 2019 #4

We don't need removal just light and we don't get light without impeachment uponit7771 Apr 2019 #6

+1000 SHRED Apr 2019 #9

AMEN EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #20

yes Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #36

THIS KPN Apr 2019 #65

Yep, it isn't even about removal at this point Bettie Apr 2019 #104

This. eom sprinkleeninow Apr 2019 #105

K&R, the Clinton impeachment comparisons are fallacious at best for a number of reasons uponit7771 Apr 2019 #5

I see what you did there happybird Apr 2019 #93

:smirk: uponit7771 Apr 2019 #95

It's Pelosi who must conclude that there is no choice. Eyeball_Kid Apr 2019 #7

YES! SHRED Apr 2019 #10

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ to the ultimate power. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #18

Agree 100% - no matter how hard some here try to insult me and discourage me. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #19

+1000 EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #26

ignore them Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #74

NOW OR NEVER EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #22

+1, Red Don isn't as popular as 43 or 42, he disgust the middle and floated 10 - 20 points by his uponit7771 Apr 2019 #23

well said nt Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #71

I would submit that Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #98

No More Off the Table and Waiting! McKim Apr 2019 #107

Two Party System Failure Dot L Apr 2019 #117

I am unashamed to say that I support every. word. you. said. No matter how hard others work DontBooVote Apr 2019 #11

Yelling doesn't help make your case... brooklynite Apr 2019 #13

We need light first and then decide on conviction and if there's no removal because of KGOP ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #25

You force me to quote William Lloyd Garrison Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #77

For what? Avoiding something worse... brooklynite Apr 2019 #84

+1 TwilightZone Apr 2019 #113

I agree with you but.... kentuck Apr 2019 #14

Don't be silly. Certain acquittal in the senate gives trump a "total vindication" victory lap. PSPS Apr 2019 #15

Impeachment by the House is a stain that will last for all of history - will enrage trump EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #24

imagine Ivanka running for President "I'm running even though my father got impeached" ???!!! EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #29

Phooey. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #79

Then don't convict, simple ... the light from impeachment is what is needed ... not a political uponit7771 Apr 2019 #27

we will look like sniveling cowards for all of history if we don't act to impeach now EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #31

+1, there's little downside relative to the facts. There's little upside when it comes to elections uponit7771 Apr 2019 #37

So, it would not be apparent to all but the most hard-core tRump supporters that the evidence DontBooVote Apr 2019 #30

+1, people would be smart enough to make Red Don as popular than Clinton but not .... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #39

So do nothing is the answer? angrychair Apr 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #99

You are right Progressive dog Apr 2019 #115

The Resistance created the Blue Wave and gave us enormous momentum Ponietz Apr 2019 #21

+1, I can see Pelosi trying to time impeachment till around the election and claim the KGOP ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #96

Apparently you forget the outcome of the Clinton impeachment. Clinton's approval rating skyrocketed Vinca Apr 2019 #28

that's because the BC impeachment was BOGUS and America knew it EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #34

A good chunk of the country would view this as bogus, too. You forget that only a fraction Vinca Apr 2019 #40

Light would be the point, we don't need conviction or removal just the impeachment process so they uponit7771 Apr 2019 #47

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think it's a waste of time. Vinca Apr 2019 #52

There's no agreeing or disagreeing with facts, Clinton was popular with republicans Red Don is not.. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #54

and so what else do we do? Can't legislate. Can't conduct oversight. We're dead in the water. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #55

We can have light without impeachment wryter2000 Apr 2019 #86

Not with Red Don's crew, we wont have power to charge with OoJ of impeachment proceedings uponit7771 Apr 2019 #90

That's not what polling shows. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #80

THIS !!!! Over 80% of Americans want to see the Mueller report. 80% of us cant agree on the weather! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #91

a good chunk (those not paying attention) would be shocked to learn Kurt V. Apr 2019 #97

+1, the all of America is extra stupid is about what the "no impeachment" movement has right now uponit7771 Apr 2019 #46

The no impeachment movement? If I thought it would amount to anything I'd be totally on board, but Vinca Apr 2019 #49

It would, they can't stone wall documents and that's worth impeaching then not convicting or moving uponit7771 Apr 2019 #50

Absolutely! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #72

Dems could always drag it out ... The GOP would ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #85

"... The GOP would ..." yonder Apr 2019 #106

At this time THIS is mt thoughts as well!! bluestarone Apr 2019 #109

in this case there is an unlimited pile of real shit that will be front and center EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #35

If the image of a POTUS getting a blow job off the Oval Office doesn't do it, I'm afraid Vinca Apr 2019 #43

treason is different from a consensual BJ EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #56

and then Dems can issue their own "Starr" report 5000 pages long of trump shit EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #57

which will be carved in stone for all of American history. a stain on trump name forever. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #59

Nonsense. There is no comparison to the crimes JenniferJuniper Apr 2019 #38

+1 EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #41

we need to make trump look like a whipped dog. we need to emasculate him. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #42

HORRIBLY FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT!! Clinton was popular with republicans Trump will NEVER EVER ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #44

THIS EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #58

No evidence this will happen, only fear based speculation nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #63

Don't even try to equate the GOP scam to impeach Cllinton to what thois rogue and crimninal regime KPN Apr 2019 #66

But Clinton was always popular! Butterflylady Apr 2019 #73

Most people could see that it was partisan bullshit. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #100

Please stop yelling Dyedinthewoolliberal Apr 2019 #32

the media will cover it live. you can count on that. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #33

The process of course but dems don't have to feed them, impeach him and go shut mouth ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #48

i lean toward transparency. the general public is apolitical. Hearing what this monster has done Kurt V. Apr 2019 #62

Totally agree. Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #60

How and who jdu Apr 2019 #67

Please list the 20-plus GOP Senators who will CONVICT him. DinahMoeHum Apr 2019 #68

It will get the traitors on the record CloudWatcher Apr 2019 #78

We don't need conviction or removal just the light & authority brought by impeachment proceedings. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #82

NOT THE POINT! Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #83

+1, under impeachment dems have more power to call for things and if those aren't brought to them uponit7771 Apr 2019 #88

yes Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #92

No, it's entirely the point. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #114

I absolutely agree. world wide wally Apr 2019 #69

At first I was with those that thought we should wait INdemo Apr 2019 #70

Impeach McConnell RicROC Apr 2019 #75

Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #76

I agree. The time has come. When to rule of law is threatened so blatantly we have no moral c-rational Apr 2019 #81

What I have been feeling for a while now. Dems need to stop threatening and DO something. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #89

Agreed Brogrizzly Apr 2019 #94

Yes, 100 % humbled_opinion Apr 2019 #101

The further along I go, the more I'm of the sentiment that, yes, bring it on NOW! eom sprinkleeninow Apr 2019 #103

Start impeachment now? To what end? Captain Stern Apr 2019 #110

We're keeping the powder dry. egduj Apr 2019 #111

I think we either continue the fight or become irrelevant. hadEnuf Apr 2019 #112

I've already started Bonx Apr 2019 #118