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Laelth

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Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:45 PM Apr 2019

Impeach ... NOW! [View all]

Last edited Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:57 PM - Edit history (19)

In his report, Robert Meuller handed us ten, separate counts of obstruction of justice and said, in effect, “If I could say that these were NOT criminal offenses, I would say so,” yet he refused to deny that these were criminal offenses. In other words, in Meuller’s opinion, at least ten of President Trump’s actions WERE criminal offenses, but because the Justice Department can not indict a sitting President, Meuller placed the matter squarely in the hands of the House of Representatives to proceed with Articles of Impeachment. Only Nancy Pelosi can make this call, and I will respect her decision on the subject, regardless, but I think that we should use the power that we have (control of the House) to impeach President Donald Trump. Here’s why:

1) We want to stand for the rule of law.
We have a President who has demonstrated, time and again, that he considers himself above the law. Allowing this philosophy of executive power to stand without challenge would make us complicit in the erosion of our democratic republic’s foundation—government by rule of law, as opposed to government by the whims and “divine inspiration” of the monarch (precisely what Trump perceives himself to be, just as any corporate CEO might imagine). I want my party to be on the right side of history on this subject. We have an opportunity to call out a gross display of “supreme executive power by divine right,” and I think that we have a duty to do so.

2) We need to punt the ball.
Currently, we have three committee chairs investigating these matters (Cummings, Nadler, and Schiff). My sense is that the American people are sick of talking about this. They generally concede that Trump is a scum-bucket, but they are more concerned about whether or not they can pay their bills next month. The more we investigate this matter, the more we play into Trump’s “witch hunt” narrative. So, I say IMPEACH, and do it quickly. Do it quickly, and then drop it, entirely. Make this Mitch McConnell’s problem. Let the Senate deal with it. Democrats will have done their Constitutional duty once the House of Representatives has impeached the President. We can then just abandon our investigations and start focusing on the things that matter to Americans—health care, student loan debt (Thank you, Elizabeth Warren.), climate change, and the increasing wealth gap in our society.

3) Impeachment improves our chances of taking control of the Senate in 2020.
I want all the Republican senators who are up for re-election in 2020 on the record, here. I want a YES or a NO from them on Trump’s guilt. If they say “YES,” they lose their base. We win. If they say “NO,” they lose credibility and lose the center because most Americans are convinced that Trump is, clearly, guilty as sin. Again, we win. This is why it is so important to pass Articles of Impeachment QUICKLY. McConnell can delay, and save his members an embarrassing vote, if Democrats delay the process by insisting upon further investigations. What Mueller has given us is PLENTY to proceed with Articles of Impeachment. If you recall that one of the Articles filed against Nixon was "lying to the American people," it is obvious that we have plenty of grounds to impeach President Trump ... NOW. No more investigation is needed.

4) There's very little down-side.
In the unlikely event that we end up with a President Pence, for a short time, the nation will be safer, and history indicates that Pence will not be elected President in 2020–just ask Gerald Ford and Al Gore. Again, we win.

It is indeed rare, in politics, when doing the right thing is highly likely to result in an excellent outcome with very little risk of a negative outcome, but I think that this is one of those occasions.

Speaker Pelosi, I implore you ...

Impeach ... NOW!

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Impeach ... NOW! [View all] Laelth Apr 2019 OP
While lots of other topics to discuss.....THIS needs to stay at the top of everyone's mind! Ninga Apr 2019 #1
What do you think the hearings DownriverDem Apr 2019 #48
Timed to put Trump's scandals in the news from now until Nov 2020 Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #2
Yes, but no. Laelth Apr 2019 #3
I agree with you, but..... Jim_Pridx Apr 2019 #7
I don't think I understand your point here. Laelth Apr 2019 #19
Yes, that makes perfect sense, but again, Jim_Pridx Apr 2019 #24
I have tremendous faith in Speaker Pelosi. Laelth Apr 2019 #27
Yeah, I certainly get that! Jim_Pridx Apr 2019 #30
That's the least of my worries. Laelth Apr 2019 #31
You know, I'm not trying to argue with you...... Jim_Pridx Apr 2019 #36
I hear you. Laelth Apr 2019 #37
Yup! Jim_Pridx Apr 2019 #40
Allow me to add ... Laelth Apr 2019 #43
Oh yeah, I suspect that there are..... Jim_Pridx Apr 2019 #44
Agreed. Laelth Apr 2019 #58
Yes, and it's the only way we will get all of Mueller's grand jury info. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #4
Halle-fucking lujah watoos Apr 2019 #5
Exactly. orangecrush Apr 2019 #18
I think part of the hesitation is what Russia will do Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #6
So if we do nothing orangecrush Apr 2019 #17
Precisely. +1 Laelth Apr 2019 #35
Agreed playaseeker Apr 2019 #8
Hear! Hear! Laelth Apr 2019 #21
Welcome to DU, playaseeker! calimary Apr 2019 #22
+1 Laelth Apr 2019 #34
Please, correct me if I am wrong, but can we stop saying that a sitting president cannot be indicted Perseus Apr 2019 #9
It's not a meme, but it is a significant opinion. Laelth Apr 2019 #10
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍 spanone Apr 2019 #11
Thank you, my friend. Laelth Apr 2019 #14
I'm with you.👍🏼 spanone Apr 2019 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author spanone Apr 2019 #12
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IMPEACH NOW! orangecrush Apr 2019 #15
Cheers! Laelth Apr 2019 #26
+1 Rudy G: "It's OK for Trump to get help from Russia" uponit7771 Apr 2019 #20
I wrote postcards to her at our Indivisible Postcard Party yesterday. calimary Apr 2019 #23
Excellent. Laelth Apr 2019 #25
I hope you don't mind Calimary Lotus54 Apr 2019 #52
+1 Laelth Apr 2019 #60
By all means! Happy to help! calimary Apr 2019 #62
Impeach! Lunabell Apr 2019 #28
Hear! Hear! Laelth Apr 2019 #33
Impeach the fucker! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #29
Rep. Tlaib nailed it, didn't she? Laelth Apr 2019 #32
I've read here on DU the Dems may not have the House votes to impeach. That would make the process jalan48 Apr 2019 #38
Prior to the release of the Meuller report, I assume. Laelth Apr 2019 #41
K & R mountain grammy Apr 2019 #39
Well said! Laelth Apr 2019 #42
Even Republicans have to admit that an impeachment is justifiable... world wide wally Apr 2019 #45
What they admit in private and vote in public Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #47
Yea! Let's Par-Tay! Whoop Whoop. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #46
Yeah!!... stillcool Apr 2019 #51
That's what impeachment now gets us. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #53
I'm all for impeachment.. stillcool Apr 2019 #54
It's all about headlines Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #61
Thank you!!! Thank you!! Lotus54 Apr 2019 #49
You are quite welcome. Laelth Apr 2019 #57
I was originally against it. cwydro Apr 2019 #50
Same here. Laelth Apr 2019 #56
I agree. ElementaryPenguin Apr 2019 #55
+1 n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #63
Yes. Impeachment opens up powers of investigation, and that's where it starts, not where Nitram Apr 2019 #59
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