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Ms. Toad

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89. Link to a source, please.

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 04:05 PM

Apr 2019

I'm pretty sure that these were voter registration machiens, not voting machines. Every story that anyoe on DU has claimed demonstrated that voting machines were hacked ultimately turns out to be about voter registration machines. I assume this is the same.

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So the Russians DID have ability to hack vote tallies (NYT) [View all] cilla4progress Apr 2019 OP

Link, please? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #1

Will try... cilla4progress Apr 2019 #2

Iv'e got the solution bluegrassvol Apr 2019 #112

Here you go. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #3

Thanks! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #4

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #74

According to this article, they did not change any vote totals. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #5

And that's all it would take to change votes to non-votes. triron Apr 2019 #13

That's my thinking... cilla4progress Apr 2019 #20

Guess I do too. Except the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests triron Apr 2019 #26

Not to mention 2018 FL elections: Scott (Sen) stole it? sharedvalues Apr 2019 #61

We don't know NewsCenter28 Apr 2019 #115

Left out McTurtle SMoss Apr 2019 #147

The GOP stole the seat for Scott with voter suppression. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #175

2016 GA was warned by DHS. Kemp accused Democrats delisen Apr 2019 #183

Kemp stole the Governorship. Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor sharedvalues Apr 2019 #190

How do you know votes weren't changed? watoos Apr 2019 #17

I bet not many, if any. triron Apr 2019 #27

Jill Stein Clarity2 Apr 2019 #52

Do you have a link to where this was reported? diva77 Apr 2019 #125

See above. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #160

I was asking post#52 to give a link to where Jill Stein had been quoted. diva77 Apr 2019 #171

Either you are trying to be witty or just annoying. I'm not sure. triron Apr 2019 #172

If someone is going to make a statement such as the one in #52, diva77 Apr 2019 #173

I didn't take that statement as more than a jibe at Stein. triron Apr 2019 #174

Of course it Clarity2 May 2019 #195

another statement with no sourced facts to back it up diva77 May 2019 #196

Huh? Clarity2 May 2019 #197

the recount faced intense obstruction by the well funded rethugs - including legal costs for diva77 May 2019 #199

She was sitting with putin Clarity2 May 2019 #201

Link Clarity2 May 2019 #198

Yes Stein who went to Moscow and sat with Putin delisen Apr 2019 #184

I don't think the programming was checked in any voting machine. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #59

+1000 This. Plus, sometimes it is virtually impossible to detect malicious code -- "easter eggs" diva77 Apr 2019 #68

Maybe the four voting machine manufacturers should self-police, like the AMA, Pharma, ABA, etc. erronis Apr 2019 #70

I don't know that. I was just noting what the article said. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #97

Come on, they can do much more with access than change "totals" uponit7771 Apr 2019 #93

Of course. I was just noting what the article said, not offering an opinion. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #96

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #99

That We Know Of!!! Maine-i-acs Apr 2019 #126

I'm just pointing out what the article said; I didn't *write* it, FFS! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #130

Understood! Not pointing fingers Maine-i-acs Apr 2019 #158

Bottom line: the Russians wanted Trump to win and they tried (and were triron Apr 2019 #131

I read somewhere a figure exponentially higher than that... ElementaryPenguin Apr 2019 #135

The odds of getting 23 head (or tails) out of 25 tosses triron Apr 2019 #139

Ron Baiman, Ph. D., says it was 26 out of 28 states. Here is his latest update of his paper. triron Apr 2019 #163

We all knew it. Chin music Apr 2019 #6

You bet loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #24

"It's the software/updates stupid." Chin music Apr 2019 #31

*Slipped into the long-anticipated special counsel report elleng Apr 2019 #7

Thread cilla4progress Apr 2019 #8

That's not what the article says Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #9

Is that what this means? cilla4progress Apr 2019 #11

Yes. It's the network they store their voter rolls on. Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #12

*IF* (not saying they could, saying IF) they could selectively un-register people? mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #16

Yes, it turns a 'vote' into a non-vote. triron Apr 2019 #28

no. they could turn registered voters into unregistered voters. mopinko Apr 2019 #69

Who counts the provisional ballots that are actually cast? triron Apr 2019 #84

They know they are not registered Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #87

You said it yourself "unregistration does not just happen without a trail - triron Apr 2019 #91

Most jurisdictions have a way to verify the provisional ballot has been cleared Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #107

What % of people that vote provisionally follow up?? triron Apr 2019 #116

Every state has its own procedures for clearing provisional ballots. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #129

Irrelevant Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #47

That statement seems pretty bold to me. Please explain. triron Apr 2019 #50

Read.the.article. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #88

It would bring down the republic NewsCenter28 Apr 2019 #113

Not mad - it is just irresponsible to perpetuate false news. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #123

Yeah. It's not like removing people from the voter roles has any effect or anything kcr Apr 2019 #29

+1 said the same thing just above :) mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #30

Put words in your own mouth Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #46

I was actually thinking the same thing... Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #53

They are very much the same. Captain Stern Apr 2019 #67

Same effect uponit7771 Apr 2019 #94

and messing with the rolls does not affect talies at all, right? robbedvoter Apr 2019 #150

Perfect plan..reminiscent of Ohio 2004 SoCalDem Apr 2019 #10

Plus this frim Ohio 2004, which the MSM ignored. CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #21

Too bad Kerry recalled his lawyers ff the tarmac robbedvoter Apr 2019 #149

Bet this is just the tip of the iceberg too. triron Apr 2019 #14

My thought as well bluestarone Apr 2019 #15

Me three. Chin music Apr 2019 #18

We will never learn that votes were changed, watoos Apr 2019 #22

Fully agree! bluestarone Apr 2019 #25

They could indirectly change the vote outcome. LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #19

WI / MI / PA margins 2016 cilla4progress Apr 2019 #23

The Florida vote difference was about 1% I believe. triron Apr 2019 #33

I know. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #37

Whoa, no wonder the GOP in Florida is fighting the convict voting law uponit7771 Apr 2019 #95

What do you mean? triron Apr 2019 #100

KGOP is putting in laws to stop ex cons from voting after the state voted uponit7771 Apr 2019 #103

Of course. That is why Manafort gave WI, PA & MI polling data to Kalimnik, a Russian spy. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #54

Zactly. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #76

Yep. How comes democrats don't talk about this? triron Apr 2019 #86

I should send Rachel cilla4progress Apr 2019 #90

It's the undervote. That would be the way to do it. mjvpi Apr 2019 #56

That number is not correct MichMan Apr 2019 #71

So? Same explanation holds regardless. triron Apr 2019 #122

Using incorrect data to support a hypothesis makes the conclusion less credible MichMan Apr 2019 #136

87,810 undervotes statewide. mjvpi Apr 2019 #138

Here are the exact numbers for both 2016 and 2012 MichMan Apr 2019 #152

Thank you for the numbers! mjvpi Apr 2019 #153

I was part of the recount in Wisconsin forthemiddle Apr 2019 #119

How would a recount detect alterations of voter registrations? triron Apr 2019 #121

It wouldn't. forthemiddle Apr 2019 #127

None of your argument is bulletproof. triron Apr 2019 #133

I am confused about your argument. forthemiddle Apr 2019 #145

If your county uses paper ballots that are hand counted, good for them. triron Apr 2019 #168

Did you see the mess at the Waukesha county recount, in '11? Mc Mike Apr 2019 #144

Milwaukee County was not hand recounted. cureautismnow Apr 2019 #154

Those statistics aren't part of my argument forthemiddle Apr 2019 #156

How did the new Voter ID Law impact your county? cureautismnow Apr 2019 #164

As a resident of Michigan jimlup Apr 2019 #157

HO. LEE. SHITE!! lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #32

Like Frank Figliuzi told Rachel Maddow last night, we may never know. triron Apr 2019 #34

We know MFM008 Apr 2019 #66

Yes. Trump was hacked into the White House underthematrix Apr 2019 #35

Hopefully if so, cilla4progress Apr 2019 #42

hackers are still there, moe entrenched than ever. People did rise up last time too robbedvoter Apr 2019 #151

Meanwhile the head of DHS cries and explains why she just hasnt been correcting it. We dont need sob Chin music Apr 2019 #36

She resigned a few weeks ago EleanorR Apr 2019 #38

No, Mulvaney instructed her cilla4progress Apr 2019 #39

Right behind you! Sickening. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2019 #45

Russia changed votes. fwvinson Apr 2019 #40

Perhaps also N. Carolina and Georgia. Maybe even Arizona triron Apr 2019 #43

I believe this, too. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #44

Russia can not change paper ballots! at140 Apr 2019 #57

Iraq had WMD so we went to war. ChiTownDenny Apr 2019 #60

Link to a source, please. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #89

None of the machines were examined, so there are no links...there wasn't Baltimike Apr 2019 #155

I was asking for a link to the assertion Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #177

and I am asserting that none of the machines were tested Baltimike Apr 2019 #181

Just for grins see my post 180. triron Apr 2019 #182

It is absolutely ridiculous that we have come this far, and people still try Baltimike Apr 2019 #185

A very specific assertion was made. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #187

and a very specific response was supplied Baltimike Apr 2019 #188

Not to the question I asked, it wasn't. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #189

Not being contentious but who is 'they'? I would really like to see more discussion. Never have triron Apr 2019 #178

To add to this is this. The way they are acting today scares me because bluestarone Apr 2019 #41

I am guessing (just a guess) that if the winner is far ahead... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #49

Start making picket signs. Chin music Apr 2019 #79

Rudy G: "It's OK for Trump to get help from Russia on elections" uponit7771 Apr 2019 #101

"Afterall, NOBODIES DIED. " (Tell that to Heather Heyers Family R.I.P.) Chin music Apr 2019 #109

YEA NOW they are changing their tunes a bit!!! bluestarone Apr 2019 #111

What are they saying now? It looks like this issue came up 3 times last week and all 3 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #165

Of course they did. Our intel notified a bunch of states... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #48

Agreed. The 77k votes needed in those 3 states was just enough to swing the EC to trump. brush Apr 2019 #58

K&R Blue Owl Apr 2019 #51

Computer hackers are everyday occurrence in USA....does not need Russia or China or India at140 Apr 2019 #55

+1,000,000 This! And yet SOS's continue to certify computerized "voting" equipment and diva77 Apr 2019 #128

You are 1000% right at140 Apr 2019 #132

interesting comparison -- great example to give when trying to explain the forced complexity for diva77 Apr 2019 #170

K&R UTUSN Apr 2019 #62

This isn't news. It's been known for a long time. Joe941 Apr 2019 #63

Anti-Trumpism Smackdown2019 Apr 2019 #64

That is NOT what the article says. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #65

Yes! So frustrating. stopdiggin Apr 2019 #75

Putting our voting machines on the internet is the height of recklessness Blues Heron Apr 2019 #106

and they aren't stopdiggin Apr 2019 #142

Poorly worded stopdiggin Apr 2019 #143

Computer scientists have a different take. triron Apr 2019 #191

acknowledged stopdiggin May 2019 #205

Provisional ballots are not counted instantly everywhere uponit7771 Apr 2019 #102

They are not counted instantly anywhere. That's the point. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #108

"once it is" 93% never ON THE DAY OF COUNT !! ... come on, we know this already uponit7771 Apr 2019 #166

No idea what you're trying to say. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #176

Expect the worst here patphil Apr 2019 #72

THIS!!! cilla4progress Apr 2019 #77

treason is only in times of war. Assistance given to Russians would probably be conspiracy. onetexan Apr 2019 #120

We need paper receipts now! A hacked system is the only way we lose in 2020. ecstatic Apr 2019 #73

Even with paper ballots the hacking would either dflprincess Apr 2019 #80

I think a combo could greatly benefit us. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #85

Diebold does it when you pull 5.00 out of the bank. How hard can it be? Chin music Apr 2019 #118

Moreover... superpatriotman Apr 2019 #78

Just a matter of time duforsure Apr 2019 #81

If the ability exists, they have it. Iggo Apr 2019 #82

This is an article everyone should read first before making assumptions. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #83

So, we should probably have Gov Andrew Gillum, and a different Senator as well. Recount! pdsimdars Apr 2019 #92

Well, the NYT story is about 2016, but, cilla4progress Apr 2019 #104

Details, details! pdsimdars Apr 2019 #110

+1 Chin music Apr 2019 #137

For all you naysayers and (everyone actually) you may find this illuminating: triron Apr 2019 #98

Only browsed it so far - cilla4progress Apr 2019 #105

I am ENRAGED after reading this OP NewsCenter28 Apr 2019 #114

Joseph Stalin: triron Apr 2019 #117

Tomato - toMahtoe FirstLight Apr 2019 #124

Vlad wasn't doing all that snooping around for nothing Botany Apr 2019 #134

Fuel cilla4progress Apr 2019 #140

K&R! Control-Z Apr 2019 #141

Stalin quote SMoss Apr 2019 #146

But we are still blaming Hllary/Wisconsin, right? Because no way Russians robbedvoter Apr 2019 #148

if you are interested in election security issues, there's a superb Twitter feed on the subject. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #159

Will do. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #161

Jennifer Cohn, election security expert cited by poster, cilla4progress Apr 2019 #162

Those Liberty Cty results look very fishy. triron Apr 2019 #167

Yep cilla4progress Apr 2019 #169

Guess I will have to kick this. triron Apr 2019 #179

Several ways to hack an election are described below. So you think they didn't happen?? triron Apr 2019 #180

knr triron Apr 2019 #186

From 2017: Increasingly likely Russians hacked vote totals. triron Apr 2019 #192

kick for visibility triron Apr 2019 #193

kick again triron Apr 2019 #194

I thought Hillary suggested as much on Rachel last night triron May 2019 #200

That cilla4progress May 2019 #203

What if they did THIS? have not seen it mentioned as a possibility Captain Zero May 2019 #202

"My goodness! I do wonder if it might be best if we covered this up quickly struggle4progress May 2019 #204