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138. 87,810 undervotes statewide.

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:26 PM

Apr 2019

Firing the recount 70.000 vote in Detroit registered downticket results but did not register a vote for the presidential contest. I checked my numbers. The total under votes in Michigan were almost double from 2012.

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So the Russians DID have ability to hack vote tallies (NYT) [View all] cilla4progress Apr 2019 OP

Link, please? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #1

Will try... cilla4progress Apr 2019 #2

Iv'e got the solution bluegrassvol Apr 2019 #112

Here you go. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #3

Thanks! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #4

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #74

According to this article, they did not change any vote totals. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #5

And that's all it would take to change votes to non-votes. triron Apr 2019 #13

That's my thinking... cilla4progress Apr 2019 #20

Guess I do too. Except the circumstantial evidence strongly suggests triron Apr 2019 #26

Not to mention 2018 FL elections: Scott (Sen) stole it? sharedvalues Apr 2019 #61

We don't know NewsCenter28 Apr 2019 #115

Left out McTurtle SMoss Apr 2019 #147

The GOP stole the seat for Scott with voter suppression. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #175

2016 GA was warned by DHS. Kemp accused Democrats delisen Apr 2019 #183

Kemp stole the Governorship. Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor sharedvalues Apr 2019 #190

How do you know votes weren't changed? watoos Apr 2019 #17

I bet not many, if any. triron Apr 2019 #27

Jill Stein Clarity2 Apr 2019 #52

Do you have a link to where this was reported? diva77 Apr 2019 #125

See above. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #160

I was asking post#52 to give a link to where Jill Stein had been quoted. diva77 Apr 2019 #171

Either you are trying to be witty or just annoying. I'm not sure. triron Apr 2019 #172

If someone is going to make a statement such as the one in #52, diva77 Apr 2019 #173

I didn't take that statement as more than a jibe at Stein. triron Apr 2019 #174

Of course it Clarity2 May 2019 #195

another statement with no sourced facts to back it up diva77 May 2019 #196

Huh? Clarity2 May 2019 #197

the recount faced intense obstruction by the well funded rethugs - including legal costs for diva77 May 2019 #199

She was sitting with putin Clarity2 May 2019 #201

Link Clarity2 May 2019 #198

Yes Stein who went to Moscow and sat with Putin delisen Apr 2019 #184

I don't think the programming was checked in any voting machine. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #59

+1000 This. Plus, sometimes it is virtually impossible to detect malicious code -- "easter eggs" diva77 Apr 2019 #68

Maybe the four voting machine manufacturers should self-police, like the AMA, Pharma, ABA, etc. erronis Apr 2019 #70

I don't know that. I was just noting what the article said. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #97

Come on, they can do much more with access than change "totals" uponit7771 Apr 2019 #93

Of course. I was just noting what the article said, not offering an opinion. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #96

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #99

That We Know Of!!! Maine-i-acs Apr 2019 #126

I'm just pointing out what the article said; I didn't *write* it, FFS! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #130

Understood! Not pointing fingers Maine-i-acs Apr 2019 #158

Bottom line: the Russians wanted Trump to win and they tried (and were triron Apr 2019 #131

I read somewhere a figure exponentially higher than that... ElementaryPenguin Apr 2019 #135

The odds of getting 23 head (or tails) out of 25 tosses triron Apr 2019 #139

Ron Baiman, Ph. D., says it was 26 out of 28 states. Here is his latest update of his paper. triron Apr 2019 #163

We all knew it. Chin music Apr 2019 #6

You bet loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #24

"It's the software/updates stupid." Chin music Apr 2019 #31

*Slipped into the long-anticipated special counsel report elleng Apr 2019 #7

Thread cilla4progress Apr 2019 #8

That's not what the article says Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #9

Is that what this means? cilla4progress Apr 2019 #11

Yes. It's the network they store their voter rolls on. Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #12

*IF* (not saying they could, saying IF) they could selectively un-register people? mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #16

Yes, it turns a 'vote' into a non-vote. triron Apr 2019 #28

no. they could turn registered voters into unregistered voters. mopinko Apr 2019 #69

Who counts the provisional ballots that are actually cast? triron Apr 2019 #84

They know they are not registered Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #87

You said it yourself "unregistration does not just happen without a trail - triron Apr 2019 #91

Most jurisdictions have a way to verify the provisional ballot has been cleared Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #107

What % of people that vote provisionally follow up?? triron Apr 2019 #116

Every state has its own procedures for clearing provisional ballots. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #129

Irrelevant Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #47

That statement seems pretty bold to me. Please explain. triron Apr 2019 #50

Read.the.article. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #88

It would bring down the republic NewsCenter28 Apr 2019 #113

Not mad - it is just irresponsible to perpetuate false news. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #123

Yeah. It's not like removing people from the voter roles has any effect or anything kcr Apr 2019 #29

+1 said the same thing just above :) mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #30

Put words in your own mouth Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #46

I was actually thinking the same thing... Tiggeroshii Apr 2019 #53

They are very much the same. Captain Stern Apr 2019 #67

Same effect uponit7771 Apr 2019 #94

and messing with the rolls does not affect talies at all, right? robbedvoter Apr 2019 #150

Perfect plan..reminiscent of Ohio 2004 SoCalDem Apr 2019 #10

Plus this frim Ohio 2004, which the MSM ignored. CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #21

Too bad Kerry recalled his lawyers ff the tarmac robbedvoter Apr 2019 #149

Bet this is just the tip of the iceberg too. triron Apr 2019 #14

My thought as well bluestarone Apr 2019 #15

Me three. Chin music Apr 2019 #18

We will never learn that votes were changed, watoos Apr 2019 #22

Fully agree! bluestarone Apr 2019 #25

They could indirectly change the vote outcome. LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #19

WI / MI / PA margins 2016 cilla4progress Apr 2019 #23

The Florida vote difference was about 1% I believe. triron Apr 2019 #33

I know. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #37

Whoa, no wonder the GOP in Florida is fighting the convict voting law uponit7771 Apr 2019 #95

What do you mean? triron Apr 2019 #100

KGOP is putting in laws to stop ex cons from voting after the state voted uponit7771 Apr 2019 #103

Of course. That is why Manafort gave WI, PA & MI polling data to Kalimnik, a Russian spy. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #54

Zactly. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #76

Yep. How comes democrats don't talk about this? triron Apr 2019 #86

I should send Rachel cilla4progress Apr 2019 #90

It's the undervote. That would be the way to do it. mjvpi Apr 2019 #56

That number is not correct MichMan Apr 2019 #71

So? Same explanation holds regardless. triron Apr 2019 #122

Using incorrect data to support a hypothesis makes the conclusion less credible MichMan Apr 2019 #136

87,810 undervotes statewide. mjvpi Apr 2019 #138

Here are the exact numbers for both 2016 and 2012 MichMan Apr 2019 #152

Thank you for the numbers! mjvpi Apr 2019 #153

I was part of the recount in Wisconsin forthemiddle Apr 2019 #119

How would a recount detect alterations of voter registrations? triron Apr 2019 #121

It wouldn't. forthemiddle Apr 2019 #127

None of your argument is bulletproof. triron Apr 2019 #133

I am confused about your argument. forthemiddle Apr 2019 #145

If your county uses paper ballots that are hand counted, good for them. triron Apr 2019 #168

Did you see the mess at the Waukesha county recount, in '11? Mc Mike Apr 2019 #144

Milwaukee County was not hand recounted. cureautismnow Apr 2019 #154

Those statistics aren't part of my argument forthemiddle Apr 2019 #156

How did the new Voter ID Law impact your county? cureautismnow Apr 2019 #164

As a resident of Michigan jimlup Apr 2019 #157

HO. LEE. SHITE!! lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #32

Like Frank Figliuzi told Rachel Maddow last night, we may never know. triron Apr 2019 #34

We know MFM008 Apr 2019 #66

Yes. Trump was hacked into the White House underthematrix Apr 2019 #35

Hopefully if so, cilla4progress Apr 2019 #42

hackers are still there, moe entrenched than ever. People did rise up last time too robbedvoter Apr 2019 #151

Meanwhile the head of DHS cries and explains why she just hasnt been correcting it. We dont need sob Chin music Apr 2019 #36

She resigned a few weeks ago EleanorR Apr 2019 #38

No, Mulvaney instructed her cilla4progress Apr 2019 #39

Right behind you! Sickening. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2019 #45

Russia changed votes. fwvinson Apr 2019 #40

Perhaps also N. Carolina and Georgia. Maybe even Arizona triron Apr 2019 #43

I believe this, too. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #44

Russia can not change paper ballots! at140 Apr 2019 #57

Iraq had WMD so we went to war. ChiTownDenny Apr 2019 #60

Link to a source, please. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #89

None of the machines were examined, so there are no links...there wasn't Baltimike Apr 2019 #155

I was asking for a link to the assertion Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #177

and I am asserting that none of the machines were tested Baltimike Apr 2019 #181

Just for grins see my post 180. triron Apr 2019 #182

It is absolutely ridiculous that we have come this far, and people still try Baltimike Apr 2019 #185

A very specific assertion was made. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #187

and a very specific response was supplied Baltimike Apr 2019 #188

Not to the question I asked, it wasn't. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #189

Not being contentious but who is 'they'? I would really like to see more discussion. Never have triron Apr 2019 #178

To add to this is this. The way they are acting today scares me because bluestarone Apr 2019 #41

I am guessing (just a guess) that if the winner is far ahead... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #49

Start making picket signs. Chin music Apr 2019 #79

Rudy G: "It's OK for Trump to get help from Russia on elections" uponit7771 Apr 2019 #101

"Afterall, NOBODIES DIED. " (Tell that to Heather Heyers Family R.I.P.) Chin music Apr 2019 #109

YEA NOW they are changing their tunes a bit!!! bluestarone Apr 2019 #111

What are they saying now? It looks like this issue came up 3 times last week and all 3 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #165

Of course they did. Our intel notified a bunch of states... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #48

Agreed. The 77k votes needed in those 3 states was just enough to swing the EC to trump. brush Apr 2019 #58

K&R Blue Owl Apr 2019 #51

Computer hackers are everyday occurrence in USA....does not need Russia or China or India at140 Apr 2019 #55

+1,000,000 This! And yet SOS's continue to certify computerized "voting" equipment and diva77 Apr 2019 #128

You are 1000% right at140 Apr 2019 #132

interesting comparison -- great example to give when trying to explain the forced complexity for diva77 Apr 2019 #170

K&R UTUSN Apr 2019 #62

This isn't news. It's been known for a long time. Joe941 Apr 2019 #63

Anti-Trumpism Smackdown2019 Apr 2019 #64

That is NOT what the article says. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #65

Yes! So frustrating. stopdiggin Apr 2019 #75

Putting our voting machines on the internet is the height of recklessness Blues Heron Apr 2019 #106

and they aren't stopdiggin Apr 2019 #142

Poorly worded stopdiggin Apr 2019 #143

Computer scientists have a different take. triron Apr 2019 #191

acknowledged stopdiggin May 2019 #205

Provisional ballots are not counted instantly everywhere uponit7771 Apr 2019 #102

They are not counted instantly anywhere. That's the point. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #108

"once it is" 93% never ON THE DAY OF COUNT !! ... come on, we know this already uponit7771 Apr 2019 #166

No idea what you're trying to say. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #176

Expect the worst here patphil Apr 2019 #72

THIS!!! cilla4progress Apr 2019 #77

treason is only in times of war. Assistance given to Russians would probably be conspiracy. onetexan Apr 2019 #120

We need paper receipts now! A hacked system is the only way we lose in 2020. ecstatic Apr 2019 #73

Even with paper ballots the hacking would either dflprincess Apr 2019 #80

I think a combo could greatly benefit us. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #85

Diebold does it when you pull 5.00 out of the bank. How hard can it be? Chin music Apr 2019 #118

Moreover... superpatriotman Apr 2019 #78

Just a matter of time duforsure Apr 2019 #81

If the ability exists, they have it. Iggo Apr 2019 #82

This is an article everyone should read first before making assumptions. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #83

So, we should probably have Gov Andrew Gillum, and a different Senator as well. Recount! pdsimdars Apr 2019 #92

Well, the NYT story is about 2016, but, cilla4progress Apr 2019 #104

Details, details! pdsimdars Apr 2019 #110

+1 Chin music Apr 2019 #137

For all you naysayers and (everyone actually) you may find this illuminating: triron Apr 2019 #98

Only browsed it so far - cilla4progress Apr 2019 #105

I am ENRAGED after reading this OP NewsCenter28 Apr 2019 #114

Joseph Stalin: triron Apr 2019 #117

Tomato - toMahtoe FirstLight Apr 2019 #124

Vlad wasn't doing all that snooping around for nothing Botany Apr 2019 #134

Fuel cilla4progress Apr 2019 #140

K&R! Control-Z Apr 2019 #141

Stalin quote SMoss Apr 2019 #146

But we are still blaming Hllary/Wisconsin, right? Because no way Russians robbedvoter Apr 2019 #148

if you are interested in election security issues, there's a superb Twitter feed on the subject. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #159

Will do. cilla4progress Apr 2019 #161

Jennifer Cohn, election security expert cited by poster, cilla4progress Apr 2019 #162

Those Liberty Cty results look very fishy. triron Apr 2019 #167

Yep cilla4progress Apr 2019 #169

Guess I will have to kick this. triron Apr 2019 #179

Several ways to hack an election are described below. So you think they didn't happen?? triron Apr 2019 #180

knr triron Apr 2019 #186

From 2017: Increasingly likely Russians hacked vote totals. triron Apr 2019 #192

kick for visibility triron Apr 2019 #193

kick again triron Apr 2019 #194

I thought Hillary suggested as much on Rachel last night triron May 2019 #200

That cilla4progress May 2019 #203

What if they did THIS? have not seen it mentioned as a possibility Captain Zero May 2019 #202

"My goodness! I do wonder if it might be best if we covered this up quickly struggle4progress May 2019 #204