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former9thward

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8. The family of the boy disagrees with you.

Mon May 6, 2019, 12:45 PM

May 2019

The family of a 16-year-old Boy Scout who collapsed and died while on a troop hiking trip in the southern Arizona desert says he loved scouting and that he and fellow scouts and their leaders were experienced hikers "fully prepared" for their planned activities.

https://tucson.com/news/local/family-of-boy-scout-who-died-while-hiking-picacho-peak/article_4204b8f6-6e92-11e9-84d2-3f29328af6df.html

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16-year-old Boy Scout collapses, dies hiking in Arizona desert [View all] ansible May 2019 OP

Sad story ... Godspeed, Joshua ... mr_lebowski May 2019 #1

It's very easy to get dehydrated in the desert even at this time ansible May 2019 #2

It would seem that these were locals who should know this... Wounded Bear May 2019 #14

I was thinking the same thing TexasBushwhacker May 2019 #25

6 years ago I had dehydration episode at140 May 2019 #53

"Started off with plenty of water but ran out" mainer May 2019 #3

This is not to start an argument, but a request for information. 3Hotdogs May 2019 #4

General ROT is 1 gallon/person/day in the desert. maxsolomon May 2019 #6

It no doubt varies by person. NutmegYankee May 2019 #9

wow. that's a gallon. maxsolomon May 2019 #18

I'm the opposite Polybius May 2019 #46

on a hike like that onethatcares May 2019 #11

It probably varies according to a person's size, too. A larger person pnwmom May 2019 #43

That is why I have only done one night backpack trips in the desert. MLAA May 2019 #65

Regular hikers - recommended - drink 2 cups an hour womanofthehills May 2019 #36

Yeah, really. Clearly someone is ignoring the definition of "plenty" here. PoliticAverse May 2019 #5

The family of the boy disagrees with you. former9thward May 2019 #8

That's a natural reaction on their part. They allowed their son to go on that hike, pnwmom May 2019 #12

No it is the opposite of the "natural reaction" of their part. former9thward May 2019 #21

Of course it is. If they blamed the scout leaders for not being fully prepared pnwmom May 2019 #22

So happy you know what happened there. former9thward May 2019 #24

I know they "ran out of water on the second half of their hike." pnwmom May 2019 #26

I see you have edited your post. former9thward May 2019 #28

Yes, I quickly fixed that. But they ran out of water at the TOP of the mountain, pnwmom May 2019 #31

No. former9thward May 2019 #32

They ran out of water halfway through the hike. By definition, they didn't bring enough. pnwmom May 2019 #33

So happy you know what to do. former9thward May 2019 #34

Agree - I live in the high desert of NM womanofthehills May 2019 #37

You are doing the right thing. People we know in desert areas pnwmom May 2019 #42

Why are you arguing? It clearly says they ran out of water. Doodley May 2019 #51

No one here knows all the circumstances. former9thward May 2019 #52

Logic and reason. They ran out of water halfway through a mountain hike in hot, dry weather. pnwmom May 2019 #58

Since you know better, how much water should they bring? former9thward May 2019 #59

They took four and a half hours to get to the top, and he ran out of water there. pnwmom May 2019 #68

I knew you would not answer me. former9thward May 2019 #69

8.4 pounds of water each. Twice as much water as the boy brought would have been enough pnwmom May 2019 #70

I agree with you. Blue_true May 2019 #38

I agree with you d_r May 2019 #55

I still can't get over the fact that some people treat deserts/mountains/swamps SoCalDem May 2019 #7

Danger is part of a fun adventure. Codeine May 2019 #16

until someone dies SoCalDem May 2019 #19

Fortunately, very few people die while hiking. nt. Mariana May 2019 #27

It doesn't seem like anybody in this instance was treating the desert like an amusement park. Captain Stern May 2019 #20

Walking out the front door is dangerous Rambling Man May 2019 #29

90 degree day is on the cool side for Phoenix - regularly gets over 110. nt EX500rider May 2019 #10

Even so, RH tends to run under 50%... Wounded Bear May 2019 #15

I did a 5-day desert hike when the temp was around 100 mokawanis May 2019 #13

did you carry it all or did you have a water source? maxsolomon May 2019 #17

There were 4 water sources in the canyons we were hiking (Grand Gulch in Utah) mokawanis May 2019 #23

oh, cool. that one's on my list after we floated the San Juan 3 years back. maxsolomon May 2019 #35

Floating the San Juan mokawanis May 2019 #50

They ran out of water halfway through. By definition, they didn't bring "plenty of water." pnwmom May 2019 #30

I saw your extended exchange with another poster. Blue_true May 2019 #39

Phew! I am so glad you were hiking with someone who knew what to do! pnwmom May 2019 #40

The other person's experience was not perfect. Blue_true May 2019 #48

Wow. What a story. pnwmom May 2019 #49

I must agree with you The Genealogist May 2019 #54

This happened before unfortunately dustyscamp May 2019 #41

There is a reason I hiked it in December. nt NutmegYankee May 2019 #71

Something is odd about this story Mosby May 2019 #44

It does seem there would have to be something else involved. Mariana May 2019 #45

So? That's a bit like saying cigarettes aren't bad because not everyone dies of cancer. pnwmom May 2019 #57

I agree, they should have brought more water. Mariana May 2019 #60

EVEN IF he also had another medical issue, the lack of water, on a hot, dry, hike pnwmom May 2019 #62

"The cause of White's death has not yet been released." Mariana May 2019 #64

The scoutmaster on site at the time said they "desperately need water." pnwmom May 2019 #67

Thanks for the link. Among other things, it says: pnwmom May 2019 #63

That makes much more sense maxsolomon May 2019 #47

But one of the things you need to do to avoid heat stroke is drink enough water. pnwmom May 2019 #56

It does sound like a combination of heat stroke and some level if dehydration. defacto7 May 2019 #61

Sounds like they weren't prepared. I thought that was their thing NightWatcher May 2019 #66