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18. No, but he is a vocal and well known speaker for Catholics,

Tue Aug 28, 2012, 02:33 PM

Aug 2012

who admire the man even if they don't agree with him. DU's catholics are not the only Catholics in the U.S., more of whom, according to polls, will vote against Obama than for.

As I said, it was an ugly political decision

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Would you sit quietly as a leader of the KKK gave the benediction at the Democratic Convention? [View all] Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 OP

They should have a band play the Penn State fight song KamaAina Aug 2012 #1

And then have somebody sing "Sweet Caroline" Ken Burch Aug 2012 #158

This really bothers me. nt FLyellowdog Aug 2012 #2

This is a political decision... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #3

So you are claiming that this pleases Catholics? They are glad to be defined as bigots? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #10

No, but he is a vocal and well known speaker for Catholics, Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #18

So again, you claim that Democratic Catholics are not impressed with Biden being Catholic and Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #21

Do not write things between the lines of my posts. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #36

I don't think that was the intent.... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #20

So your answer to the OP's question is yes, you would just stand aside and watch...but Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #23

My answer to the OP's question... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #28

The KKK wasn't invited to speak Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #56

Ahem.... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #69

Don't throw that bullshit LIST at me. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #73

You don't really have many friends, do you Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #81

There you go again. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #90

Jesus H. Christ Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #161

ah, i see you've met Pab. dionysus Aug 2012 #165

Just what would you like him to do? Sekhmets Daughter Aug 2012 #206

He can start by Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #208

LGBT families are not treated as families and to say so is just cheap rhetoric Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #177

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No...you stand and laugh. Because that asshole couldn't stop gay marriage in his msanthrope Aug 2012 #29

NO! FatIrishBastard Aug 2012 #45

That's not flawed logic, if it was you'd challenge it rather than foisting an empty insult Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #178

You are so clever, FatIrishBastard Aug 2012 #210

You are correct. /nt still_one Aug 2012 #11

"......politics in America The Wizard Aug 2012 #51

If I wrote your statement, I would change "Kind of like" to "Exactly like" Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #53

There are some nasty bigoted posts in this thread Marrah_G Aug 2012 #172

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+ 1 (nt) rbnyc Aug 2012 #14

That's like saying of a Muslim leader, "doesn't he have a building to bomb"? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #48

But the thread isn't about a Muslim, now is it? Raster Aug 2012 #52

+1 Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #86

+2 PSUDem Aug 2012 #180

Another post to add to the mix.... Raster Aug 2012 #95

Oh for fuck's sake. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #184

The Third Way Obama crowd is simply not content unless they deliver an insult to gay people. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #5

If Republicans had a preacher against interracial marriage in a place of honor . . . Prism Aug 2012 #6

Agreed. That's just wrong. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #7

I will tell you why it doesn't matter, because the actions still_one Aug 2012 #8

Are you saying this is merely pandering to cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #13

Unfortunately yes. I don't like it, but it would do more damage now still_one Aug 2012 #27

Dolan offered..putting them in the position of refusing. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #32

Iam not sure what you mean dolan offered, however, still_one Aug 2012 #43

I would not classify Catholics with fundy christians LynneSin Aug 2012 #39

What actions do you mean? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #17

I am saying I believe it is too late to resind the invite. The cardinal still_one Aug 2012 #30

Casey is not as anti-choice as we would try to make him out to be LynneSin Aug 2012 #40

He is anti-choice and wants roe v wade to be overturned. He was none too happy that the ACA allowed still_one Aug 2012 #106

No, that is not what you said at all. Let me quote you: Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #174

I don't think some can understand... NCTraveler Aug 2012 #37

I think so-called religion should not even be a part of the ceremony, but isn't it still_one Aug 2012 #98

I would not mind if it were not a part of the ceremony. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #187

I agree. Alduin Aug 2012 #9

No, you have it backwards. This is a way to piss off Dolan. Recursion Aug 2012 #12

Absolutely. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #16

So it's all about this one guy? The insult to millions and the ugly message sent don't matter Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #19

No...it's about avoiding a pissing match. Dolan asked since he was doing the RNC msanthrope Aug 2012 #26

Avoiding a pissing match? We are not talking about a pissing match we are talking about sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #126

Wait. So he didn't want to do it, but he asked to do it, and allowing him to do it insults him? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #179

Okay, I hadn't heard this, is there a link somewhere? Lionessa Aug 2012 #34

Exactly. nt pnwmom Aug 2012 #44

Dolan. Where have I heard that name before? Erose999 Aug 2012 #15

The "centrists" and triangulators now have their spot within the party Doctor_J Aug 2012 #22

No way. Not this time. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #60

I have no problem with this whatsoever Gman Aug 2012 #24

Prayer at political events is just wrong. --nt CrispyQ Aug 2012 #25

Again?!? MuseRider Aug 2012 #31

I believe we had to sit through a similar inaugural prayer by some CA homophobe evangelist. Lionessa Aug 2012 #33

Very offensive comparison kctim Aug 2012 #35

It is a completely legitimate comparison Marrah_G Aug 2012 #42

All rights are important kctim Aug 2012 #72

That assertion is grotesque. nt sibelian Aug 2012 #76

All rights are important Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #77

Politics has nothing to do with it kctim Aug 2012 #82

You might want to re-evaluated some of your assertions MNBrewer Aug 2012 #122

"GLBTs have not had to fight for their right to be considered a whole person." DURHAM D Aug 2012 #123

I would think that LGBT People of Color would wholeheartedly disagree with you. n/t JackBeck Aug 2012 #128

Valid point kctim Aug 2012 #175

For many LGBT People of Color, racism and homophobia/transphobia are not mutually exclusive. JackBeck Aug 2012 #181

You are correct kctim Aug 2012 #203

That happens to gay people all the time FreeState Aug 2012 #215

Under the law, slaveowners could basically do whatever they wanted with slaves hughee99 Aug 2012 #94

Under the law? Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #107

Sorry, you're wrong Confusious Aug 2012 #116

Even if that's the case Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #121

Blacks faced far worse even after the 13th Confusious Aug 2012 #130

The 13th Amendment didn't end anything. You apparently don't know about Jim Crow. kwassa Aug 2012 #166

"no where near the same ballpark" Raster Aug 2012 #131

Sigh kctim Aug 2012 #176

"All rights are important, but" Occulus Aug 2012 #148

Bullshit dbackjon Aug 2012 #201

The catholic church isn't lynching homosexuals 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #129

Not yet they aren't. Per catholic tradition, the preferred method would probably be burning. Raster Aug 2012 #137

Yeah that's a pretty huge leap 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #140

Not really. The catholic church is virulently homophobic and would prefer to send all LGBT Raster Aug 2012 #144

Your statements do not follow any logical pattern 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #146

To me, as a gay man, it does make sense. Occulus Aug 2012 #153

Question: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #155

Yes Heywood J Aug 2012 #171

Would you say the jews are likewise an anti-gay hate group akin to the KKK? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #173

Most religions would seem to fit the definition of a hate group. Heywood J Aug 2012 #216

Interesting 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #217

Goodbye. Heywood J Sep 2012 #218

Gasp! 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #220

Thank you. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #185

Thank you! OmahaBlueDog Aug 2012 #194

I find you very offensive to Gay Americans dbackjon Aug 2012 #200

Then you aren't listening kctim Aug 2012 #209

This message was self-deleted by its author Sekhmets Daughter Aug 2012 #207

We don't want to slight the Santeria voters, so let's... Bigmack Aug 2012 #38

That's really a slap in the face to the liberal wing of the party. Cleita Aug 2012 #41

No, it's just a strategic move against the Republicans. pnwmom Aug 2012 #47

Maybe, but what is the fkkin bigot in the red robe going to be spouting off about? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #50

It'll just be a quick, routine blessing -- it's not a sermon. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #55

"It's only one prayer." Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #63

1. Then why have it at all? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #80

To pop the air out of the GOP publicity balloon. pnwmom Aug 2012 #83

Yeah, the GOP always respects the truth! They can still say they have his endorsement, and Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #186

self-delete pnwmom Aug 2012 #196

that doesn't matter a bit Occulus Aug 2012 #154

I'm curious whether you think your prediction was accurate. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #221

So once again my rights and my human dignity Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #62

Some practicing, lay Catholics support the Church unquestioningly. Cleita Aug 2012 #70

More than 95% of Catholics have used birth control. pnwmom Aug 2012 #84

You are exactly what I'm referring to. Cleita Aug 2012 #85

I know. I love it when non-Catholics like you tell Catholics pnwmom Aug 2012 #88

au contraire. Cleita Aug 2012 #91

I know you are a FORMER Catholic. pnwmom Aug 2012 #99

My dear, my dear if you only knew Church doctrine, you would know that isn't true. Cleita Aug 2012 #104

Your Catholic education appears to be rusty. pnwmom Aug 2012 #108

Statements are not doctrine. Cleita Aug 2012 #109

Thank you for proving my point. You must have missed Part 3, Chapter 2, Article 3. pnwmom Aug 2012 #114

And do look up what kind of sin it is if you don't. Cleita Aug 2012 #115

Some sins are mortal, some are venial. pnwmom Aug 2012 #125

Same here about you. Cleita Aug 2012 #133

Ever hear of the sin of gluttony? Or did they skip that at your school? pnwmom Aug 2012 #135

Oh dear there is no doctrine that you have to pay your taxes. Cleita Aug 2012 #143

And what is the sin if you don't? Cleita Aug 2012 #119

What do you mean, "what is the sin if you don't"? pnwmom Aug 2012 #138

Yes, and you are encouraged to give alms, but no one says you have to. Cleita Aug 2012 #141

You are wrong. Sins of omission -- not giving the alms -- pnwmom Aug 2012 #145

If they really could pin a sin on him, they could excommunicate him, but there is no doctrine Cleita Aug 2012 #149

You really don't understand the Church. They don't excommunicate pnwmom Aug 2012 #164

Yet another example of the divisive nature of religion. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #147

Since it has become necessary to try to explain this away and since many people are not sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #211

DNC=reagan democrats Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #46

Seeing as how most conventions are dead bores, most of the audience will be sleeping. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #49

God Hates Figs Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #54

Religion & Politics elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #57

Not equivilent karynnj Aug 2012 #58

Thank you for demeaning my rights. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #64

No one - not Obama or me - are demeaning your rights karynnj Aug 2012 #150

The invitation should never have been extended. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #188

To everything there is a season karynnj Aug 2012 #195

This will be one blessing among several and it forces the Church pnwmom Aug 2012 #59

He doesn't stand on the Democratic platform... Scootaloo Aug 2012 #61

To make it clear that he's not endorsing the GOP when he does the same thing pnwmom Aug 2012 #66

It's fucked up, but this is not how you deal with it` Taverner Aug 2012 #65

Then how do we deal with it? Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #67

No don't take it - or rather TAKE it, don't take it? Taverner Aug 2012 #162

Damn. Solly Mack Aug 2012 #68

No they should not. Bigots should be slapped down HARD whenever they are encountered... Raster Aug 2012 #97

Hey, the Catholic Church doesn't even think women are worthy enough persons to be priests. Zorra Aug 2012 #71

But hey, it's OK, 'cause it's just one little prayer. Raster Aug 2012 #152

The KKK basically is giving benediction at the DNC pediatricmedic Aug 2012 #74

Hardly the worst transgression in that room DerekG Aug 2012 #75

I'm still pissed about the slap in the face of labor. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #78

One thing's for sure. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #79

Right on Electrominuette Aug 2012 #193

if it would help Elect someone who would end Segregation and prevent someone HOrrible JI7 Aug 2012 #87

Your comparing a Catholic bishop Riftaxe Aug 2012 #89

Yes. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #92

A speaker is hardly the same Riftaxe Aug 2012 #100

By having this bigot speak Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #103

There's no distinction between a person who would happily kill you loyalsister Aug 2012 #93

Well said! nt mucifer Aug 2012 #105

+1 renie408 Aug 2012 #113

As someone who is joining a Franciscan Church (to keep the family together), mmonk Aug 2012 #96

GLAAD: American Catholics Support Marriage Equality Despite Church Position JackBeck Aug 2012 #101

Owner of Prop 8 Website ProtectMarriage.com Admits to Molesting Boys Zorra Aug 2012 #102

The leader of the KKK? What are you talking about? Skip Intro Aug 2012 #110

So it's okay for my party Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #112

Don't put words in my mouth. Skip Intro Aug 2012 #117

Yes, you are missing something. progressoid Aug 2012 #132

Let's try reality for a minute. Skip Intro Aug 2012 #142

As you said up thread "don't put words in my mouth" progressoid Aug 2012 #160

*sigh* Skip Intro Aug 2012 #163

*sigh indeed* progressoid Aug 2012 #167

Rick Warren all over again. hay rick Aug 2012 #111

Except it is just one prayer. Get over it. tritsofme Aug 2012 #118

It was just one prayer Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #120

And there will be more. Maybe I shouldn't have said get over it. You should get used to it. tritsofme Aug 2012 #124

We're already used to it Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #127

How about having someone who supports the Civil Rights of all Americans say 'just one prayer' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #139

As a former Catholic and Catholc school graduate HockeyMom Aug 2012 #134

Hell no. 99Forever Aug 2012 #136

Marriage according to the BIBLE is: Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #151

A bad decision. MineralMan Aug 2012 #156

This hypocritical fucker will find a way to get in a dig at the Dems - mark my words. MotherPetrie Aug 2012 #157

of course he will. anyone that thinks Dolan will offer up just a "small blessing" is delusional Raster Aug 2012 #159

Whatever gets PBO reelected... progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #168

This is a completely unnecessary mistake that should be fixed immediately. stevenleser Aug 2012 #169

I have butted heads with Pab a few times DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #170

You seem to forget that Joe Biden is a Catholic Freddie Stubbs Aug 2012 #182

No, I don't. Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #190

Joe Biden is not part of the hierarchy Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #204

Are you seriously comparing the Catholic Church to the KKK? Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #183

No, I'm comparing Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #189

Well, I'm Catholic too. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #191

Really OmahaBlueDog Aug 2012 #198

He wants Catholiv votes as well. Dannyteague Aug 2012 #202

Then let him get a Catholic priest Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #205

He will get the votes of Progressive Catholics, but may lose some of those votes by this sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #212

It isn't the same as the KKK by any means but Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #213

the same arguments as during the inauguration. 'it's just one prayer' 'reaching across the aisle' HiPointDem Aug 2012 #214

Funny how some have to spend their time worrying so much Rex Sep 2012 #219