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moniss

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Wed Jun 19, 2019, 09:59 AM
Jun 2019

for the sourcing and yes there is regional variability but overall trending is down across the board. I would also point out that I use DAT and I can say that their numbers are usually very conservative. The actual reality is that markets like the Midwest/Plains States/Auto Belt are collapsing worse than the industry trends reflected by DAT. Small operations haul the vast majority of freight in this country every day and a man or woman with a $3,000.00 per month payment on a truck and trailer is staring disaster in the face. So they keep hauling cheaper and cheaper freight just to have cash flow to make the payment but it's a downward spiral because our freight system in this country is ruled by freight brokers and they keep offering lower and lower rates for loads because they know they have leverage. They pocket the difference. They typically run as pimps. I've personally sat in their offices and heard them work both ends against each other for their benefit even during a good economy. As an example a trucker calls the broker asking if he has loads. The broker says "No I don't it's real dead right now and if I do find you something it will be cheap". Five minutes later a shipper with a load calls the broker and the broker says "I'll try and find you a truck but there's hardly any around right now so if I do you're going to probably have to pay a little higher rate than normal." So the broker gets the shipper to agree to a high rate. then the broker calls the trucker back who had called in earlier. He dangles the load and says the following "Well I found you something but it's really cheap and it's way below normal rates but it's all there is." So now this desperate trucker is faced with a small amount of cash flow or nothing. the broker pockets the difference after having lied to both ends of the transaction they are a part of. Many times the broker is making as much or more than the trucker actually doing the work. This freight system in America is dysfunctional to say the least but it keeps going because there are thousands and thousands of average people every day who have few options to try and see a way up the economic ladder and so they turn to the siren song of owning their own business/truck. The finance companies will OK the deal with little to no money down even with iffy credit. If for some reason you are rejected then there are large freight companies who run a scam of "lease to own" where you lease the equipment from them and haul their freight exclusively. Supposedly you'll make plenty of money but most don't catch on that they are also determining how much you get paid for hauling the load. Because of normal expenses and the low pay few are ever successfully paying off the truck and then owning it but of course they don't show you that up front because then people wouldn't do the deal and haul their freight. If you realize you've been scammed and want to walk away they take the truck and you lose everything you paid into it.

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Mostly due to Trump's Trade Tariffs. ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #1
New England Motor Freight and Falcon Transport have gone bankrupt already Recursion Jun 2019 #2
Expect to see less 18 wheelers on the Highways...... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #4
I think prices would be going up due to drops in supply Captain Zero Jun 2019 #14
Usual cause of drop in shipping is less demand, which causes prices to drop. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #19
The problem is corn and soy harvests are going to be abysmal Recursion Jun 2019 #41
China not buying soy counteracts global warm drop in US supply. Corn & other prices might go up. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #44
Produce prices are already up where I am... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #51
Fewer 18 wheelers, less trucking. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #18
republicans get full blame Achilleaze Jun 2019 #3
And Democrats running for office down the ticket NEED to stress that...... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #5
"If you got it, a truck brought it." Achilleaze Jun 2019 #7
That picture is awesome awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #50
That would be Primm, NV, on I-15, right at the state line A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #59
Thank you! awesomerwb1 Jun 2019 #66
Shut it down. safeinOhio Jun 2019 #6
I'd love to see TEB Jun 2019 #9
Yup a nation wide strike is the only way to get the capitalist kings Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #17
Far from the only way. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #20
Well, what has stopped the ever increasing destruction? Farmer-Rick Jun 2019 #24
Please translate Tia uponit7771 Jun 2019 #8
Spot orders down 62% Recursion Jun 2019 #10
I think it means fewer last-minute orders for shipping, not total down 62%. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #21
Right, "asking for". Recursion Jun 2019 #31
In any event, that's a bad sign, as companies are now falling back to strategic order planning. TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #53
Can see it Bear Creek Jun 2019 #11
The latter is more likely, particularly as deportations hit the harvest labor force Recursion Jun 2019 #12
We will have to see Bear Creek Jun 2019 #13
90% of stock is owned by the upper 10%. panader0 Jun 2019 #49
Sounds like horrible news for retail. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #15
We've been in Retail Apocalypse for years Recursion Jun 2019 #16
Bare shelves in the stores? Where do you live? I've seen none of that. oldsoftie Jun 2019 #26
Our local produce is down to one brand of (*) when there used to be 6 Boxerfan Jun 2019 #73
That may be a regional issue. Codeine Jun 2019 #29
If we've learned anything since 2008 Recursion Jun 2019 #42
Not reginal Bear Creek Jun 2019 #62
drumpfs destruction of America in action, implementing Russias' plans for our demise. lark Jun 2019 #22
Not sure what those numbers are referring to specifically... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #23
What is shipped by flatbed? Whew....got a few minutes? A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #40
Sounds like construction and heavy mfg'ing mostly. eppur_se_muova Jun 2019 #45
Typically pre-consumer items, yeah. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #47
Related story: Tariffs may have big implications on trucking industry UpInArms Jun 2019 #25
So the shipping is down because companies over loaded early to beat price increases? oldsoftie Jun 2019 #27
Coming from a transport economist (me) GetRidOfThem Jun 2019 #28
Truckers got fucked by not being able to deduct expenses panader0 Jun 2019 #30
Yeah, I remember thinking when I saw the "tax cut" bill Recursion Jun 2019 #39
Onwner operators Sgent Jun 2019 #70
That's moniss Jun 2019 #32
DAT data Recursion Jun 2019 #34
This is surprising to me MuseRider Jun 2019 #33
I run mostly reefer loads, and so far I'm staying busy.. denbot Jun 2019 #35
That's interesting Recursion Jun 2019 #36
I text'd that table to my boss and asked him if he was worried.. denbot Jun 2019 #37
Reefer may feel it after the summer Recursion Jun 2019 #38
Thanks moniss Jun 2019 #46
I've only worked loading trucks but that sounds about right Recursion Jun 2019 #48
Yes indeed moniss Jun 2019 #60
With all due respect, the scenario you outlined above.... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #52
You need moniss Jun 2019 #58
"Many years" A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #64
So you moniss Jun 2019 #69
Fair enough A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #71
I still see lots of UPS and Fedex trucks, but those are local deliveries of course FakeNoose Jun 2019 #43
He's been looking for work for 2 years?!? A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #54
Well, he's got other problems holding him back FakeNoose Jun 2019 #56
OK...Fair enough, and I sympathize, really. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2019 #57
Thanks, that's a good suggestion FakeNoose Jun 2019 #63
That can't be right... Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #55
Needs to be spread widely BSdetect Jun 2019 #61
Very interesting. This is what I come to DU for. GusBob Jun 2019 #65
Good(ish) news for the Earth, though - less carbon being burned. maxsolomon Jun 2019 #67
Glad I retired 10 years ago liberaltrucker Jun 2019 #68
Cardboard Box manufacturers will be hit next. Xolodno Jun 2019 #72
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