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In reply to the discussion: Would you sit quietly as a leader of the KKK gave the benediction at the Democratic Convention? [View all]kwassa
(23,340 posts)166. The 13th Amendment didn't end anything. You apparently don't know about Jim Crow.
You need to get to a history course. The 13th Amendment was completely undone by the creation of Jim Crow laws throughout the South in the late 1800s. It is a huge subject, and here is one little piece of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
Between 1890 and 1910, ten of the eleven former Confederate states, starting with Mississippi, passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements.[6][7] Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote.
Voter turnout dropped drastically through the South as a result of such measures. For example, Alabama had tens of thousands of poor whites disfranchised.[8] In Louisiana, by 1900, black voters were reduced to 5,320 on the rolls, although they comprised the majority of the state's population. By 1910, only 730 blacks were registered, less than 0.5 percent of eligible black men. "In 27 of the state's 60 parishes, not a single black voter was registered any longer; in 9 more parishes, only one black voter was."[9] The cumulative effect in North Carolina meant that black voters were completely eliminated from voter rolls during the period from 18961904. The growth of their thriving middle class was slowed. In North Carolina and other Southern states, there were also the effects of invisibility: "[W]ithin a decade of disfranchisement, the white supremacy campaign had erased the image of the black middle class from the minds of white North Carolinians."[9]
Those who could not vote were not eligible to serve on juries and could not run for local offices. They effectively disappeared from political life, as they could not influence the state legislatures, and their interests were overlooked. While public schools had been established by Reconstruction legislatures for the first time in most Southern states; those for black children were consistently underfunded compared to schools for white children, even when considered within the strained finances of the postwar South where the decreasing price of cotton kept the agricultural economy at a low.
The main tool used to terrorize blacks was, of course, lynching.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States
Lynching, the practice of killing people by extrajudicial mob action, occurred in the United States chiefly from the late 18th century through the 1960s. Lynchings took place most frequently in the Southern United States from 1890 to the 1920s, with a peak in the annual toll in 1892. However, lynchings were also very common in the Old West.
It is associated with re-imposition of White supremacy in the South after the Civil War. The granting of civil rights to freedmen in the Reconstruction era (186577) aroused anxieties among white citizens, who came to blame African Americans for their own wartime hardship, economic loss, and forfeiture of social privilege. Black Americans, and Whites active in the pursuit of equal rights, were frequently lynched in the South during Reconstruction. Lynchings reached a peak in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when Southern states changed their constitutions and electoral rules to disfranchise most blacks and many poor whites, and, having regained political power, enacted a series of segregation and Jim Crow laws to reestablish White supremacy. Notable lynchings of civil rights workers during the 1960s in Mississippi contributed to galvanizing public support for the Civil Rights Movement and civil rights legislation.
The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites were lynched between 1882 and 1968.[1] Southern states created new constitutions between 1890 and 1910, with provisions that effectively disfranchised most blacks, as well as many poor whites. People who did not vote were excluded from serving on juries, and most blacks were shut out of the official political system.
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Would you sit quietly as a leader of the KKK gave the benediction at the Democratic Convention? [View all]
Pab Sungenis
Aug 2012
OP
So you are claiming that this pleases Catholics? They are glad to be defined as bigots?
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#10
So again, you claim that Democratic Catholics are not impressed with Biden being Catholic and
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#21
So your answer to the OP's question is yes, you would just stand aside and watch...but
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#23
LGBT families are not treated as families and to say so is just cheap rhetoric
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#177
No...you stand and laugh. Because that asshole couldn't stop gay marriage in his
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#29
That's not flawed logic, if it was you'd challenge it rather than foisting an empty insult
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#178
If I wrote your statement, I would change "Kind of like" to "Exactly like"
Agnosticsherbet
Aug 2012
#53
That's like saying of a Muslim leader, "doesn't he have a building to bomb"? (nt)
Nye Bevan
Aug 2012
#48
The Third Way Obama crowd is simply not content unless they deliver an insult to gay people.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#5
If Republicans had a preacher against interracial marriage in a place of honor . . .
Prism
Aug 2012
#6
He is anti-choice and wants roe v wade to be overturned. He was none too happy that the ACA allowed
still_one
Aug 2012
#106
I think so-called religion should not even be a part of the ceremony, but isn't it
still_one
Aug 2012
#98
So it's all about this one guy? The insult to millions and the ugly message sent don't matter
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#19
No...it's about avoiding a pissing match. Dolan asked since he was doing the RNC
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#26
Avoiding a pissing match? We are not talking about a pissing match we are talking about
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#126
Wait. So he didn't want to do it, but he asked to do it, and allowing him to do it insults him?
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#179
I believe we had to sit through a similar inaugural prayer by some CA homophobe evangelist.
Lionessa
Aug 2012
#33
"GLBTs have not had to fight for their right to be considered a whole person."
DURHAM D
Aug 2012
#123
I would think that LGBT People of Color would wholeheartedly disagree with you. n/t
JackBeck
Aug 2012
#128
For many LGBT People of Color, racism and homophobia/transphobia are not mutually exclusive.
JackBeck
Aug 2012
#181
Under the law, slaveowners could basically do whatever they wanted with slaves
hughee99
Aug 2012
#94
The 13th Amendment didn't end anything. You apparently don't know about Jim Crow.
kwassa
Aug 2012
#166
Not yet they aren't. Per catholic tradition, the preferred method would probably be burning.
Raster
Aug 2012
#137
Not really. The catholic church is virulently homophobic and would prefer to send all LGBT
Raster
Aug 2012
#144
Would you say the jews are likewise an anti-gay hate group akin to the KKK?
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#173
Maybe, but what is the fkkin bigot in the red robe going to be spouting off about?
MNBrewer
Aug 2012
#50
Yeah, the GOP always respects the truth! They can still say they have his endorsement, and
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#186
My dear, my dear if you only knew Church doctrine, you would know that isn't true.
Cleita
Aug 2012
#104
Thank you for proving my point. You must have missed Part 3, Chapter 2, Article 3.
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#114
If they really could pin a sin on him, they could excommunicate him, but there is no doctrine
Cleita
Aug 2012
#149
Since it has become necessary to try to explain this away and since many people are not
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#211
Seeing as how most conventions are dead bores, most of the audience will be sleeping.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2012
#49
No they should not. Bigots should be slapped down HARD whenever they are encountered...
Raster
Aug 2012
#97
Hey, the Catholic Church doesn't even think women are worthy enough persons to be priests.
Zorra
Aug 2012
#71
if it would help Elect someone who would end Segregation and prevent someone HOrrible
JI7
Aug 2012
#87
And there will be more. Maybe I shouldn't have said get over it. You should get used to it.
tritsofme
Aug 2012
#124
How about having someone who supports the Civil Rights of all Americans say 'just one prayer'
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#139
This hypocritical fucker will find a way to get in a dig at the Dems - mark my words.
MotherPetrie
Aug 2012
#157
of course he will. anyone that thinks Dolan will offer up just a "small blessing" is delusional
Raster
Aug 2012
#159
This is a completely unnecessary mistake that should be fixed immediately.
stevenleser
Aug 2012
#169
He will get the votes of Progressive Catholics, but may lose some of those votes by this
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#212
the same arguments as during the inauguration. 'it's just one prayer' 'reaching across the aisle'
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#214