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hfojvt

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16. Her statement was awful, but Pierce's reply not much better
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aug 2012

"sand, with a whole lot of pissed-off Native Americans".

My uncle from OKC once commented that my hometown, where streets are named after states in the US, does not have an Oklahoma street. I figured that was because the city of 12,000 was not big enough to have enough streets to include all 50 states.

What I did not know at the time was that Oklahoma, like Vermont, was not even supposed to be a state. As probably most DUers know, before Oklahoma was opened to white settlers in 1889, it was first set aside, (and forcibly populated) as permanent Native American territory.

As Donald J Berthrong wrote in 1976, the settlement looked like this from the Native American side

Of the millions of acres once controlled by the tribes, they now retained only 529,692 acres. Even that small remnant would in another ten years begin to slip away from their possession because of the acts of Congress and the greed of land-hungry farmers and landjobbers. 181

At high noon on April 19, 1892, between 25 and 30,000 settlers made a run into the Cheyenne-Arapaho Reservation, and immediately began a new era for the Cheyennes and Arapahoes. The tribesmen had long been in contact with white men, but never as neighbors and never in such overwhelming numbers. Within a few hours, the Cheyennes and Arapahoes became a minority, constituting about 10% of the population among the farmers, small ranchers, and inhabitants of the small towns in the six counties that had formerly constituted the Cheyenne-Arapaho Reservation. As citizens of the U.S. and Oklahoma Territory the Indians in theory possessed all the rights and privileges of citizenship with their lands and property protected from alienation under the terms of the Dawes Act and other legislation. In practice, however, it was difficult to guard the Indians against the prejudices and the avariciousness of the new residents and officials of the Cheyenne-Arapaho country. 182


Yet Pierce wants to make sure the Federal Government gets credit for this?

The other part I would scoff at is the Governor's claim that "Oklahoma is one of the nation's job creators".

Oklahoma is one of the poorest states in the region. Oklahoma's neighbors are Kansas, Arkansas, Texas, New Mexico, and Colorado.
Here's median income in 2010

Oklahoma - 43,400
Kansas - 46,229
Arkansas - 38,571
Texas - 47,464
New Mexico - 45,098
Colorado - 60,442
US - 49,445

Oklahoma's poverty rate of 15.6% makes them 44th. Meaning they have a higher poverty rate than 43 of the other 49 states. (although better than their neighbors Arkansas and Texas who are 45th and 46th http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate)

Oklahoma DOES have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the nation, but seems to have created a mere 60,000 jobs in the last 3 years whereas a state like Minnesota created over 100,000 in the last two, but Oklahoma has clearly been helped in this recession by basically being a member of OPEC.

Still, considering their poverty rate and their median income, I wouldn't brag about their economy.

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I would like to respectfully add that it was OUR FUCKING OIL! Scuba Aug 2012 #1
And still does, it's just being shunted through the middle man corporations. Who count on the whole freshwest Aug 2012 #26
I don't understand why Rustycup Aug 2012 #68
Why do the Norwegians get 4X the royalty per barrel of oil as the US? Scuba Aug 2012 #69
It might have something to do with the leadership of Norway Quantess Aug 2012 #70
Yeah, you're way out on a limb there. Scuba Aug 2012 #71
I really am just guessing. Quantess Aug 2012 #72
Yeah, the lousy Socialists! maddiemom Aug 2012 #74
K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2012 #2
Kick! Oilwellian Aug 2012 #3
Charlie Pierce is the best there is hifiguy Aug 2012 #4
Oklahoma settlement was made possible by forced removal/massacre of native people, LeftinOH Aug 2012 #5
Thanks William Pitt coldbeer Aug 2012 #36
is heaven05 Aug 2012 #75
no, poorly worded on my part. coldbeer Sep 2012 #79
ten four heaven05 Sep 2012 #80
It was also the part of trail of tears defacto7 Aug 2012 #59
And they didn't create farms from vacant wilderness. fasttense Aug 2012 #64
"the Event Horizon of utter bullshit" hifiguy Aug 2012 #6
I was just about to post that. bleever Aug 2012 #11
What IS the Schwartzchild radius of bull poop? longship Aug 2012 #44
I don't know, but the gravitational pull of bovine excrement hifiguy Aug 2012 #45
Then that would be, by definition, within the Schwartzchild radius. longship Aug 2012 #57
That was good. mgc1961 Aug 2012 #56
Everyone should be reading Pierce's election coverage. EVERYONE. Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #7
Ignorance is their forte. Smilo Aug 2012 #8
I laughed out loud at this part: steve2470 Aug 2012 #9
Me too. That's the sort of reaching across the aisle... WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2012 #35
LBJ was an iron fist in an iron glove. hifiguy Aug 2012 #41
So Bill Clinton's their hero now . . . janet118 Aug 2012 #73
And she is not even a native of the state. BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #10
US Capitalism is really just veiled socialism. Always has been and always will be. cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #12
It's a funny veil too Hydra Aug 2012 #31
Now you see what we have to deal with on a daily avebury Aug 2012 #13
Best article yet -- a stunning summation of LuckyLib Aug 2012 #14
K&R Nothing better can be said to sum up that convention. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2012 #15
Her statement was awful, but Pierce's reply not much better hfojvt Aug 2012 #16
the picture of her xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #17
K&R Sedona Aug 2012 #18
Free land from the government, hmmm. . . but B Calm Aug 2012 #19
Doesnt really follow does it. Blanks Aug 2012 #54
And this gem from Krispy Kreme. geardaddy Aug 2012 #20
oxen moron Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #24
Zing! geardaddy Aug 2012 #30
Re-creating history every day get the red out Aug 2012 #21
brilliant Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #22
That struck me, too. Empty? Couldn't see 'them injuns'? What paralled universe do they live in? freshwest Aug 2012 #23
Empty of white people. Only white people count. tclambert Aug 2012 #49
I made an OP on that subject from an article here: freshwest Aug 2012 #50
Since 2007, Oklahoma has had 24 presidential declarations for major disasters and five presidentiall Cosmocat Aug 2012 #25
The 'Government' did one good thing for the Native Peoples in Oklahoma formercia Aug 2012 #27
I don't think my great great grand parents thought much about that defacto7 Aug 2012 #60
The Oil was a financial boon to the Tribe formercia Aug 2012 #65
Yes, you built that. On bodies, with slaves, and by raping the land. nolabear Aug 2012 #28
I have been in OK during one celebration of the Land Rush, to which no American Indians were invited patrice Aug 2012 #29
Brilliant!! n/t ceile Aug 2012 #32
Big AMEN to THAT. The whole essay. +1000000. closeupready Aug 2012 #33
Pierce is tragically a member of the reality-based community deutsey Aug 2012 #34
Don't forget the "Louisiana Purchase"! livingonearth Aug 2012 #37
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #38
He is my favorite blogger mcar Aug 2012 #39
k&r n/t RainDog Aug 2012 #40
Wouldn't it be dishonoring Custer to tell the truth? Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #42
Posted this on FB... Atman Aug 2012 #43
And "their own money" & "not the federal government's money" Amonester Aug 2012 #46
Oklahoma is also the state Caeser67 Aug 2012 #47
a terrible time... defacto7 Aug 2012 #61
yeah heaven05 Aug 2012 #77
That was gross just having to read the LIES The GOP Built.. Cha Aug 2012 #48
John Galt founded Oklahoma, without anybody's help, cutting down the forests with his own two hands, tclambert Aug 2012 #51
Now the native tribes have lots of casinos. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #52
Brilliant malaise Aug 2012 #53
You'd think that with all the historical fetishism in the Republican party. . . theinquisitivechad Aug 2012 #55
They grasp at straws for their invented history. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #67
Kicked and recommended. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #58
Okahoma! We The People Built That! TeamPooka Aug 2012 #62
Good editorial Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2012 #63
"That dog won't hunt." She got that much right. geckosfeet Aug 2012 #66
Nothing but endless, shameless lies jsr Aug 2012 #76
Wasn't Oklahoma populated with First Americans before 1889? SemperEadem Aug 2012 #78
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