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Buckeyeblue

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18. I'm not sure I agree

Sat Jul 6, 2019, 11:42 AM

Jul 2019

To me, the Trump people are middle to lower class white people (men and women) who believe that they are being discriminated against by policies (mostly imagined) that give minorities any type of advantage over them. These people take anecdotal stories (often without knowing the whole story) and apply it to the big picture. But they don't think of themselves as racist. But they do need to blame other people for their short comings. Trump was the first mainstream politician to address this group with very specific language. And they responded. While he hasn't (and can't) make their lives better, just being on their side is enough. That's why his support will stay around the 38-42% range.

In that 38-42% range are also the Evangelicals (or New Christians as I like to refer to them). They support Trump because he hates women's rights and gays, the two big evils. He doesn't live the life of Jesus but they don't either. In fact if Jesus came back as the middle eastern man from the Bible, he would be renounced as a fake and rejected. The New Christians have created a religion tailored to support their refined bigotry.

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We can't understand Trumpenstein's base without understanding toxic masculinity. [View all] ariadne0614 Jul 2019 OP

In other words, they're sheep. Hopefully they're like lemmings too Brawndo Jul 2019 #1

This book is the perfect gift for Trumpsters. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #4

It would be grand, but they'd have to accept that something was wrong first Brawndo Jul 2019 #8

They share that trait with the Con - never admit that you're wrong. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #10

It's the sure sign of a deluded mental midget, never at fault for anything. Brawndo Jul 2019 #13

True. Duppers Jul 2019 #33

They're DITTO HEADS. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #2

There's a lot of truth in this. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #3

While simultaneously seething over their rejection by most women. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #5

Yeah, they absolutely despise women, and then wonder why women avoid them. Their hate Nay Jul 2019 #12

"There are a lot of men out there who don't like women. raccoon Jul 2019 #31

Yep, agree 1,000%, have thought the same. "perverse performance art, a testosterone-fueled circus" RKP5637 Jul 2019 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #19

But shanti Jul 2019 #15

Women often buy into the whole toxic masculinity thing. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #16

I think you're on to something here. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #28

I've noticed that debating treestar Jul 2019 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #20

That's peer pressure, producing the same toxic masculinity that turns people into gun humpers. ooky Jul 2019 #9

Sadly, a lot of (mostly white) women have bought into it, too. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #21

Same here. I just don't get it. I would think they would be avoiding this guy like the plague! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2019 #23

I am not stunned. MicaelS Jul 2019 #64

But why do they think their female bosses were worse than male bosses? yardwork Jul 2019 #91

If men would reject it, I think those women would gladly follow them out of the pit. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #66

Ever since the Gillette campaign customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #14

Here's the difference. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #29

It is offensive to me and divisive. There is no parallel term for violent, cruel, inhumane, callous emmaverybo Jul 2019 #30

You're kidding, right? ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #36

Not among liberals, not one that is considered politically correct. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #37

I have to wash socks. BBL n/t rzemanfl Jul 2019 #59

Nobody customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #45

Like overt racism, it went underground. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #67

So customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #69

Thank you customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #43

Yes, and let's bury the lively discussions about our nation's racist history too. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #72

No one's trying to bury anything customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #73

"The Man They Wanted Me to Be: Toxic Masculinity and a Crisis of Our Own Making" ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #74

I don't feel customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #76

I didn't read it in a college class. It was just published. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #83

Thanks customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #84

Because two of those things are people and one of them is a social construct. meadowlander Jul 2019 #94

I've always believed this to be true. LuckyCharms Jul 2019 #17

And we seemingly have a lot of backward fucks in the USA. I figured Trump would be out on his ear RKP5637 Jul 2019 #24

Their politics are a form of agression imposing dominance on others DBoon Jul 2019 #26

I'm not sure I agree Buckeyeblue Jul 2019 #18

Yep, exactly what I think too. I live in a neighborhood that is fairly nice, houses and all, but I RKP5637 Jul 2019 #25

I live in a neighborhood full of educated and affluent, racist, bigoted trash. SharonAnn Jul 2019 #53

Yep, wealth and education often make no difference. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2019 #56

"They support Trump because he hates women's rights and gays, the two big evils." ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #32

But the point of the post is these people don't agree with Trump Buckeyeblue Jul 2019 #47

What's the underlying cause of their hate? ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #51

2 things Buckeyeblue Jul 2019 #58

tRump is a genius at being a con artist. He says whatever to get the vote. Any believers thinking RKP5637 Jul 2019 #57

I think he believes most of it Buckeyeblue Jul 2019 #60

Yep, I agree ... I think there is a core of pure hatred and evilness about him toward immigration. RKP5637 Jul 2019 #62

And 52% of white women suffer from the same toxic masculinity maxrandb Jul 2019 #22

Yes, a disgusting number of white women still support the patriarchy. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #34

"Toxic masculinity" is a sexist phrase and should not be used. gulliver Jul 2019 #35

What would you call it, then? It's a thing, to be sure. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #38

There's nothing wrong with masculinity any more than there is femininity. gulliver Jul 2019 #39

"Excessive" masculinity would be undefinable. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #41

+1 ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #46

Very well said, although monster trucks may well be toxic in their own right. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2019 #61

Toxic masculinity is also undefinable. Maybe "false" masculinity is closer. gulliver Jul 2019 #78

Okay, here's the deal. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #40

Wow, I didn't realize customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #44

Oh, never mind. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #49

Well, you come here out of the blue customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #52

Out of the blue? How so? ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #77

Your post total customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #79

Someone who posted to this thread joined DU in 2005 and has rzemanfl Jul 2019 #81

Yes, that is suspicious customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #82

I think things are so dire "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies. rzemanfl Jul 2019 #89

I appreciate your point, although I would be sad if. . ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #92

I know I don't customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #93

I appreciate being differentiated from suspicious characters. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #87

I see. Didn't mean to break any unspoken rules. ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #85

Me, too customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #88

blah blah blah #notallmen obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #70

Let's hope customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #71

Oh, bull. BlueStater Jul 2019 #48

Well, I'm a man. Are you saying you speak for me? gulliver Jul 2019 #75

How did you interpret that from my post? BlueStater Jul 2019 #80

There is literally NO WAY for it to be a sexist phrase obamanut2012 Jul 2019 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2019 #42

"What will you hand men that works as well?" ariadne0614 Jul 2019 #86

I call bullshit. These are not "masculine men" and I resent Drahthaardogs Jul 2019 #50

So they are cowards? guillaumeb Jul 2019 #54

So - they are following JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #55

I don't think it's the masculinity that is the problem. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2019 #63

most of them are Incels and other gross losers like Trump himself JI7 Jul 2019 #65

Poor closeted straight male human beings. Mc Mike Jul 2019 #90