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119. It condemns itself. Just read the website. Any researcher could tell you that a self-selected

Sun Jul 28, 2019, 02:46 AM

Jul 2019

sample won't project to the general population.

It might be useful to an individual pet owner as a measure of how well their dog did on the particular test items. But it won't give you valid results for comparing different breeds.

https://methods.sagepub.com/reference/encyclopedia-of-survey-research-methods/n526.xml

Self-selection bias is the problem that very often results when survey respondents are allowed to decide entirely for themselves whether or not they want to participate in a survey. To the extent that respondents' propensity for participating in the study is correlated with the substantive topic the researchers are trying to study, there will be self-selection bias in the resulting data. In most instances, self-selection will lead to biased data, as the respondents who choose to participate will not well represent the entire target population.

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And people wonder why I hate pit bulls? [View all] Archae Jul 2019 OP

You and Michael Vick... hlthe2b Jul 2019 #1

The problem is that many animal care and control shelters are not well-run either because they emmaverybo Jul 2019 #32

that's interesting, is there a way to take a behavioral assessment of dogs treestar Jul 2019 #85

there is behavioral training available at multiple levels, from basic to PhD-level hlthe2b Jul 2019 #86

thank you treestar Jul 2019 #98

Hmm, working with dogs on a proffesional level Doreen Jul 2019 #2

"small breeds also are capable of the same thing as ANY other breed. " SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #4

It is hard to be "inaccurate" when you have Doreen Jul 2019 #8

"It is hard to be "inaccurate" when you have personally worked with dogs most of your life." SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #9

Say what you think the truth is but Doreen Jul 2019 #13

Your reality involves the possibility of two Bichon's killing twenty-nine cats. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #14

NO, you are not really paying attention to WHAT Doreen Jul 2019 #15

I appreciate that you are changing your wording to more accurately reflect reality. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #16

Sorry for my crappy wording. Doreen Jul 2019 #24

+1 NT SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #25

I understood perfectly all of your posts Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #42

I do not like to argue. Doreen Jul 2019 #50

I understand that you were not the one arguing. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #64

I talked to a lady years ago about her daughter coming over Doreen Jul 2019 #73

And cats can fight off small dogs. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2019 #29

I have seen the cat lose to a small dog before Doreen Jul 2019 #54

Small breeds are capable of inflicting damage when they bite and can, as larger breeds, be emmaverybo Jul 2019 #40

Spot on. NT SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #43

Pit bulls operate from extreme prey drive Drahthaardogs Jul 2019 #121

..but with small breeds you can basically pick them up by the scruff of the neck to seperate them.. samnsara Jul 2019 #52

The only times I have ever been bitten, other then by my own dog, was by smaller dogs. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #55

That isn't in line with reality. Small dogs are capable of biting, but their bites pnwmom Jul 2019 #7

I realize fully that they do not cause as much damage Doreen Jul 2019 #12

I'd rather be attacked by 40 2-pound poodles than 2 40-pound pits. n/t zackymilly Jul 2019 #19

But those darn poodles can lick you to death. LisaL Jul 2019 #30

This Meowmee Jul 2019 #102

Yes and on a carnage level... LakeArenal Jul 2019 #104

This is a tough one for me. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #3

don't think these are pit bulls, but another horror story about dogs killing other animals..... a kennedy Jul 2019 #5

Well, just great. I'm moving to Elizabeth in a week ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #18

Damn.......hope your feathered friends can remain alive..... a kennedy Jul 2019 #49

Put your hate where it belongs....on people. I don't hate any animal...I feel bad for you. nt UniteFightBack Jul 2019 #6

Why? I hate them too essme Jul 2019 #11

A female actual American Pit Bull terrior are not very big JonLP24 Jul 2019 #10

Most dogs do not like cats unless they have been socialized to be around them standingtall Jul 2019 #17

Pro-tip: Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #20

and saying it isn't doesn't make it not a fact standingtall Jul 2019 #22

Yeah, that's not actually how the burden of proof works. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #28

Dogs and Cats do not like each other and it is natural standingtall Jul 2019 #34

Since moving to rural NC 20 years ago Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #45

easy there stopdiggin Jul 2019 #44

That is bullshit. alphafemale Jul 2019 #96

dogs do not need to be trained to attack cats standingtall Jul 2019 #99

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #105

Ban the breed. nt LexVegas Jul 2019 #21

A friend called me and asked if he could put his two pits in my fenced in yard. zackymilly Jul 2019 #23

If insurance agencies reject them, it's because they've got solid data.... lindysalsagal Jul 2019 #27

I was stalked by a neighbor's pit bull once, in my own yard. I called the police. lindysalsagal Jul 2019 #26

Scary! My neighbor across the alley had a huge male pit that bit my hand - 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #56

I believe it. They're so fast and smart and strong. And deadly. lindysalsagal Jul 2019 #77

I was lucky. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #79

Really? They haven't made a decision on what to do with those pits? LisaL Jul 2019 #31

Natural Born enemies quickesst Jul 2019 #33

Natural born enemies? LisaL Jul 2019 #35

There are many animals quickesst Jul 2019 #57

Not a good analogy at all. Phoenix61 Jul 2019 #37

And you think no other dog ever tried to? standingtall Jul 2019 #41

It's natural for dogs who were bred to hunt Phoenix61 Jul 2019 #47

Again their equipment is outdated of course there was not an incident like that there before standingtall Jul 2019 #48

I know it's not a good analogy quickesst Jul 2019 #58

Prey drive is not "instilled by human beings." Phoenix61 Jul 2019 #82

Miss this part? quickesst Jul 2019 #107

No, I didn't miss any part Phoenix61 Jul 2019 #108

Great points nt AndJusticeForSome Jul 2019 #38

I thought so quickesst Jul 2019 #59

Even if cats got out of their cages in a shelter and killed some birds, you wouldn't have to worry LisaL Jul 2019 #46

Not really, but it's..... quickesst Jul 2019 #68

And yet most healthy dogs wouldn't have entertained themselves by killing 29 cats, pnwmom Jul 2019 #109

I've already addressed that quickesst Jul 2019 #112

A high percentage of dogs in rescues are pit bull mixes because they are the ones pnwmom Jul 2019 #113

They were not being bred to fight other dogs quickesst Jul 2019 #114

That test by the "American Temperament Test Society" is a joke. pnwmom Jul 2019 #117

if you say so quickesst Jul 2019 #118

It condemns itself. Just read the website. Any researcher could tell you that a self-selected pnwmom Jul 2019 #119

A dog does not get to choose.... quickesst Jul 2019 #123

No, but the dog's owner does. The characteristics of an owner who would choose pnwmom Jul 2019 #125

that's not "representative" of the argument at all stopdiggin Jul 2019 #126

To all the defenders of pit bulls. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #36

Here ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #63

+1000 Niagara Jul 2019 #66

Those are only a few of the hundreds ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #67

I found stories where pit bulls and rottweilers that Niagara Jul 2019 #72

There have been many news pieces and articles Niagara Jul 2019 #70

Chihuahuas actually are one of the most aggressive and violent dogs TalenaGor Jul 2019 #71

And yet because of their size they are unlikely to be able to kill a cat. nt pnwmom Jul 2019 #110

I've known two pitbulls who live/lived with cats. Eugene Jul 2019 #39

They are unpredictable. Insurance companies covering rentals will cancel your insurance for pits. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #51

Check out rescues Freddie Jul 2019 #62

I know, I feel sorry for the dogs. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #80

She's the best dog ever Freddie Jul 2019 #100

omg those poor cats IcyPeas Jul 2019 #53

I've seen a few farm cats killed by dogs NickB79 Jul 2019 #60

Dogs do what dogs do. hunter Jul 2019 #61

(Pics) I dont think you can sterotype dogs anymore than you can humans... TalenaGor Jul 2019 #65

Your "kids" are adorable! Niagara Jul 2019 #75

thank you TalenaGor Jul 2019 #76

What's a 'pit bull'? RichardRay Jul 2019 #69

Is this question the same as, "what's an assault rifle?" Politicub Jul 2019 #94

Is it? I don't know. RichardRay Jul 2019 #111

That's sad. My Grandson and his wife have a Pit. He's the sweetest loving dog I have seen. Autumn Jul 2019 #74

There is a reasom Newland56 Jul 2019 #78

Lots of good info on this thread..I've learned a lot. Captain Stern Jul 2019 #81

I think hippos kill almost 3000 people a year in Africa pecosbob Jul 2019 #83

BBC says hippos kill 500 people a year Beringia Jul 2019 #97

A friend has a pit bull rescue. MicaelS Jul 2019 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2019 #87

Dogsbite.org is not an objectice source that site is propaganda and has been debunked many times standingtall Jul 2019 #89

American Dog Breeders Association (Wikipedia article) Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2019 #90

Not sure what this reponse is so suppose to mean standingtall Jul 2019 #91

I'll remove it then. Whatever. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2019 #92

The pit bulls knew that the cats were zero danger to them, but they killed them anyway Polybius Jul 2019 #88

Cue the, "but muh sweet pittie wouldn't hurt a fly. I leave him alone with my babies," people Politicub Jul 2019 #93

My parent's neighbor got a Pitbull pup and he was very aggressive. Dawson Leery Jul 2019 #95

Our thirty pound dog was attacked from behind by a pit-bull mix and a German Shepard. pnwmom Jul 2019 #101

A good friend of mine several months ago, had a pit bull attack their dog. Archae Jul 2019 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author artemisia1 Jul 2019 #106

No, nobody wonders. flvegan Jul 2019 #115

It's not the breed, it is the owners who train them to be vicious. Mankind is its own enemy! akbacchus_BC Jul 2019 #116

It was dobermans ---- rotweilers ---- German shepherds alphafemale Jul 2019 #120

yep, and do you see a pattern here? stopdiggin Jul 2019 #127

Luckily, most people here pintobean Jul 2019 #122

I grew up with a wonderful boxer.. mountain grammy Jul 2019 #124

Sorry. There is absolutely no excuse for this. democratisphere Jul 2019 #128