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mr_lebowski

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54. They didn't much choice of ingredients did they now?

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:13 PM

Aug 2019

Burning tobacco is toxic to inhale, and there was never any getting around it.

If you really think a huge corporation with legal liabilities is going to be as careless as fly-by-night street vendor when it comes to ingredients they put by choice in their products, when safe alternatives are available, I don't know what to tell you, other than that I strongly disagree.

There's no evidence that Juul or anyone else making vape products is carelessly including heavy metals in their products as a cost-saving measure, just because 'they don't have to divulge ingredients', so they're therefore throwing caution to the wind and poisoning the public for a few extra bucks.

This accusation is made-up bullshit, basically.

And we'll see whether this particular problem is traced to a major manufacturer ... I'll give you 10-1 odds ... It's not. Otherwise it wouldn't be localized like this.

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22 people have been hospitalized with vaping-linked breathing problems. [View all] SunSeeker Aug 2019 OP

Very unlike the healthful smoke that smoldering tobacco emanates lol ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #1

Kids are inhaling this shit, and we don't know what's in it. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #2

Good response! pandr32 Aug 2019 #6

First off ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #10

Here's a link for ya... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #11

You are contradicting your original point ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #15

Funny how these folks don't freak out about flavored alcoholic beverages Mariana Aug 2019 #28

Might it be because they enjoy pleasant-tasting alcoholic beverages, but don't enjoy nicotine? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #30

Might it be that as bad as alcohol can be PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #33

And what percent of people who vape die from the effects of vaping? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #40

We don't know yet, because vaping has PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #47

Yes there is scientific evidence of just how dangerous vaping is. It's called popcorn lung Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #89

Scientific evidence: Mariana Aug 2019 #96

Yes, specifically linked to acetals ... I've discussed above. Flavorings producing acetals are no mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #100

Smoking and vaping are very different things. Mariana Aug 2019 #41

What's dishonest is to try to pretend that vaping PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #49

No one has said that vaping is completely benign. Mariana Aug 2019 #56

And sometimes the thing blows up in the vaper's face. NT raccoon Aug 2019 #63

But we DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY VAPED, PO. mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #86

And what do non smokers die from,non-smoking? virgogal Aug 2019 #46

All kinds of wonderful things. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #48

Guess the doc was wrong-I smoke,have a good quality life,and will be 85 next week. Genes matter. virgogal Aug 2019 #58

You do understand how phenomenally lucky you are? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #61

The kids buy them by choice......and in spite of what caring parents tell them. virgogal Aug 2019 #27

And so do the vast majority of adults (buy them) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #35

are you freakin serious? Locrian Aug 2019 #53

They didn't much choice of ingredients did they now? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #54

oh ffs.... Locrian Aug 2019 #104

You really think I don't know all that? Me? FFS ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #108

Thank you. Nt raccoon Aug 2019 #65

This is why the flavors SoCalNative Aug 2019 #34

There's no evidence of anything you're saying ... the ONE person who we know where they got their mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #83

Pediatric doctors treat up to age 18. colorado_ufo Aug 2019 #3

Actually, to age 21, according to my Ilsa Aug 2019 #5

Fair enough ... but what do most people think of when they read 'pediatric'? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #24

+1000 emmaverybo Aug 2019 #75

Vaping IS poisoning our kids. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #79

Opioids are the most addictive thing there is, but guess what? THEY'RE NOT POISONOUS. mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #81

If you're "taking HARD CORE opioids," I suggest you go to bed. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #88

Way to avoid my points again, SS ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #99

+1000 nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #7

Do you think vaping is safe? SunSeeker Aug 2019 #8

I think it's very risky to buy vape fluid or cartridges off the street Mariana Aug 2019 #9

How about answering my question? SunSeeker Aug 2019 #12

It isn't a particularly useful or informative question. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #13

You're inhaling NICOTINE and "shit," as you acknowledge. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #14

No one here is suggesting it should be marketed to children. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #20

Please show us an ad which shows vaping being marketed to kids. Mariana Aug 2019 #21

Here's a link for ya... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #43

So, you object to the names of the flavors? nt? Mariana Aug 2019 #57

Please be serious. Bubblegum flavor is clearly a ploy to entice kids/teens. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #59

I was not even a bit interested in 'bubblegum' anymore once I hit about 12 years old ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #78

This isn't about you. This is about our kids. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #80

Oh, it absolutely IS about me. I'd be smoking if it weren't for vaping. mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #82

No one is trying to stop you from vaping. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #87

Do people HAVE TO either smoke or vape? nt raccoon Aug 2019 #16

No. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #19

Same calculus we make with Subs/Buprenorphine and/or Methadone ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #26

Puritanism has prevailed for decades in America's approach to addiction treatment so that the goal emmaverybo Aug 2019 #84

Agree w/everything you've said :) (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #85

The article in the OP doesn't even claim that vaping caused the illnesses. Mariana Aug 2019 #98

Do teenagers HAVE to have sex? coti Aug 2019 #36

For what it's worth, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #51

Indeed, they are also smoking cigarettes a lot less. coti Aug 2019 #67

Sex is an instinct. Smoking/vaping isn't. raccoon Aug 2019 #64

"Instinct" or otherwise makes no difference, and vaping isn't harmless, just way, way, less harmful coti Aug 2019 #68

We don't really know that vaping is way, way less harmful PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #70

It sounds like you're saying reducing deaths caused by smoking by 50% would be insignificant coti Aug 2019 #106

No-I think they are about extremists... flotsam Aug 2019 #31

I think it is safe. So do each of my doctors. LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #32

It is clearly much, much safer than tobacco. coti Aug 2019 #39

Did your doctor actually say it's "safe"? I imagine if you're already addicted to nicotine... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #44

"It won't hurt you" LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #50

Nicotine is harmful. Vaping definitely hurts kids by getting them hooked on nicotine. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #55

I'll take the advice of my doctors. You know, the entire life of a person LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #60

Some people hate smokers - and former smokers, too. Mariana Aug 2019 #72

OFFS, I don't hate current or former smokers. I just don't want vaping poisoning our kids. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #77

Selling vaping products to children is already illegal under federal law. Mariana Aug 2019 #95

Most states allow sales to teens. Vaping risks to those under 25 are not well known. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #97

Be informed! Vaping is harmful Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #90

I am quite informed. My flavors contain no diacetyl. LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #91

Nicotine is just a stimulant, like caffeine. nt coti Aug 2019 #66

No, not "like caffeine." Nicotine damages teen brains and is addictive as heroin, unlike caffeine. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #74

Your desire to villify nicotine itself, as opposed to tobacco, is misguided to say the least coti Aug 2019 #105

I'm not trying to "vilify" nicotine. I am stating facts. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #111

Can You Cite A Study... jayfish Aug 2019 #101

I already did, upthread. There's the Surgeon General reports, like these: SunSeeker Aug 2019 #112

I think it's coming from fake carts. Most likely fake weed carts. Reputable ejuice is tested etc. UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #62

They were also vaping illegal THC, cut with who knows what off of the streets JCMach1 Aug 2019 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #4

Smoking ANYTHING is not safe, but do take these reports with strong caution JCMach1 Aug 2019 #17

This report doesn't actually provide much in the way of facts. Mariana Aug 2019 #25

You need to get this flotsam Aug 2019 #45

+1 LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #52

Yes there are dangerous compounds in them. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #92

Not if you procure quality flavorings with no diacetyl. LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #93

There has never been a case of popcorn lung caused by vaping flotsam Aug 2019 #94

Also,... jayfish Aug 2019 #103

For info: Willie Nelson is back on the road again. lpbk2713 Aug 2019 #22

He gets knocked down ... but he get up again ... no they never gonna keep him down 🎶 nt mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #29

If you are going to vape.... SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #23

Exactly SoCalNative Aug 2019 #37

Don't buy it anywhere Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #38

Let me add. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #42

Took a class, guy said basically ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #69

sounds like... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #71

In the case of the young man in the story, that might well be true. Mariana Aug 2019 #73

Lungs work best with clean air. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #76

And Where Might That Be? jayfish Aug 2019 #102

a scarce commodity Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #107

So...Should we encourage kids to switch from vaping to cigarettes? fescuerescue Aug 2019 #109

So...No. Maybe kids should do neither. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #110

Obviously they shouldn't fescuerescue Aug 2019 #113

Of course cigs are more harmful, especially in the long run. That's not the point. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #114