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In reply to the discussion: 22 people have been hospitalized with vaping-linked breathing problems. [View all]SunSeeker
(58,096 posts)77. OFFS, I don't hate current or former smokers. I just don't want vaping poisoning our kids.
I never said nicotine causes cancer, How about addressing what nicotine has been shown to do?
Nicotine is addictive as heroin.
Self-administration studies with animals are much more extensive and have also been reviewed in detail elsewhere. In brief, drug self-administration studies in animals in the 1960s showed that a range of drugs including opioids, amphetamines, barbiturates, certain organic solvents, alcohol, cocaine, and nicotine were self-administered. All of these drugs were found to maintain powerful chains of drug-seeking behavior, even when insufficient drug was taken to produce a clinically significant degree of physical dependence. Drugs that did not serve as reinforcers in these studies included caffeine [emphasis added, citations deleted]
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/nicotine-not-caffeine
Nicotine is one of the most toxic of all poisons. It can rewire the brain, particularly vulnerable in the developing years, from adolescence to mid-twenties. ... Nicotine changes the teen brain and affects attention, learning, and memory.
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Modern devices can have up to 6x the nicotine concentration of first generation e-cigs, putting kids at risk of not only a nicotine addiction, but substance addiction of all kinds.
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/while-fda-dithers-california-continues-take-e-cigs-head-nicotine-brain-poison
Many teens think that using e-cigarettes is safer, however, they still contain high levels of nicotine. The brand JUUL packs perhaps the most potent dose: one pod contains roughly 20 cigarettes worth of nicotine and the product claims to deliver the addictive substance nearly three times faster than other e-cigarettes.
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Nicotine is extremely addictive and, when used regularly, your body and mind learn to expect a certain amount of nicotine each dayand if it doesn't get it, withdrawal can be intense. You can quickly build a tolerance to nicotine, needing more to reach the desired effect. This is one reason why it's so hard (but not impossible) to quit smoking.
https://www.verywellmind.com/nicotine-addiction-101-2825018
Sure, if you're ALREADY addicted to nicotine from smoking, and you're over 25, it probably makes sense to switch to vaping if you can't kick the nicotine addition. It certainly smells better and you're not inhaling all that tar and other chemicals from burning cigarettes. But you're still inhaling a highly addictive poison. This OP is about one of the dangers of vaping, which landed 22 young people in the hospital. It is not a "lot of nothing" if you care about kids.
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22 people have been hospitalized with vaping-linked breathing problems. [View all]
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
OP
Might it be because they enjoy pleasant-tasting alcoholic beverages, but don't enjoy nicotine?
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#30
Yes there is scientific evidence of just how dangerous vaping is. It's called popcorn lung
Thekaspervote
Aug 2019
#89
Yes, specifically linked to acetals ... I've discussed above. Flavorings producing acetals are no
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#100
Guess the doc was wrong-I smoke,have a good quality life,and will be 85 next week. Genes matter.
virgogal
Aug 2019
#58
The kids buy them by choice......and in spite of what caring parents tell them.
virgogal
Aug 2019
#27
There's no evidence of anything you're saying ... the ONE person who we know where they got their
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#83
Fair enough ... but what do most people think of when they read 'pediatric'?
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#24
Opioids are the most addictive thing there is, but guess what? THEY'RE NOT POISONOUS.
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#81
Please be serious. Bubblegum flavor is clearly a ploy to entice kids/teens. nt
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#59
I was not even a bit interested in 'bubblegum' anymore once I hit about 12 years old ...
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#78
Puritanism has prevailed for decades in America's approach to addiction treatment so that the goal
emmaverybo
Aug 2019
#84
"Instinct" or otherwise makes no difference, and vaping isn't harmless, just way, way, less harmful
coti
Aug 2019
#68
It sounds like you're saying reducing deaths caused by smoking by 50% would be insignificant
coti
Aug 2019
#106
Did your doctor actually say it's "safe"? I imagine if you're already addicted to nicotine...
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#44
Nicotine is harmful. Vaping definitely hurts kids by getting them hooked on nicotine.
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#55
OFFS, I don't hate current or former smokers. I just don't want vaping poisoning our kids.
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#77
Most states allow sales to teens. Vaping risks to those under 25 are not well known.
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#97
No, not "like caffeine." Nicotine damages teen brains and is addictive as heroin, unlike caffeine.
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#74
Your desire to villify nicotine itself, as opposed to tobacco, is misguided to say the least
coti
Aug 2019
#105
I think it's coming from fake carts. Most likely fake weed carts. Reputable ejuice is tested etc.
UniteFightBack
Aug 2019
#62
He gets knocked down ... but he get up again ... no they never gonna keep him down 🎶 nt
mr_lebowski
Aug 2019
#29
Of course cigs are more harmful, especially in the long run. That's not the point.
SunSeeker
Aug 2019
#114