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SunSeeker

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87. No one is trying to stop you from vaping.

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:05 AM

Aug 2019

I did not say my son was your responsibility. I am criticizing vaping manufacturers, not people who vape. No one is arguing vaping should not be marketed to older smokers who are already addicted to nicotine. This is about getting the word out about the dangers of vaping to teens and young people. Maybe you don't care about our kids getting poisoned by vaping, but I and a lot of other folks do.

I'm not wrong about the craven marketing aimed at kids. Its not "just in my head." A team of researchers studied Juul’s marketing campaign between the product's launch in 2015 and fall 2018. They looked at thousands of Instagram posts, emails, and ads, and concluded Juul’s marketing “was patently youth-oriented.”
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette-marketing

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22 people have been hospitalized with vaping-linked breathing problems. [View all] SunSeeker Aug 2019 OP

Very unlike the healthful smoke that smoldering tobacco emanates lol ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #1

Kids are inhaling this shit, and we don't know what's in it. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #2

Good response! pandr32 Aug 2019 #6

First off ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #10

Here's a link for ya... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #11

You are contradicting your original point ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #15

Funny how these folks don't freak out about flavored alcoholic beverages Mariana Aug 2019 #28

Might it be because they enjoy pleasant-tasting alcoholic beverages, but don't enjoy nicotine? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #30

Might it be that as bad as alcohol can be PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #33

And what percent of people who vape die from the effects of vaping? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #40

We don't know yet, because vaping has PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #47

Yes there is scientific evidence of just how dangerous vaping is. It's called popcorn lung Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #89

Scientific evidence: Mariana Aug 2019 #96

Yes, specifically linked to acetals ... I've discussed above. Flavorings producing acetals are no mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #100

Smoking and vaping are very different things. Mariana Aug 2019 #41

What's dishonest is to try to pretend that vaping PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #49

No one has said that vaping is completely benign. Mariana Aug 2019 #56

And sometimes the thing blows up in the vaper's face. NT raccoon Aug 2019 #63

But we DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY VAPED, PO. mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #86

And what do non smokers die from,non-smoking? virgogal Aug 2019 #46

All kinds of wonderful things. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #48

Guess the doc was wrong-I smoke,have a good quality life,and will be 85 next week. Genes matter. virgogal Aug 2019 #58

You do understand how phenomenally lucky you are? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #61

The kids buy them by choice......and in spite of what caring parents tell them. virgogal Aug 2019 #27

And so do the vast majority of adults (buy them) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #35

are you freakin serious? Locrian Aug 2019 #53

They didn't much choice of ingredients did they now? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #54

oh ffs.... Locrian Aug 2019 #104

You really think I don't know all that? Me? FFS ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #108

Thank you. Nt raccoon Aug 2019 #65

This is why the flavors SoCalNative Aug 2019 #34

There's no evidence of anything you're saying ... the ONE person who we know where they got their mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #83

Pediatric doctors treat up to age 18. colorado_ufo Aug 2019 #3

Actually, to age 21, according to my Ilsa Aug 2019 #5

Fair enough ... but what do most people think of when they read 'pediatric'? mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #24

+1000 emmaverybo Aug 2019 #75

Vaping IS poisoning our kids. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #79

Opioids are the most addictive thing there is, but guess what? THEY'RE NOT POISONOUS. mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #81

If you're "taking HARD CORE opioids," I suggest you go to bed. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #88

Way to avoid my points again, SS ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #99

+1000 nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #7

Do you think vaping is safe? SunSeeker Aug 2019 #8

I think it's very risky to buy vape fluid or cartridges off the street Mariana Aug 2019 #9

How about answering my question? SunSeeker Aug 2019 #12

It isn't a particularly useful or informative question. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #13

You're inhaling NICOTINE and "shit," as you acknowledge. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #14

No one here is suggesting it should be marketed to children. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #20

Please show us an ad which shows vaping being marketed to kids. Mariana Aug 2019 #21

Here's a link for ya... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #43

So, you object to the names of the flavors? nt? Mariana Aug 2019 #57

Please be serious. Bubblegum flavor is clearly a ploy to entice kids/teens. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #59

I was not even a bit interested in 'bubblegum' anymore once I hit about 12 years old ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #78

This isn't about you. This is about our kids. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #80

Oh, it absolutely IS about me. I'd be smoking if it weren't for vaping. mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #82

No one is trying to stop you from vaping. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #87

Do people HAVE TO either smoke or vape? nt raccoon Aug 2019 #16

No. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #19

Same calculus we make with Subs/Buprenorphine and/or Methadone ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #26

Puritanism has prevailed for decades in America's approach to addiction treatment so that the goal emmaverybo Aug 2019 #84

Agree w/everything you've said :) (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #85

The article in the OP doesn't even claim that vaping caused the illnesses. Mariana Aug 2019 #98

Do teenagers HAVE to have sex? coti Aug 2019 #36

For what it's worth, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #51

Indeed, they are also smoking cigarettes a lot less. coti Aug 2019 #67

Sex is an instinct. Smoking/vaping isn't. raccoon Aug 2019 #64

"Instinct" or otherwise makes no difference, and vaping isn't harmless, just way, way, less harmful coti Aug 2019 #68

We don't really know that vaping is way, way less harmful PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #70

It sounds like you're saying reducing deaths caused by smoking by 50% would be insignificant coti Aug 2019 #106

No-I think they are about extremists... flotsam Aug 2019 #31

I think it is safe. So do each of my doctors. LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #32

It is clearly much, much safer than tobacco. coti Aug 2019 #39

Did your doctor actually say it's "safe"? I imagine if you're already addicted to nicotine... SunSeeker Aug 2019 #44

"It won't hurt you" LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #50

Nicotine is harmful. Vaping definitely hurts kids by getting them hooked on nicotine. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #55

I'll take the advice of my doctors. You know, the entire life of a person LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #60

Some people hate smokers - and former smokers, too. Mariana Aug 2019 #72

OFFS, I don't hate current or former smokers. I just don't want vaping poisoning our kids. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #77

Selling vaping products to children is already illegal under federal law. Mariana Aug 2019 #95

Most states allow sales to teens. Vaping risks to those under 25 are not well known. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #97

Be informed! Vaping is harmful Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #90

I am quite informed. My flavors contain no diacetyl. LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #91

Nicotine is just a stimulant, like caffeine. nt coti Aug 2019 #66

No, not "like caffeine." Nicotine damages teen brains and is addictive as heroin, unlike caffeine. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #74

Your desire to villify nicotine itself, as opposed to tobacco, is misguided to say the least coti Aug 2019 #105

I'm not trying to "vilify" nicotine. I am stating facts. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #111

Can You Cite A Study... jayfish Aug 2019 #101

I already did, upthread. There's the Surgeon General reports, like these: SunSeeker Aug 2019 #112

I think it's coming from fake carts. Most likely fake weed carts. Reputable ejuice is tested etc. UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #62

They were also vaping illegal THC, cut with who knows what off of the streets JCMach1 Aug 2019 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #4

Smoking ANYTHING is not safe, but do take these reports with strong caution JCMach1 Aug 2019 #17

This report doesn't actually provide much in the way of facts. Mariana Aug 2019 #25

You need to get this flotsam Aug 2019 #45

+1 LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #52

Yes there are dangerous compounds in them. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #92

Not if you procure quality flavorings with no diacetyl. LuckyCharms Aug 2019 #93

There has never been a case of popcorn lung caused by vaping flotsam Aug 2019 #94

Also,... jayfish Aug 2019 #103

For info: Willie Nelson is back on the road again. lpbk2713 Aug 2019 #22

He gets knocked down ... but he get up again ... no they never gonna keep him down 🎶 nt mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #29

If you are going to vape.... SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #23

Exactly SoCalNative Aug 2019 #37

Don't buy it anywhere Johnny2X2X Aug 2019 #38

Let me add. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #42

Took a class, guy said basically ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #69

sounds like... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #71

In the case of the young man in the story, that might well be true. Mariana Aug 2019 #73

Lungs work best with clean air. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #76

And Where Might That Be? jayfish Aug 2019 #102

a scarce commodity Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2019 #107

So...Should we encourage kids to switch from vaping to cigarettes? fescuerescue Aug 2019 #109

So...No. Maybe kids should do neither. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #110

Obviously they shouldn't fescuerescue Aug 2019 #113

Of course cigs are more harmful, especially in the long run. That's not the point. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #114