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57. Marshall Plan and other programs like it were necessary, but

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:44 AM

Aug 2019

what they resulted in, was US taxpayers subsidizing the building of fixed capital infrastructure in our former opponents' nations, which could compete very favorably against our pre-wwII plants' technology. The big money creeps in this country were the nominal 'investors' in those foreign industries, which is why US steel production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean steel, and US auto production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean auto industries. Same for manufacturing, textiles, widget factories, etc.

US industrial owners regarded the US unions as getting too sassy for their own good, so they forced the taxpaying union members to subsidize the foreign competition, then started shutting down our 'losing' domestic industries' production. We could get jobs joining the military to occupy our former 'enemies' instead, though. Which just helped make sure there was no job for us back in the US after we completed military service.

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It's becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry-Updated w-Do's & Don'ts [View all] kpete Aug 2019 OP

And the supporters among them will still vote for him Roland99 Aug 2019 #1

"They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day." How can this tblue37 Aug 2019 #2

Because it's not illegal. fescuerescue Aug 2019 #28

As with the balance of your post Cartaphelius Aug 2019 #31

According to the twitter feed fescuerescue Aug 2019 #35

The guidelines say it's an excused absence, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #32

We don't get paid if we don't work. In any trade. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #36

it looks to me like they maybe got overtime pay for attending? anarch Aug 2019 #58

That's an illicit campaign contribution C_U_L8R Aug 2019 #3

BINGO. That's how this must be addressed, as a legal matter. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #11

Nevermind the obvious Clarity2 Aug 2019 #4

+1 I agree and have no judgement . They also could be singled out later by managers if they lunasun Aug 2019 #5

Its almost become like Russia Clarity2 Aug 2019 #7

And they get offended True Blue American Aug 2019 #64

Which reminds me Clarity2 Aug 2019 #66

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #12

It was noticeable how unenthusiastic they were renate Aug 2019 #20

So instead of paying people to attend his BS rallies, Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2019 #6

What plant is this? Ilsa Aug 2019 #8

Looks like it was western PA NotASurfer Aug 2019 #10

They were union workers and the union put out an information sheet DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #18

Shell plastics plant (still under construction, hence the safety vests) hatrack Aug 2019 #15

Shell ethane cracker plant near Monaca, Pa DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #17

No lunch provided. Can't bring one. Have to stand motionless for hours. Girard442 Aug 2019 #9

K&R, "... those who are NOT in attendance will not receive overtime on Friday" uponit7771 Aug 2019 #13

The whole thing was purposeful. Shows that he'll come into Labor territory, Mc Mike Aug 2019 #14

So, they have to go if they want to get paid Bettie Aug 2019 #16

Why would the union agree to this? Hotler Aug 2019 #19

Major arm-twisting, and a last shred of hope that Trump will not go ballistic & punish them Hekate Aug 2019 #25

Contract negotiations? xmas74 Aug 2019 #50

My husband is union Bluesaph Aug 2019 #21

Voting against True Blue American Aug 2019 #29

Looks like a lot of trouble just to watch a jackass braying. ooky Aug 2019 #22

LOL! Good one! n/t PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #23

That's how I thought it would be, only worse. Stand for hours? No lunch? Hekate Aug 2019 #24

I hope if they pass they will still get paid. Doreen Aug 2019 #33

It's a huge site, they were bussed to the location prepped for twitler. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #37

I'd stay home then file grievance for pay TEB Aug 2019 #26

I'm surprised that Union agreed to do this. fescuerescue Aug 2019 #27

Weak Unions, they cave. True Blue American Aug 2019 #30

IBEW 712, who's jurisdiction this is for electricians, is a tough union. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #38

As a life long supporter of Unions True Blue American Aug 2019 #39

There are some people in leadership positions who shouldn't be, Mc Mike Aug 2019 #40

I know that. True Blue American Aug 2019 #42

We definitely have too many dummies who think they're in the ownership class. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #44

Whining about paying Union dues. True Blue American Aug 2019 #45

Some of the CIO trades are more young and hungry, eye of the tiger types. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #46

Now, but they hurt the Unions over the years and Politicians used every trick they had True Blue American Aug 2019 #47

Maybe a miscommunication here. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #48

I was talking True Blue American Aug 2019 #49

It's been all give backs and concessions in labor-management negotiations, since the raygun '80s. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #52

Controllers Union! True Blue American Aug 2019 #53

Sen. Brown is great. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #55

You hit the nail True Blue American Aug 2019 #56

Marshall Plan and other programs like it were necessary, but Mc Mike Aug 2019 #57

Again 100%! True Blue American Aug 2019 #60

Funny how the ownership class here always demagogues and points to the 'evil foreigner' Mc Mike Aug 2019 #61

Trump has been counting True Blue American Aug 2019 #62

The dirtbag populist hard far right, with Buchanan, Perot, and tRumpf, Mc Mike Aug 2019 #63

I'm with you all the way, on the rest of the substance of your post. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #41

Unfortunately some unions are in bed with those Doreen Aug 2019 #34

That is a Republican talking point. True Blue American Aug 2019 #43

If the company is paying the workers to attend this rally, Sanity Claws Aug 2019 #51

Yes, should be. True Blue American Aug 2019 #54

basically, yes anarch Aug 2019 #59

Wasn't there a similar incident at a coal mine in this area? spinbaby Aug 2019 #65