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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:15 PM Aug 2012

The US police state, the "best" in the world [View all]

"There’s no getting around the fact that the United States is the Mother of All Police States. China can’t compete in the incarceration business. With four times the U.S. population, it imprisons only 70 percent as many people – about the same number as the non-white prison population of the U.S. Even worse, 80,000 U.S. inmates undergo the torture of solitary confinement on any given day.

When U.S. corporate media operatives use the term “police state,” they invariably mean some other country. Even the so-called “liberal” media, from Democracy Now! to the MSNBC menagerie, cannot bring themselves to say “police state” and the “United States” without putting the qualifying words “like” or “becoming” in the middle. The U.S. is behaving “like” a police state, they say, or the U.S. is in danger of “becoming” a police state. But it is never a police state. Since these privileged speakers and writers are not themselves in prison – because what they write and say represents no actual danger to the state – they conclude that a U.S. police state does not, at this time, exist.

Considering the sheer size and social penetration of its police and imprisonment apparatus, the United States is not only a police state, but the biggest police state in the world, by far: the police state against whose dimensions all other police systems on Earth must be measured.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/08/31-5

The sad part is that it continues to get worse and worse, yet the people of this country do nothing. They yawn, turn on American Idol, and opine that "hey, if you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about."

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I could probably make a case the China is more of a police state... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #1
The US has one quarter of the population that China does, MadHound Aug 2012 #2
MadHound... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #3
Thank you kindly for being part of the problem, not part of the solution MadHound Aug 2012 #6
MadHound... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #8
You are basing this all on your own experience, MadHound Aug 2012 #11
sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #14
I'm trying to point out some hard truths to you, MadHound Aug 2012 #21
Think you got through on that? lonestarnot Aug 2012 #36
As the burden of proof is on the accuser, the onus a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #43
In other words no, you can disprove the notion that we're in a police state. n/t MadHound Sep 2012 #62
In the United States a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #72
I'm looking for some evidence from you, MadHound Sep 2012 #78
could you show these FACTS again a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #88
Are you having an Eastwood moment? MadHound Sep 2012 #124
Well, Bob the geek, if you can't see the US is a police state then you are part of the problem! LibertyLass Sep 2012 #337
ROFLMAO RegieRocker Sep 2012 #133
sure sounds like it. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #142
Actually I've linked to a couple of articles, MadHound Sep 2012 #144
Again, kid... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #148
You are just full of Eastwood moments aren't you, MadHound Sep 2012 #150
yup, kind of what I figured... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #154
Let me ask you this, when people point out other problems, MadHound Sep 2012 #163
There's proof galore for those... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #169
as you've been going on about the police state... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #339
Oh, I'm Libertarian Baby! LibertyLass Sep 2012 #338
You are definitely confused.... RegieRocker Sep 2012 #157
so... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #164
You keep going on about two things, MadHound Sep 2012 #176
Didn't I say IF? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #179
Mob rule is what you have now RegieRocker Sep 2012 #223
okay then a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #224
More worthless air RegieRocker Sep 2012 #227
Any study worth its salt a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #230
Well there have been I think 139 people freed from sorefeet Sep 2012 #295
when you get tired of putting words in my mouth, a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #51
Well, your excerpt describes this country today. I don't think it's helping your point: sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #58
Thank you, you're making my case. MadHound Sep 2012 #63
well, you know, if there are uninsured motorists, then it's ok to stop everybody in hopes of HiPointDem Sep 2012 #60
+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2012 #101
Yep RegieRocker Sep 2012 #134
++ nt justabob Sep 2012 #184
Here's today's latest outrage, MadHound Aug 2012 #23
In a country of 300,000,000, shit happens. That's no great consolation, I know. randome Aug 2012 #31
Sorry, but I consider excessive police violence to go hand in hand with a police state MadHound Aug 2012 #32
And the greater evidence is the gathering of police in riot gear for gtar100 Sep 2012 #54
No disrespect meant a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #91
LOL, since when are you dealing with facts in this thread? MadHound Sep 2012 #125
No it doesn't. This kind of regular police brutality DOES NOT happen in 'every country in the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #59
Thank you a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #90
yup a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #47
So you're OK with having the largest number of security cameras in the world, MadHound Sep 2012 #61
Nice a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #71
What about privacy in private? MadHound Sep 2012 #77
sigh... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #86
On the other hand, geeky one... randome Sep 2012 #87
I really have to get caught up in my Dr. Who watching. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #93
Jellybabies are so Tom Baker these days. randome Sep 2012 #94
It dates me immediately... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #96
Umm, who said anything about leaving a window open, MadHound Sep 2012 #126
Dude.. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #136
Oh, I'm not angry at you, I'm laughing at you, MadHound Sep 2012 #141
good to know you can laugh at yourself... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #145
Again, thanks for proving my point, MadHound Sep 2012 #147
when you make a point, feel free to post it a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #153
You really are hung up on the notion that somehow I'm a communist MadHound Sep 2012 #161
okay then a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #167
I'm simply pointing out the problem, MadHound Sep 2012 #180
right... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #182
First of all, fill me in, MadHound Sep 2012 #187
THe Frankfurt ISR <spits on ground> a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #194
Well, despite your vague accusations, MadHound Sep 2012 #199
The socratic method a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #206
Doesn't mean that it isn't a valid method of discussing issues MadHound Sep 2012 #208
Rather authoritarian? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #221
Where are my manners??? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #222
Well lucky you, that you have not had your place tossed. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #186
Really? Bonobo Sep 2012 #321
really? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #324
Why do you have to take all those precautions in a democracy to prevent your government sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #24
+1 We shouldn't have anything to hide or anything to fear, but the .gov doesn't need to be peeping rDigital Aug 2012 #40
You seem to deal in shoulds a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #48
About the only thing you deal with, as shown in post after post in this thread, MadHound Sep 2012 #64
MadHound... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #73
I've provided plenty of proof up and down this thread, MadHound Sep 2012 #79
gee... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #92
I guess you missed the OP, MadHound Sep 2012 #127
Okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #139
Ah, so that's why you're touchy about this, MadHound Sep 2012 #143
okay a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #149
Well I'm happy for you, you take care of what you own, MadHound Sep 2012 #152
actually... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #156
You know, I find that having a good memory saves tool loss. MadHound Sep 2012 #168
My tools are in a garage... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #172
Well, has that ever happened? MadHound Sep 2012 #183
it'll give the cops a face to look for... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #192
Wow, you start off right in the deep end. MadHound Sep 2012 #196
MadHound, as there's no way I'd give personal info... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #204
And what did your family say? MadHound Sep 2012 #207
Sorry for the pause a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #219
Psst, thermographs are so 2000, MadHound Sep 2012 #146
Your number 2 is a steaming heaping pile Blecht Sep 2012 #82
Except for the pepper spray, a 'police state' exists when protesters are pushed onto the sidewalk? randome Sep 2012 #83
also, a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #97
You're already proven that, I think. randome Sep 2012 #98
The paper is done! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #100
ah... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #89
If you want a real police state daeron Sep 2012 #138
daeron a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #151
China executions Navl Sep 2012 #322
are you actually going a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #325
I'm thinking you missed the point Navl Sep 2012 #334
then what's the point of bringing them up? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #335
What? Navl Sep 2012 #336
one word Tiananmen loli phabay Aug 2012 #4
I forgot to add... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #5
Well, given the various IR and other technology can see right through walls, everything n/t MadHound Aug 2012 #7
Good statistics for China may not be available: the country may execute 8000/yr struggle4progress Aug 2012 #27
Working with the best stats we've got, MadHound Aug 2012 #28
Comparisons can't be meaningful without comparable data gathering struggle4progress Aug 2012 #37
Umm, we are talking people incarcerated here, MadHound Sep 2012 #65
I thought we were talking about police states. If you included the various forms of "administrative struggle4progress Sep 2012 #67
Incarceration rates are but one symptom of the problem, MadHound Sep 2012 #68
Are those security cameras out in public? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #95
Ooo, hey, look at the old dude trying to be cool using that hip new slang MadHound Sep 2012 #128
wow a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #159
You're making that leap again, MadHound Sep 2012 #173
you're free to be a socialist a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #175
by the way... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #177
And please, point out anywhere I said I was interested in some sort of "takeover" bid? MadHound Sep 2012 #185
If all you're going to do a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #226
I've gone to a number of protests in the last decade hfojvt Aug 2012 #38
That's nice, that's your experience, MadHound Sep 2012 #129
hfojvt... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #174
You're perfectly safe so long as your political activities are innocuous and ineffective. hunter Aug 2012 #33
Which is a strange set of affairs considering the availability of the Internet. randome Aug 2012 #39
ACT UP? Not Gonna Play in Sun City? The Days of Rage? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #50
There was blood in those stories. hunter Sep 2012 #111
Really? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #113
Two things the United States manufactures best: war and criminals. Initech Aug 2012 #9
Lately we've excelled at putting the two together. lastlib Aug 2012 #13
IR is easy to stop a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #10
Again, in what is supposed to be the freest country of the world, MadHound Aug 2012 #12
The constitution also states a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #15
What does that have to do with the police now being able to look right into your home? MadHound Aug 2012 #22
I think you're being trolled, friend. rDigital Aug 2012 #42
sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #49
Better question yet, why aren't we allowed to do something about it. MadHound Sep 2012 #66
holy cow... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #74
How about those links I posted, MadHound Sep 2012 #80
But in a police state, you would be forbidden from doing that. randome Aug 2012 #16
As the US doesn't restrict the sale of tin foil a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #17
Also... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #18
In a police state where people have reached the point of acceptance, as it appears some people sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #25
Or some of us read a book. randome Aug 2012 #26
It looks like, from the comments here, that some of us have reached the stage others who sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #30
Part of it is because we lock up people for stupid things davidn3600 Aug 2012 #19
I saw a web page a while back a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #20
The far right is losing power. randome Aug 2012 #29
Hell yeah , end the 'War on Drugs', legalize most of it and tax it to pay for mental health care. rDigital Aug 2012 #44
I agree but... defacto7 Sep 2012 #52
The real reason is the For Profit Prison Industry. Locking people for stupid stuff is deliberate. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #34
+1 liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #45
+2 nt Live and Learn Sep 2012 #57
Yep, it's real. porphyrian Sep 2012 #81
30 million security cameras, and more coming online all the time. MadHound Aug 2012 #35
To be fair rDigital Aug 2012 #46
I have no problem with cameras. They catch the police abuse also. Logical Sep 2012 #99
Same here. randome Sep 2012 #104
I agree. It is not far off I bet. Cops are out of control. Logical Sep 2012 #107
It's not a matter of catching the police abuse, MadHound Sep 2012 #130
So what is your solution? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #243
+1: blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #41
Some guy jacked a police car that was parked idling today in LA. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2012 #53
a couple of years ago, I would have thought this was crazy stuff.... defacto7 Sep 2012 #55
Welcome to DU Hydra Sep 2012 #115
Whew... thanks. I'm not seeing things. defacto7 Sep 2012 #116
No, unfortunately you're not Hydra Sep 2012 #118
Recommend. Every Occupier has seen it first hand, and knows this is true. Zorra Sep 2012 #56
Nonsense a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #75
That's just...so very wrong.. FACTS: 7,396 Occupiers arrested since Sept 2011. Zorra Sep 2012 #102
As far as the arrests are concerned, isn't that part of protesting in general? randome Sep 2012 #105
also... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #109
Dunno. How many would you estimate? nt Zorra Sep 2012 #252
I really don't know a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #253
No. Generally, nobody wants to be arrested. It is an emotionally, physically, and often financially Zorra Sep 2012 #110
Thank you for posting some liks a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #106
ARGH... thanks. Zalatix Sep 2012 #140
Example of "unbelieveable amount of force used by the police" please? nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #158
Oh, somewhere in this thread is a link I posted, MadHound Sep 2012 #170
That's a rogue cop... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #181
How many rogue cops does it take to make a police state? MadHound Sep 2012 #190
oh THIS should prove to be fun! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #198
Let's see here then, MadHound Sep 2012 #202
Definition? RegieRocker Sep 2012 #233
SO... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #234
Are you really fully there? RegieRocker Sep 2012 #245
sigh a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #248
Still nothing RegieRocker Sep 2012 #263
Lots of yummy ad hominems... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #266
As usual still nothing RegieRocker Sep 2012 #273
okay then, chuckles... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #275
Cop was wrong, but Skip Intro Sep 2012 #188
Innocent of her crime or not, she paid the ultimate price, MadHound Sep 2012 #191
It is sad. But not a common thing. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #200
Except it isn't just one or two, but rather one or two a week. MadHound Sep 2012 #203
I don't buy that for a minute. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #209
Agreed... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #232
(Warning: Pic heavy, graphic violence) See, MH? We get asked to post examples, we post them, Zorra Sep 2012 #255
All pigs like these and all RegieRocker Sep 2012 #265
a "police state" does not mean more people are in jail treestar Sep 2012 #69
Due process, hah! MadHound Sep 2012 #70
You have right to counsel. If the cops violated the 4th or 5th amendment treestar Sep 2012 #123
Again, I'm asking your opinion on camera proliferation MadHound Sep 2012 #131
Ask Gov. Don Siegelman how he's doing. Octafish Sep 2012 #76
Don Siegelman? hunter Sep 2012 #132
Yes. Thank you. This phone changes the words I type. Octafish Sep 2012 #205
Police State is upon us bernie1 Sep 2012 #84
Welcome to DU! Hydra Sep 2012 #117
Yet this issue is utterly absent from media and political campaigns. woo me with science Sep 2012 #85
The fact that there isn't much pushback suggests we've already gone beyond the event horizen Hydra Sep 2012 #120
True it is the best in the world, no one else comes close imo. Rex Sep 2012 #103
My wife just came up with one... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #108
formalized by the PATRIOT act... KG Sep 2012 #112
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Police state. webbduckfoot Sep 2012 #114
no a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #121
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What does the author suggest we do about the growing police state? lunatica Sep 2012 #119
The paradox established by the level of agreement with pipoman Sep 2012 #122
Most of China's potential prisoners don't even make it to prison. Zalatix Sep 2012 #137
Criminals belong in jail. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #155
And Flamebaiters belong in Purgatory. nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #162
He who would trade liberty for security deserves neither, MadHound Sep 2012 #165
Familiar with the quote. Doesn't mean laws are bad. nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #211
The context of this is everything, pipoman Sep 2012 #239
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Every person (or at least the vast, vast majority) pipoman Sep 2012 #195
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The fantasy world pipoman Sep 2012 #238
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LOL..Don't worry, other people hereabouts can actually pipoman Sep 2012 #298
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Pig lovers RegieRocker Sep 2012 #268
Yes... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #270
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so... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #307
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Have a link to a credible source for that? pipoman Sep 2012 #197
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Except pipoman Sep 2012 #231
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LOL pipoman Sep 2012 #235
Total bullshit RZM Sep 2012 #201
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Your link doesn't support your argument here RZM Sep 2012 #229
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This post disproves your original point SpartanDem Sep 2012 #254
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Yep. nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #330
Those Dirty Fucking Hippies we were warned us about. 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #212
agreed a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #237
Why are Americans such criminals? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #327
We've certainly come a long way from when kids played "cops & robbers" 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #160
Anti moronic cure RegieRocker Sep 2012 #178
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Move along! Nothing to see here ... nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #213
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