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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
31. But we are accomplishing our goals. You are either deliberately failing to recognize
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 05:23 PM
Jan 2012

this fact, or you are ignorant of the facts.

Please allow me to enlighten you, assuming that the latter is the case.

No offense intended, but the way we go about effectively achieving goals may be outside the box of the processes that form your ability to conceptualize. We are doing it a different way, and apparently you don't understand how this way can be effective, because it's not the way that you are familiar with.

Step 1 in the process of solving the problem that you mentioned, "we want money out of politics" is raising awareness of the problem so that enough people can become aware of the problem and want to join together in order to solve the problem. We are being tangibly very successful so far. We have widely distributed awareness of the problem of corporate personhood into the national dialogue/consciousness in a mere 3 1/2 months. It is difficult to understand how you can't see and understand this. This is not Burger King. We can't give it to you right now, and we can't give it to you your way.

The Occupy Movement is addressing our primary concern by repeatedly successfully attacking the disease that has infected the root of the tree of democracy. If you don't like the Movement, and choose to ignore the facts, there is no way I will ever be able to get you to acknowledge reality as it pertains to the Occupy Movement.

For example, conservatives choose to view Obama as a socialist. Because they want to, not because it is true in fact.

Anyway, below is a small collection of some examples of the progression of events that outlines the effectiveness of our process.

I'll begin with the original declaration of Occupy Wall Street, and end with a news story published today:

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.


http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/

Seattle City Council backs Occupy Seattle

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/11/14/seattle-city-council-backs-occupy-seattle/

L.A. and Occupy L.A. Agree: It’s Time to End Corporate Personhood

On December 3, just two days before Occupy L.A. was evicted by police, the General Assembly of the occupation passed a unanimous resolution calling for a constitutional amendment to end corporate personhood.

Today, the City Council of Los Angeles also voted, also unanimously, for a resolution making the same appeal.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/brooke-jarvis/la-and-occupy-la-agree-its-time-to-end-corporate-personhood

Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 09:15 AM PST
We lobbied Congress IN PERSON to support Sen. Sanders Constitutional Amendment. This is our story

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1043951/-We-lobbied-Congress-IN-PERSON-to-support-Sen-Sanders-Constitutional-Amendment-This-is-our-story

Bernie Sanders Introduces OCCUPIED Constitutional Amendment To Ban Corporate Money In Politics

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/12/08/385511/bernie-sanders-introduces-occupied-constitutional-amendment-to-ban-corporate-money-in-politics/

Can Occupy Overturn Citizens United? "Dear 99%ers..."

Nothing could enhance American democracy more than if Occupy Wall Street helped enact the 28th Constitutional Amendment to end the pretense that corporations are people who speak with money. The 99% can stop the privatization of governmen

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-green/can-occupy-overturn-citiz_b_1148032.html

Occupy Billings MT is a group of local citizens who are concerned with how corporate money and influence in politics does not make an effective democracy and does not represent people’s needs. Occupy Billings Montana was also developed in lieu of the Occupy Wall Street Movement, and is not only protesting and meeting in solidarity with groups nation-wide, but also vocalising that big business in politics affects Montana and rural communties as well as big cities.

We are from all generations, the whole political spectrum (republicans, democrats, libertarians, socialists,etc.), various ethic backgrounds, various religious and spiritual beliefs, and are all involved in various types of work.

http://occupybillingsmt.org/who-we-are/

Montana’s Supreme Court holds that Montana’s Constitution bars corporate spending…
Posted on December 31, 2011

http://www.occupywallstinfo.com/tag/elections/

Published on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 by CommonDreams.org
States Take On Citizens United
Montana legal ruling a possible game-changer for states; California lawmakers introduce legislation to overturn Citizens United

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/04-0

Citizens United Backlash Grows from Cali. to NYC Urging Congress to Overturn Corporate Personhood
Thursday 5 January 2012
by: Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, Democracy NOW! | Report

http://www.truth-out.org/citizens-united-backlash-grows-cali-nyc-urging-congress-overturn-corporate-personhood/1325794067

There are, of course, many, many, more examples that illustrate indisputable fact that the Occupy Movement has had a profound effect on the nation in only 3 1/2 months.

To suggest anything else would be totally obtuse.







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For me Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #1
Why are you saying 'they', not 'we'? peacetalksforall Jan 2012 #18
I've protested with OWS Zalatix Jan 2012 #21
John Edwards talked about the 99%, Two Americas, before there was an OWS. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #64
A true 'people's movement' should number in the hundreds of thousands by now. randome Jan 2012 #22
OWS clearly numbers in the hundreds of thousands... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #39
When they are actively marching or act like they have a goal, I am supportive. randome Jan 2012 #42
Well, I plan on writing a very harshly worded letter to my congressman! zappaman Jan 2012 #44
About as effective as living in a tent in a park. randome Jan 2012 #45
That would be a great thing! zappaman Jan 2012 #48
Any day now. Any day... randome Jan 2012 #51
I'm a little disappointed there are only 2 new threads today telling everyone how important OWS zappaman Jan 2012 #52
Have to admit I'm not feeling the vibe much any more. randome Jan 2012 #54
Thank you for your thoughtful response Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #36
But we are accomplishing our goals. You are either deliberately failing to recognize Zorra Jan 2012 #31
Jesus H Christ on a platter! randome Jan 2012 #33
LOL! Duh. Like the Declaration of Independence didn't change the world? Zorra Jan 2012 #37
So now OWS is as important as the founders of our country? randome Jan 2012 #38
More of the same repetitive strawman nonsense and deliberate obtuseness. Zorra Jan 2012 #53
Huh? randome Jan 2012 #56
Just a reminder that when when the Founders, ashling Jan 2012 #66
You are being hit with a deliberate attack tactic... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #43
Those weren't accomplishments. They were 'statements' and philosophical intentions. randome Jan 2012 #50
Or maybe that OWS actively presented its views on Corporate Personhood ashling Jan 2012 #67
Thanks. I know. And it is done very poorly. Zorra Jan 2012 #55
it was a wonderful response. barbtries Jan 2012 #62
Thanks! Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #41
LOL. Perfect! bvar22 Jan 2012 #49
This is not the first time Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #46
Well, then I'm out of possible logical explanations for Zorra Jan 2012 #57
Pat Robertson having conversations with God Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #58
"chirp...chirp... Zorra Jan 2012 #2
working in a social services office Puzzledtraveller Jan 2012 #3
Thank you for being a social worker. You are one of the most important Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #23
Firewalkwithme speaks for me, too. Thanks! Zalatix Jan 2012 #34
A lot of those who marched in the Occupy the Rose Bowl Parade are now or JDPriestly Jan 2012 #35
Indeed, the Teabaggers have ruined their own cause, but hey they don't care Zalatix Jan 2012 #60
I wouldn't use the word "ineffective" SixthSense Jan 2012 #4
All good suggestions. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #13
Especially that last one, IMO. randome Jan 2012 #14
thanks SixthSense Jan 2012 #30
Great suggestions. And #Occupy Congress begins January 17th. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #24
Flash mobs rock. n/t Zalatix Jan 2012 #61
Why do the two have to be connected? RZM Jan 2012 #5
I think the only thing ANY of us want to see... randome Jan 2012 #6
This is a recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #16
Where in FSM's name do you see the word 'stop' here? randome Jan 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #26
I think Occupy Wall Street has been very effective... Spazito Jan 2012 #7
+1 xchrom Jan 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author NSojac Jan 2012 #12
Yes, one writer pointed out that the conversation has changed from Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #29
Exactly! Spazito Jan 2012 #32
OWS apolitical stance is what apparently bothers some on DU. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #65
A poor way to frame the question NSojac Jan 2012 #8
Bravo! randome Jan 2012 #10
What am I doing? brooklynite Jan 2012 #11
Good. We can all agree the republicans are unconscionable. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #28
Bravo for trying to engage nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #15
Working on an election campaign - helping get progressives in office. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #17
I think the greatest effect is not even being discussed.... AntiFascist Jan 2012 #20
Yup, the strike might be over. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #25
I only know a little about the Los Angeles movement, and they say Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #27
It isn't what the critic/unenthused/whatever is doing that I think is critical but what it is they TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #40
Anyone who is working on a campaign for a Democrat treestar Jan 2012 #47
It's not ineffective from what I see. K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #59
On the West Coast there has been outreach with unions Generic Other Jan 2012 #63
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