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In reply to the discussion: For those who think Occupy Wall Street is ineffective [View all]Zorra
(27,670 posts)this fact, or you are ignorant of the facts.
Please allow me to enlighten you, assuming that the latter is the case.
No offense intended, but the way we go about effectively achieving goals may be outside the box of the processes that form your ability to conceptualize. We are doing it a different way, and apparently you don't understand how this way can be effective, because it's not the way that you are familiar with.
Step 1 in the process of solving the problem that you mentioned, "we want money out of politics" is raising awareness of the problem so that enough people can become aware of the problem and want to join together in order to solve the problem. We are being tangibly very successful so far. We have widely distributed awareness of the problem of corporate personhood into the national dialogue/consciousness in a mere 3 1/2 months. It is difficult to understand how you can't see and understand this. This is not Burger King. We can't give it to you right now, and we can't give it to you your way.
The Occupy Movement is addressing our primary concern by repeatedly successfully attacking the disease that has infected the root of the tree of democracy. If you don't like the Movement, and choose to ignore the facts, there is no way I will ever be able to get you to acknowledge reality as it pertains to the Occupy Movement.
For example, conservatives choose to view Obama as a socialist. Because they want to, not because it is true in fact.
Anyway, below is a small collection of some examples of the progression of events that outlines the effectiveness of our process.
I'll begin with the original declaration of Occupy Wall Street, and end with a news story published today:
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.
As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/
Seattle City Council backs Occupy Seattle
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/11/14/seattle-city-council-backs-occupy-seattle/
L.A. and Occupy L.A. Agree: Its Time to End Corporate Personhood
On December 3, just two days before Occupy L.A. was evicted by police, the General Assembly of the occupation passed a unanimous resolution calling for a constitutional amendment to end corporate personhood.
Today, the City Council of Los Angeles also voted, also unanimously, for a resolution making the same appeal.
http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/brooke-jarvis/la-and-occupy-la-agree-its-time-to-end-corporate-personhood
Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 09:15 AM PST
We lobbied Congress IN PERSON to support Sen. Sanders Constitutional Amendment. This is our story
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/11/1043951/-We-lobbied-Congress-IN-PERSON-to-support-Sen-Sanders-Constitutional-Amendment-This-is-our-story
Bernie Sanders Introduces OCCUPIED Constitutional Amendment To Ban Corporate Money In Politics
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/12/08/385511/bernie-sanders-introduces-occupied-constitutional-amendment-to-ban-corporate-money-in-politics/
Can Occupy Overturn Citizens United? "Dear 99%ers..."
Nothing could enhance American democracy more than if Occupy Wall Street helped enact the 28th Constitutional Amendment to end the pretense that corporations are people who speak with money. The 99% can stop the privatization of governmen
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-green/can-occupy-overturn-citiz_b_1148032.html
Occupy Billings MT is a group of local citizens who are concerned with how corporate money and influence in politics does not make an effective democracy and does not represent peoples needs. Occupy Billings Montana was also developed in lieu of the Occupy Wall Street Movement, and is not only protesting and meeting in solidarity with groups nation-wide, but also vocalising that big business in politics affects Montana and rural communties as well as big cities.
We are from all generations, the whole political spectrum (republicans, democrats, libertarians, socialists,etc.), various ethic backgrounds, various religious and spiritual beliefs, and are all involved in various types of work.
http://occupybillingsmt.org/who-we-are/
Montanas Supreme Court holds that Montanas Constitution bars corporate spending
Posted on December 31, 2011
http://www.occupywallstinfo.com/tag/elections/
Published on Wednesday, January 4, 2012 by CommonDreams.org
States Take On Citizens United
Montana legal ruling a possible game-changer for states; California lawmakers introduce legislation to overturn Citizens United
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/04-0
Citizens United Backlash Grows from Cali. to NYC Urging Congress to Overturn Corporate Personhood
Thursday 5 January 2012
by: Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, Democracy NOW! | Report
http://www.truth-out.org/citizens-united-backlash-grows-cali-nyc-urging-congress-overturn-corporate-personhood/1325794067
There are, of course, many, many, more examples that illustrate indisputable fact that the Occupy Movement has had a profound effect on the nation in only 3 1/2 months.
To suggest anything else would be totally obtuse.