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a geek named Bob

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88. could you show these FACTS again

Sat Sep 1, 2012, 11:53 AM

Sep 2012

and let's skip hysterical shrieking sites like wsws, shall we?

If you are going to accuse the USA of being a police state, YOU must prove, beyond reasnable doubt, that it is so.

The mere fact that we have actual elections shows you are wrong.
The mere fact that I can go and buy fire arms, shows you are wrong.
The mere fact that I can buy/build rockets longer than a standard car, shows you are wrong.
The mere fact that I can sue a cop, should they get nasty with a nightstick, shows you are wrong.
The mere fact that we have trial by jury, shows you are wrong.
The mere fact that I can publish any sort of radical paper - provided that it does not advocate violent crime - shows you are wrong.

If you go into the "there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two candidates" schtick...

Then it's pretty obvious what your underlying message is.

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The US police state, the "best" in the world [View all] MadHound Aug 2012 OP

I could probably make a case the China is more of a police state... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #1

The US has one quarter of the population that China does, MadHound Aug 2012 #2

MadHound... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #3

Thank you kindly for being part of the problem, not part of the solution MadHound Aug 2012 #6

MadHound... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #8

You are basing this all on your own experience, MadHound Aug 2012 #11

sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #14

I'm trying to point out some hard truths to you, MadHound Aug 2012 #21

Think you got through on that? lonestarnot Aug 2012 #36

As the burden of proof is on the accuser, the onus a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #43

In other words no, you can disprove the notion that we're in a police state. n/t MadHound Sep 2012 #62

In the United States a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #72

I'm looking for some evidence from you, MadHound Sep 2012 #78

could you show these FACTS again a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #88

Are you having an Eastwood moment? MadHound Sep 2012 #124

Well, Bob the geek, if you can't see the US is a police state then you are part of the problem! LibertyLass Sep 2012 #337

ROFLMAO RegieRocker Sep 2012 #133

sure sounds like it. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #142

Actually I've linked to a couple of articles, MadHound Sep 2012 #144

Again, kid... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #148

You are just full of Eastwood moments aren't you, MadHound Sep 2012 #150

yup, kind of what I figured... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #154

Let me ask you this, when people point out other problems, MadHound Sep 2012 #163

There's proof galore for those... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #169

as you've been going on about the police state... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #339

Oh, I'm Libertarian Baby! LibertyLass Sep 2012 #338

You are definitely confused.... RegieRocker Sep 2012 #157

so... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #164

You keep going on about two things, MadHound Sep 2012 #176

Didn't I say IF? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #179

Mob rule is what you have now RegieRocker Sep 2012 #223

okay then a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #224

More worthless air RegieRocker Sep 2012 #227

Any study worth its salt a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #230

Well there have been I think 139 people freed from sorefeet Sep 2012 #295

when you get tired of putting words in my mouth, a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #51

Well, your excerpt describes this country today. I don't think it's helping your point: sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #58

Thank you, you're making my case. MadHound Sep 2012 #63

well, you know, if there are uninsured motorists, then it's ok to stop everybody in hopes of HiPointDem Sep 2012 #60

+1 nt Live and Learn Sep 2012 #101

Yep RegieRocker Sep 2012 #134

++ nt justabob Sep 2012 #184

Here's today's latest outrage, MadHound Aug 2012 #23

In a country of 300,000,000, shit happens. That's no great consolation, I know. randome Aug 2012 #31

Sorry, but I consider excessive police violence to go hand in hand with a police state MadHound Aug 2012 #32

And the greater evidence is the gathering of police in riot gear for gtar100 Sep 2012 #54

No disrespect meant a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #91

LOL, since when are you dealing with facts in this thread? MadHound Sep 2012 #125

No it doesn't. This kind of regular police brutality DOES NOT happen in 'every country in the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #59

Thank you a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #90

yup a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #47

So you're OK with having the largest number of security cameras in the world, MadHound Sep 2012 #61

Nice a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #71

What about privacy in private? MadHound Sep 2012 #77

sigh... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #86

On the other hand, geeky one... randome Sep 2012 #87

I really have to get caught up in my Dr. Who watching. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #93

Jellybabies are so Tom Baker these days. randome Sep 2012 #94

It dates me immediately... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #96

Umm, who said anything about leaving a window open, MadHound Sep 2012 #126

Dude.. a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #136

Oh, I'm not angry at you, I'm laughing at you, MadHound Sep 2012 #141

good to know you can laugh at yourself... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #145

Again, thanks for proving my point, MadHound Sep 2012 #147

when you make a point, feel free to post it a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #153

You really are hung up on the notion that somehow I'm a communist MadHound Sep 2012 #161

okay then a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #167

I'm simply pointing out the problem, MadHound Sep 2012 #180

right... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #182

First of all, fill me in, MadHound Sep 2012 #187

THe Frankfurt ISR <spits on ground> a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #194

Well, despite your vague accusations, MadHound Sep 2012 #199

The socratic method a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #206

Doesn't mean that it isn't a valid method of discussing issues MadHound Sep 2012 #208

Rather authoritarian? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #221

Where are my manners??? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #222

Well lucky you, that you have not had your place tossed. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #186

Really? Bonobo Sep 2012 #321

really? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #324

Why do you have to take all those precautions in a democracy to prevent your government sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #24

+1 We shouldn't have anything to hide or anything to fear, but the .gov doesn't need to be peeping rDigital Aug 2012 #40

You seem to deal in shoulds a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #48

About the only thing you deal with, as shown in post after post in this thread, MadHound Sep 2012 #64

MadHound... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #73

I've provided plenty of proof up and down this thread, MadHound Sep 2012 #79

gee... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #92

I guess you missed the OP, MadHound Sep 2012 #127

Okay... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #139

Ah, so that's why you're touchy about this, MadHound Sep 2012 #143

okay a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #149

Well I'm happy for you, you take care of what you own, MadHound Sep 2012 #152

actually... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #156

You know, I find that having a good memory saves tool loss. MadHound Sep 2012 #168

My tools are in a garage... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #172

Well, has that ever happened? MadHound Sep 2012 #183

it'll give the cops a face to look for... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #192

Wow, you start off right in the deep end. MadHound Sep 2012 #196

MadHound, as there's no way I'd give personal info... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #204

And what did your family say? MadHound Sep 2012 #207

Sorry for the pause a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #219

Psst, thermographs are so 2000, MadHound Sep 2012 #146

Your number 2 is a steaming heaping pile Blecht Sep 2012 #82

Except for the pepper spray, a 'police state' exists when protesters are pushed onto the sidewalk? randome Sep 2012 #83

also, a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #97

You're already proven that, I think. randome Sep 2012 #98

The paper is done! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #100

ah... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #89

If you want a real police state daeron Sep 2012 #138

daeron a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #151

China executions Navl Sep 2012 #322

are you actually going a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #325

I'm thinking you missed the point Navl Sep 2012 #334

then what's the point of bringing them up? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #335

What? Navl Sep 2012 #336

one word Tiananmen loli phabay Aug 2012 #4

I forgot to add... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #5

Well, given the various IR and other technology can see right through walls, everything n/t MadHound Aug 2012 #7

Good statistics for China may not be available: the country may execute 8000/yr struggle4progress Aug 2012 #27

Working with the best stats we've got, MadHound Aug 2012 #28

Comparisons can't be meaningful without comparable data gathering struggle4progress Aug 2012 #37

Umm, we are talking people incarcerated here, MadHound Sep 2012 #65

I thought we were talking about police states. If you included the various forms of "administrative struggle4progress Sep 2012 #67

Incarceration rates are but one symptom of the problem, MadHound Sep 2012 #68

Are those security cameras out in public? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #95

Ooo, hey, look at the old dude trying to be cool using that hip new slang MadHound Sep 2012 #128

wow a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #159

You're making that leap again, MadHound Sep 2012 #173

you're free to be a socialist a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #175

by the way... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #177

And please, point out anywhere I said I was interested in some sort of "takeover" bid? MadHound Sep 2012 #185

If all you're going to do a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #226

I've gone to a number of protests in the last decade hfojvt Aug 2012 #38

That's nice, that's your experience, MadHound Sep 2012 #129

hfojvt... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #174

You're perfectly safe so long as your political activities are innocuous and ineffective. hunter Aug 2012 #33

Which is a strange set of affairs considering the availability of the Internet. randome Aug 2012 #39

ACT UP? Not Gonna Play in Sun City? The Days of Rage? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #50

There was blood in those stories. hunter Sep 2012 #111

Really? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #113

Two things the United States manufactures best: war and criminals. Initech Aug 2012 #9

Lately we've excelled at putting the two together. lastlib Aug 2012 #13

IR is easy to stop a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #10

Again, in what is supposed to be the freest country of the world, MadHound Aug 2012 #12

The constitution also states a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #15

What does that have to do with the police now being able to look right into your home? MadHound Aug 2012 #22

I think you're being trolled, friend. rDigital Aug 2012 #42

sigh... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #49

Better question yet, why aren't we allowed to do something about it. MadHound Sep 2012 #66

holy cow... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #74

How about those links I posted, MadHound Sep 2012 #80

But in a police state, you would be forbidden from doing that. randome Aug 2012 #16

As the US doesn't restrict the sale of tin foil a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #17

Also... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #18

In a police state where people have reached the point of acceptance, as it appears some people sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #25

Or some of us read a book. randome Aug 2012 #26

It looks like, from the comments here, that some of us have reached the stage others who sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #30

Part of it is because we lock up people for stupid things davidn3600 Aug 2012 #19

I saw a web page a while back a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #20

The far right is losing power. randome Aug 2012 #29

Hell yeah , end the 'War on Drugs', legalize most of it and tax it to pay for mental health care. rDigital Aug 2012 #44

I agree but... defacto7 Sep 2012 #52

The real reason is the For Profit Prison Industry. Locking people for stupid stuff is deliberate. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #34

+1 liberal_at_heart Aug 2012 #45

+2 nt Live and Learn Sep 2012 #57

Yep, it's real. porphyrian Sep 2012 #81

30 million security cameras, and more coming online all the time. MadHound Aug 2012 #35

To be fair rDigital Aug 2012 #46

I have no problem with cameras. They catch the police abuse also. Logical Sep 2012 #99

Same here. randome Sep 2012 #104

I agree. It is not far off I bet. Cops are out of control. Logical Sep 2012 #107

It's not a matter of catching the police abuse, MadHound Sep 2012 #130

So what is your solution? a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #243

+1: blkmusclmachine Aug 2012 #41

Some guy jacked a police car that was parked idling today in LA. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2012 #53

a couple of years ago, I would have thought this was crazy stuff.... defacto7 Sep 2012 #55

Welcome to DU Hydra Sep 2012 #115

Whew... thanks. I'm not seeing things. defacto7 Sep 2012 #116

No, unfortunately you're not Hydra Sep 2012 #118

Recommend. Every Occupier has seen it first hand, and knows this is true. Zorra Sep 2012 #56

Nonsense a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #75

That's just...so very wrong.. FACTS: 7,396 Occupiers arrested since Sept 2011. Zorra Sep 2012 #102

As far as the arrests are concerned, isn't that part of protesting in general? randome Sep 2012 #105

also... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #109

Dunno. How many would you estimate? nt Zorra Sep 2012 #252

I really don't know a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #253

No. Generally, nobody wants to be arrested. It is an emotionally, physically, and often financially Zorra Sep 2012 #110

Thank you for posting some liks a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #106

ARGH... thanks. Zalatix Sep 2012 #140

Example of "unbelieveable amount of force used by the police" please? nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #158

Oh, somewhere in this thread is a link I posted, MadHound Sep 2012 #170

That's a rogue cop... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #181

How many rogue cops does it take to make a police state? MadHound Sep 2012 #190

oh THIS should prove to be fun! a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #198

Let's see here then, MadHound Sep 2012 #202

Definition? RegieRocker Sep 2012 #233

SO... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #234

Are you really fully there? RegieRocker Sep 2012 #245

sigh a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #248

Still nothing RegieRocker Sep 2012 #263

Lots of yummy ad hominems... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #266

As usual still nothing RegieRocker Sep 2012 #273

okay then, chuckles... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #275

Cop was wrong, but Skip Intro Sep 2012 #188

Innocent of her crime or not, she paid the ultimate price, MadHound Sep 2012 #191

It is sad. But not a common thing. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #200

Except it isn't just one or two, but rather one or two a week. MadHound Sep 2012 #203

I don't buy that for a minute. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #209

Agreed... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #232

(Warning: Pic heavy, graphic violence) See, MH? We get asked to post examples, we post them, Zorra Sep 2012 #255

All pigs like these and all RegieRocker Sep 2012 #265

a "police state" does not mean more people are in jail treestar Sep 2012 #69

Due process, hah! MadHound Sep 2012 #70

You have right to counsel. If the cops violated the 4th or 5th amendment treestar Sep 2012 #123

Again, I'm asking your opinion on camera proliferation MadHound Sep 2012 #131

Ask Gov. Don Siegelman how he's doing. Octafish Sep 2012 #76

Don Siegelman? hunter Sep 2012 #132

Yes. Thank you. This phone changes the words I type. Octafish Sep 2012 #205

Police State is upon us bernie1 Sep 2012 #84

Welcome to DU! Hydra Sep 2012 #117

Yet this issue is utterly absent from media and political campaigns. woo me with science Sep 2012 #85

The fact that there isn't much pushback suggests we've already gone beyond the event horizen Hydra Sep 2012 #120

True it is the best in the world, no one else comes close imo. Rex Sep 2012 #103

My wife just came up with one... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #108

formalized by the PATRIOT act... KG Sep 2012 #112

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Police state. webbduckfoot Sep 2012 #114

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What does the author suggest we do about the growing police state? lunatica Sep 2012 #119

The paradox established by the level of agreement with pipoman Sep 2012 #122

Most of China's potential prisoners don't even make it to prison. Zalatix Sep 2012 #137

Criminals belong in jail. Skip Intro Sep 2012 #155

And Flamebaiters belong in Purgatory. nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #162

He who would trade liberty for security deserves neither, MadHound Sep 2012 #165

Familiar with the quote. Doesn't mean laws are bad. nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #211

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Why are Americans such criminals? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #327

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