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FBaggins

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36. Actually... some are in court (five IIRC)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 10:41 AM
Oct 2019

They just haven't resulted in any rulings yet... which is why Democrats are trying to avoid them in this case. They can't wait several months for the fight to work through the courts. Instead, they're just insisting on document production with the threat that refusal to do so will be considered as obstruction and result in another potential impeachment count.

But the misunderstanding here is the difference between subpoenas related to civil/criminal court cases, and those from Congress to a co-equal branch of government. In the former, the executive branch (prosecutors) have received permission from the judicial branch to force you to show up in court (or product documents, etc.). BUT the judicial branch recognizes that you haven't had an opportunity to give your side, so you can go to the judge and ask that the subpoena be "quashed". You're basically appealing the court's decision to approve the prosecutors' request. Absent that appeal, the subpoena is presumed to be valid and you can't ignore it.

Congressional subpoenas are different. They aren't pre-vetted by a judge. Their presumed validity is further damaged when the subpoena targets the executive branch. If a conflict ensues, the most common path is for the target of the subpoena to refuse to comply - which forces Congress to take the matter to court. Such matters usually end up with a negotiated agreement between the two branches, because neither is certain who would win in court.

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Kick! Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #1
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Hurricane, tsunami, F5 tornado indeed! Stunning how fast and deep his undoing is coming. machoneman Oct 2019 #18
I want to know why no one has tried to go after law licenses of any person who has one who IGNORED beachbumbob Oct 2019 #4
Great point! I hope someone with the power does just that Maraya1969 Oct 2019 #30
typically it takes other licensed lawyers to make a complaint to start the ball rolling beachbumbob Oct 2019 #31
Because it isn't illegal to fight a subpoena FBaggins Oct 2019 #33
no one went to court in any of the cases where the subpeona was issued and ignored, that is the beachbumbob Oct 2019 #34
Actually... some are in court (five IIRC) FBaggins Oct 2019 #36
Nicely explained. Nt BootinUp Oct 2019 #46
Bill Clinton was disbarred. They should do the same with all of these lying lawyers IronLionZion Oct 2019 #35
Ted Lieu had done this several months ago NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #42
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K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2019 #7
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Why not after Mueller JT45242 Oct 2019 #11
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I have been waiting for this to happen Pepsidog Oct 2019 #13
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May the bar leaders disbar Barr Perseus Oct 2019 #20
Along with White House Counsel. There's a whole crew of dirty lawyers to take down. ancianita Oct 2019 #32
Sounds great but any lawyers out there know the possibility of this being successful? Marie Marie Oct 2019 #21
seems like Bars are super harsh on small infractions and timid for the big stuff EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #22
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