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17. hiding part of the election process contaminates the election

Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:57 PM

Oct 2019

A. Paper ballots: human readable, human markable, countable by humans

B. Electronic voting machines: no ballot exists except as an abstraction that lasts momentarily, machine actions not viewable by humans, numbers produced may or may not reflect human selections, not verifiable

C. Paper ballots counted electronically: ballots are human readable, but counted via a hidden process and tucked away while everyone points to grocery store checkouts as somehow evidence that the tally has not been hidden

Elections are more important than checking out at the grocery store.

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Voting machine vendors: corruption, opacity, and lies (17 min. video) [View all] diva77 Oct 2019 OP

We need to go back to hand-counting ballots. alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #1

Absolutely! Hand-marked, hand-counted paper ballots at the precinct level with diva77 Oct 2019 #2

Yes! alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #3

You are aware that hand-counting is no more accurate than machine counted, yes? Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #4

I would agree if we could count on the integrity of voting machine systems (in their entirety) alwaysinasnit Oct 2019 #5

If the ballot marked by the individual is designated by law as the Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #6

voting machines should be as irrelevant as whalebone corsets Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #7

Agreed - with the exception of #7, Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #8

elections should NEVER depend on electronics Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #9

Depend on - No. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #10

counting should be by hand, in public view Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #11

Nonsense. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #12

our entire system of voting WAS rearranged by introducing electronics Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #13

It actually wasn't - Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #14

it actually was. 'no electronics' to 'electronics' is a change Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #15

Voting machines change all the time. Ms. Toad Oct 2019 #16

hiding part of the election process contaminates the election Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #17

KnR. Thanks, diva. Fight the good fight. Hekate Oct 2019 #18