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DFW

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9. I wasn't down there much at all during the 1980s
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:01 AM
Oct 2019

My "frequent (maybe 6 or 7 times a year)" visits didn't resume until about 20 years ago.

Ever since Franco died, autonomy was restored to the regions most clamoring for it. Euzkadi, the Basque country, and Catalunya both got pretty much everything they lost when the Fascists won the civil war in 1939. I haven't been back to Euzkadi since the 1960s, but in Catalunya, the language is now again publicly dominant. Among the people, of course, it always was. Street signs, newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, schools, all are now again in Catalan. The major boulevards, all renamed after Franco and his fascist generals when they won the civil war, now have their original names back (the locals never stopped using them anyway).

So, the separatist movement is no longer about cultural identity, but money. My personal view is that the money should be negotiable, and the cultural identity should not. I think this is why Turkey is still at war with itself and Spain is not. Even the extremist Basques have stopped blowing up stuff. I think of tiny Switzerland with its diverse ethnic make-up, and how it wouldn't even occur to ANY Swiss to want to separate their regions from the rest. My only full-time guy down there is from Geneva, and so is French-speaking. He speaks a little Italian, maybe three words of German, and zero of the Swiss version. Ask him if he thinks any of Switzerland should want to leave the Confederation, and he'd look at you as if you'd lost that last of your marbles.

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good read. Thanks DFW. panader0 Oct 2019 #1
arroz negro enid602 Oct 2019 #2
Thanks, elleng Oct 2019 #3
I always think that Spain changed my life. How, I don't know. I was just so impressed with it. CTyankee Oct 2019 #4
I'm almost never in Italy DFW Oct 2019 #8
Well, I think the experience in Spain was different because it was infusive (is that a word?) as CTyankee Oct 2019 #14
Unfortunately, I have no experience with those companies DFW Oct 2019 #15
I've loved Catalunya since the 1960s. Barcelona was rough in the 70/80's erronis Oct 2019 #5
I wasn't down there much at all during the 1980s DFW Oct 2019 #9
Good points, especially about the CH erronis Oct 2019 #31
The really violent Basques were always very few in number DFW Oct 2019 #32
just back evertonfc Oct 2019 #6
Were you trying to watch the Classico (Barcelona - Madrid)? Ron Obvious Oct 2019 #12
messi.. We saw Messi bag a FK.... evertonfc Oct 2019 #26
I guess I don't have to ask if you had a good time! n/t DFW Oct 2019 #19
I fucking love Catalonia, from Barcelona all up into Perpignan, France. Goodheart Oct 2019 #7
It does grow on you DFW Oct 2019 #10
I was just there this past Wednesday Solomon Oct 2019 #11
I was there a few days in the 70s treestar Oct 2019 #13
You're probably thinking of Saturday morning DFW Oct 2019 #17
I love Barcelona. It's my favorite city. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #16
It's an easy city to give that title to! DFW Oct 2019 #18
My ex was a professor of Spanish. We used to take a study-abroad group there each summer. tblue37 Oct 2019 #21
I was there in the Franco era. DFW Oct 2019 #24
Me too. Our trips started in 1971. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #27
My first time was 1968 DFW Oct 2019 #28
I was always nervous around the Guardia Civil and their automatic weapons. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #29
Ah, yes, "the Guads," as we called them DFW Oct 2019 #30
In Barcelona last year. kairos12 Oct 2019 #20
I can imagine! DFW Oct 2019 #22
Those cobbled streets in the Barrio Gotico date back to Medieval times. Some stores there tblue37 Oct 2019 #23
They certainly do! DFW Oct 2019 #25
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