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MineralMan

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91. OK. They're selling data about what I do to advertisers.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:53 PM
Oct 2019

But, I never even look at FB ads, much less click on them. So, the money they get helps keep the site going so I don't have to pay to use it. I'm OK with that. Ads don't affect me on Facebook.

DU does the same thing. It allows ads to appear on the site to anyone who doesn't contribute to the site. That helps pay to keep DU online. Apparently, DUers who don't get a star don't care that ads appear, or they'd contribute a little bit to make them go away.

Over-the-air broadcast TV and radio operates the same way. It sells ads to cover costs and generate profits. People watch or listen. Apparently, enough of them patronize the advertisers to keep the ads coming. It's a standard operating model. Broadcasters present programming that attracts certain demographic groups and then they present those demographic groups to prospective advertisers.

Magazines do something very similar. They publish articles that attract a demographic group so they can sell ads, which pay for the magazine's operation and make a profit. Subscription fees don't even come close. Newspapers operate on the same model.

Internet websites, like Facebook, do similar things. They're better at discovering the interests of their users, though, since they can track user behavior. Every search you make on Google provides information about your interests. So, Google can put ads on its site and sell ads to others through the AdSense program or other programs. Other websites can make money by letting Google put targeted ads on those websites. That's how DU does it.

Every company that needs to attract people's eyes, but that doesn't sell anything directly to its users has to generate income in other ways. Selling advertising is one of those ways. Google and Facebook, along with many others, tracks what its users do, where they go, what they search for, etc. That way, they can sell targeted groups to advertisers. How else would they generate revenues?

People won't pay to use a search engine or a chat platform. They will barely pay to use a discussion forum. DU is a good example. Some people, like me, contribute annually, but my contribution doesn't go very far. DU is relatively cheap to operate, really, but takes time from its owners, who would like to make something for their time. To cover the gap, DU has monetized the site with ads, showing them only to those who don't contribute. DU has a demographic to attract advertisers. Not a great demographic, but a demographic nevertheless.

So, what is the difference between Facebook and all those other entities that sell advertising to make a profit? Nothing, really.

Amazon has a different model. It sells stuff. Directly or indirectly. So, it advertises the stuff on its site. It doesn't need outside advertising, because it has stuff to sell, along with a huge web hosting and cloud presence.

Hosting websites costs money. Hosting huge websites costs lots of money. It's a business.

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On Boycotting Facebook [View all] MineralMan Oct 2019 OP
Thank you, MineralMan. AirmensMom Oct 2019 #1
My pleasure. MineralMan Oct 2019 #2
Dead on, except in one detail. Jirel Oct 2019 #3
Good points Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Oct 2019 #6
So does Google. Ads are everywhere. MineralMan Oct 2019 #8
I think people underestimate the threat here Johnny2X2X Oct 2019 #20
Exactly this. n/t 5X Oct 2019 #29
Agree!! FB should suffer a boycott, they would soon be forced to change their ways Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #43
I don't use Facebook to learn things. I use it to keep in touch with friends MineralMan Oct 2019 #54
They asked me this morning HAB911 Oct 2019 #5
I've gotten things like that, too. MineralMan Oct 2019 #10
I basically follow the same system... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #7
Exactly. As a user, you have to USE the tools made available MineralMan Oct 2019 #9
Facebook doesn't give a rat's behind about your "input" as long as they get your personal data. Maven Oct 2019 #11
Really? If that's the case, why am I not seeing what you're describing? MineralMan Oct 2019 #12
Really? You're not seeing it because: Maven Oct 2019 #17
Thank you MineralMan, this is how I feel as well. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #13
It's easier to control your Twitter feed than your Facebook feed. MineralMan Oct 2019 #15
I am down to part time now and will fully retire in late 2020 or early 2021. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #19
Lots and lots of people use Facebook as a purely social gathering place. MineralMan Oct 2019 #23
I didn't say they control you. I said they use your data. Maven Oct 2019 #26
I don't care about that, either. MineralMan Oct 2019 #28
Your approach to this seems to be "if it doesn't affect me personally, why should I care?" Maven Oct 2019 #31
See. I don't care about your Facebook experience, to tell you the truth. MineralMan Oct 2019 #34
I've noticed a few posters here who love to lecture the rest of us about using facebook. cwydro Oct 2019 #37
? Maven Oct 2019 #41
I wasn't talking about you at all. cwydro Oct 2019 #63
I'm not lecturing... and I don't preach either. FB is making an American oligarch out of Zuckerberg Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #61
I was responding to the OP, and I wasn't thinking of you in my response. cwydro Oct 2019 #64
I just cannot agree!! That creep Zuckerberg is not our friend. Your F&F that luv you will find Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #46
I don't want Zuckerberg to be my friend. MineralMan Oct 2019 #50
It backfires because every click, every use puts more money in his pocket. Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #57
I don't click on anything on FB, except the reply button on my friends' posts. MineralMan Oct 2019 #69
Every time you use FB in any form you put money in their pocket. It's called click bait Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #106
I just introduced my new puppy on Facebook ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #14
Ooooh! Puppy! MineralMan Oct 2019 #16
They are. ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #27
Pet names. My pets' names all just came to me in a flash. MineralMan Oct 2019 #30
lol! ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #47
Give Mafia a shoulder rub for me, OK? MineralMan Oct 2019 #55
Ha! ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #72
Shadow it is, then... MineralMan Oct 2019 #78
One Other Note on Facebook MineralMan Oct 2019 #18
... Maven Oct 2019 #22
Sure. I know that. So does Google. So does Amazon. MineralMan Oct 2019 #24
Sometimes I identify the ads or posts as sexually offensive. LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #21
Very well said MM cbdo2007 Oct 2019 #25
Thanks! I don't see the ads, either, really. MineralMan Oct 2019 #32
Instagram is a great way to share. If everyone boycotted FB, they would change their evil ways Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #48
How does that meeting affect me? MineralMan Oct 2019 #56
That's a sad attitude Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #62
Instagram has been owned by Facebook since 2012. (It first launched in 2010.) nt Princess Turandot Oct 2019 #70
I know that!! They at least don't do political ads Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #88
Instagram Facebook cbdo2007 Oct 2019 #76
Are there ads on FB?? tavernier Oct 2019 #84
Here's a FB Ad: LeftInTX Oct 2019 #97
Hmmm lets see GusBob Oct 2019 #33
See. You're using Facebook as it was designed to be used. MineralMan Oct 2019 #35
Well Sir to me its more important than that GusBob Oct 2019 #39
As always - cwydro Oct 2019 #36
YouTube is a much worse offender LeftInTX Oct 2019 #38
That's funny. How do you use YouTube? MineralMan Oct 2019 #58
Lots of RW alt-right stuff LeftInTX Oct 2019 #71
I used to sigh and use FB for the same reasons, MM librechik Oct 2019 #40
I am thrilled I don't exist in Facebook's world. Never have. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #42
A voice of sanity... thank you! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #49
agree with 42. I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to do. northoftheborder Oct 2019 #77
I live 5000 miles from my mother LittleGirl Oct 2019 #44
I'm the same. bamagal62 Oct 2019 #45
I live 1,200 from my daughter, about the same from a dear sis Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #52
I left FB a long time ago... yuiyoshida Oct 2019 #51
Good for you!! Great pics by the way. Twitter, yes no political ads and just as easy to use Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #59
Sounds like a pretty juicy rationalization to justify its use. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #53
Thank you MineralMan bdamomma Oct 2019 #60
The big money is in collecting and selling personal data dlk Oct 2019 #65
Agree... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #66
Bien dit mon brave! Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #67
Merci! MineralMan Oct 2019 #79
I never understood the allure of posting to Facebook. danclinger1000 Oct 2019 #68
You realize that you can restrict who sees your posts to MineralMan Oct 2019 #80
I post some political stuff on Facebook...not too heavy, unless I'm in a closed group LeftInTX Oct 2019 #73
I do what you do. Plus, don't take the surveys/play the games. bitterross Oct 2019 #74
Yes avoid the surveys and games LeftInTX Oct 2019 #98
Well of course you can keep Facebook if you want. sdfernando Oct 2019 #75
These are the same rationalizations all FB addicts use... Triloon Oct 2019 #81
"What is the point of all this verbiage?" MineralMan Oct 2019 #82
+1 hlthe2b Oct 2019 #83
Same. I use it as it was originally intended. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #85
Resepctfully disagree FrankBooth Oct 2019 #86
Thank you!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #89
OK. They're selling data about what I do to advertisers. MineralMan Oct 2019 #91
They sell you to 3rd parties FrankBooth Oct 2019 #95
Not boycotting, but I did sign off. The_jackalope Oct 2019 #87
You make a strong point Perseus Oct 2019 #90
Mark Zuckerberg and Cambridge Analytica thank you kindly for your patronage. Squinch Oct 2019 #92
They make zero money from me. MineralMan Oct 2019 #93
Yes. It's really a charitable organization, and they let you play because you're a nice guy. Squinch Nov 2019 #100
I use the system they provide, MineralMan Nov 2019 #101
Every time you click on ANYTHING on FB it generates advertising revenue.. don't kid yourself Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #103
This, of course, is true, and it has been described elsewhere in this thread, but I don't think Squinch Nov 2019 #107
Boycotts have often been effective, but the numbers must be substantial. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #94
I couldn't even get them to remove the NZ shooter's hate manifesto. I reported it every way possible NCLefty Oct 2019 #96
Thank you!! A voice of sanity Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #104
We clearly need an Anti-Facebook ck4829 Nov 2019 #99
I don't understand why anyone needs Facebook at all. Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #102
You nailed it! I would add to your list FaceTime Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #105
I enjoy Facebook and my browser's "Ad Block" add-on... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #108
I have reconnected with many people from my past.... Heartstrings Nov 2019 #109
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