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Alithea

(99 posts)
24. It's all about winning the next presidential election
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:28 PM
Nov 2019

If by impeaching Trump they could be sure that Pence would take over as president and could win the next election the would, but they can’t be sure, so they will try to stay the course with Trump as long as possible.

My bet is that they try to run out the clock on holding any Senate trial, drag their feet, tie things up in court, until the election campaign and the impeachment process become fused in the minds of the voters. Then they say that the election is a referendum on Trump and far be it from them, the GOP Senators, to usurp the will of the people so, in respect for principles of democracy, they will defer to the public will. “The people put him there so, if anyone, the people must take him out.”

If Trump wins it for them, they will boot out that lame-duck president the next time he says “boo” and instal Pence. They hate Trump’s unpredictability and national security blunders.

If he loses the next election, a Senate trial is a moot point, GOP senators don’t have to have a vote on their record, and they get to tell cry like hell about how the Democrats’ antics unfairly felled Trump and they use that to rally their base in the next mid-term election and, generally, to treat the next Democrat president no better than they treated Obama.

The only solid way out of this is swaying the opinion of Trump’s base before the Senate vote. What would be needed for that? Probably nothing less than Trump in videotape demanding deposits of gold bullion in secret Swiss bank accounts in exchange for political favours, or for releasing withheld military aid, or for looking the other way in the face of gross criminal violations. All while saying that he finds middle-class and poor Americans repulsive and easy prey for him. That would break the cognitive dissonance of the base in a way that shooting someone on 5th Avenue never could.

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senators don't vote to impeach, the house does that beachbumbob Nov 2019 #1
You are, of course, correct. Thanks. See edit. nt Atticus Nov 2019 #2
Senate conviction means removal from office IronLionZion Nov 2019 #14
I like it! Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #3
they are 4 terrible options for McConnel and GOP/senate beachbumbob Nov 2019 #4
Good analysis Bob! machoneman Nov 2019 #5
I have watch GOP in action for 50 years at state and federal level and what we have today is beachbumbob Nov 2019 #6
What if Trumps screws up again, big time? kentuck Nov 2019 #7
As long as it doesn't involve Pence, they would dump him like a hot potato. lark Nov 2019 #11
I think he cannot avoid the next big screw up, or Trump has already initiated it. Ford_Prefect Nov 2019 #13
Think you're right, Jared has been all over the ME bigbrother05 Nov 2019 #16
again, no upside for McConnell and GOP to do anything with trump beachbumbob Nov 2019 #15
That is the only possible scenario in wnylib Nov 2019 #21
TRUMP BARBECUED MORALITY bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #9
McConnell is holding at around 18% approval in Kentucky. The Ghost of Soupy Sales would beat him. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #17
I disagree. NOT having the trial would look terrible to Independents. They win elections. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #12
The problem here is that Trumpy will continue to disgrace the nation if... Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #19
ACCEPT TRUMP'S CONFESSION bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #8
A possible Dem campaign slogan if he is wnylib Nov 2019 #22
gop senators and staff unfortunately are more concerned with what limbaugh says certainot Nov 2019 #10
I want to hear them say duforsure Nov 2019 #18
For those who defend Trumpy's crimes as "not serious enough for removal,"... Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #20
it goes against the core GOP beliefs ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #23
It's all about winning the next presidential election Alithea Nov 2019 #24
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