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karynnj

(59,475 posts)
112. That the EU as well as the US helps Ukraine
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 11:49 AM
Jan 2020

They are claiming that we did more on the sanctions. In the Obama years, it WAS Obama, Biden and Kerry who fought for strong sanctions that were harder for our allies than us because they have more trade - especially fuel - from Russia.

However, Trump ignored Congress when it added sanctions on Russia in 2017 and was against them when they passed both houses of Congress. To have the chutzpah to argue that they did more on sanctions than EU is absolutely disingenuous.

Benediction and pledge have occurred Mersky Jan 2020 #1
Cippy is up and not acting like WH Counsel Mersky Jan 2020 #2
Thank you for starting this BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #3
Eh, I want them to know people are watching this farce of a defense Mersky Jan 2020 #8
Had a few more hours of rest but still haven't caught up yet. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #30
Was super excited to see you in here. Is much appreciated. Mersky Jan 2020 #168
Glad to see you guys too! BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #171
Thanks for the thread and stream links! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #170
Yeah, it was awful. Mersky Jan 2020 #173
Thank you for doing this today! nt chowder66 Jan 2020 #177
Ditto... I am having trouble even thinking about watching... I'll read the threads for awhile hlthe2b Jan 2020 #17
I was gonna have the volume down low and read the cc BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #32
Aww thank you, Mersky! This will be tough day. ancianita Jan 2020 #4
They will be OBNOXIOUS, but their lies and bs shall be revealed Mersky Jan 2020 #22
Talk about "boring" Cipollone is a real fire cracker isn't he? underpants Jan 2020 #5
He has to talk real slow to try to have them all reach 2 hours. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #7
I know you were joking but it sounds like you're right underpants Jan 2020 #51
Poop-pura is doing the same thing BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #55
Purpura Backseat Driver Jan 2020 #82
LOL BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #93
Oh, that's where I've heard that name before Mersky Jan 2020 #174
That's who I meant underpants Jan 2020 #84
That was filler material BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #95
I just made this underpants Jan 2020 #145
DUzy! BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #155
I hope you've spread that around. People need laughs! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #176
WTF is he talking about "burden sharing"? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #6
I can't remember who it was, but avebury Jan 2020 #37
Exactly (someone posted that in this thread) BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #52
Here you go underpants Jan 2020 #102
That the EU as well as the US helps Ukraine karynnj Jan 2020 #112
Cippy wants to frame this as an ALT-evidence defense AND how dangerous the House is ancianita Jan 2020 #9
Guess what, he's wrong underpants Jan 2020 #20
The only way to smash this drumbeat claim for the next 10 months is make it part of elevator pitch ancianita Jan 2020 #34
So now he is going to use the time to insult our allies? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #10
Par for the course. Trump does it all the time. Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #15
... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #23
LOL... Zoonart Jan 2020 #33
full of shit Kali Jan 2020 #11
they got nuthin ... dweller Jan 2020 #12
But. We had better listen to it in order to disprove it. ancianita Jan 2020 #13
Agreed totally! Will try to listen on the radio and contribute what I can n/t DonaldsRump Jan 2020 #114
The radio's a great way to filter out histrionics, but it also deprives one of body/facial language. ancianita Jan 2020 #117
Oddly I feel I get a better sense of the truth listening to the radio. Arthur_Frain Jan 2020 #156
I hear you. Listening focuses the senses and thinking. ancianita Jan 2020 #160
Stunning indeed malaise Jan 2020 #18
I'm glad someone is watching just not me. dem4decades Jan 2020 #14
I wouldn't miss it. Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #19
You have a much longer fuse than i. dem4decades Jan 2020 #29
I'm just curious to find out just what it takes to buy the soul of a Republican Senator Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #41
Not much. dem4decades Jan 2020 #47
Except this and a lot of dark and foreign money. ancianita Jan 2020 #69
In all fairness... MontanaMama Jan 2020 #66
Lol Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #78
And they certainly don't want to hear that they're cowering cowards either. dem4decades Jan 2020 #79
But it's not easy. Mike 03 Jan 2020 #26
Surprise! WRONG. $16.4 BILLION from Europe to Ukraine since 2014 underpants Jan 2020 #16
+1 Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #21
The President's side was not locked out you lying sleazeball malaise Jan 2020 #24
This is hard to take. Mike 03 Jan 2020 #28
IT is Dems who are trying to steal the election malaise Jan 2020 #31
Cip is doubling down on a blatant lie. oasis Jan 2020 #39
"They repeat over and over again..." as he says burden sharing live love laugh Jan 2020 #25
Now it's 21 hours. I lost count how many times this guy's said it. underpants Jan 2020 #56
Yeah I heard that shift to 21 hours too. nt live love laugh Jan 2020 #67
Ask yourself, Why haven't I heard this before? underpants Jan 2020 #27
They blocked evidence then claim Democrats don't have it liberal N proud Jan 2020 #35
+1, the judicial system is lacking on this issue. It shouldn't take 123432 years to get a ruling ... uponit7771 Jan 2020 #48
Legal gaslighting is what it's called. ancianita Jan 2020 #81
Tre rebuttal time that is "see article 2 re Obstruction " NotASurfer Jan 2020 #129
"Essence..." superpatriotman Jan 2020 #36
Let the Lies Begin.... spanone Jan 2020 #38
what a moron Kali Jan 2020 #40
lol ... they gonna show Wonderful World Of Gumball next ?! Cause we can't tell that's a cartoon 🙄🙄 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #42
Oh no, they are dredging up Adam Schiff's satirical interpretation of the Mike 03 Jan 2020 #43
Poop-pura played Schiff's clip about the mob shakedown BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #44
I wish Dems had driven this point home. nt live love laugh Jan 2020 #63
I watched the Democrats' presentation gavel to gavel BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #88
Agree. I watched that, too. ancianita Jan 2020 #103
I'm talking about the language itself live love laugh Jan 2020 #118
The full breadth and scope of this argument will be behind the next 10 months of Republican message ancianita Jan 2020 #45
The first two speakers have spoken of the REAL TRANSCRIPT -- but they NEVER gave us a transcript karynnj Jan 2020 #46
I don't think they have the real one either BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #62
If they have a tape, they do - they seem to prefer having their version CALLED a transcript karynnj Jan 2020 #100
From what I understand BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #126
I was under the impression the calls are NOT recorded, DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #161
They have both the secret server and original transcript in Russian control. ancianita Jan 2020 #115
They are accusing Dems of election interference... Satch59 Jan 2020 #49
So it's all about "TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT TRANSCRIPT", which is a COMPLETE lie, bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #50
"Burden sharing" underpants Jan 2020 #64
If anyone is using that phrase as part of a drinking game, I hope the ambulance is bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #70
If the Trumpsters are hearing "bourbon sharing" underpants Jan 2020 #106
pupura cut himself off with the start of playing the first clip of Schiff. Mersky Jan 2020 #53
"might as well tear up the ballots" IggleDuer Jan 2020 #54
'A Basement Bunker' another lyin' MF spanone Jan 2020 #57
The transcript was not released either malaise Jan 2020 #59
Schiff prebutted these two points yesterday. And here they are ANYWAY. ancianita Jan 2020 #86
Facts are stubborn things malaise Jan 2020 #91
I hear you. They've got alt-science and alt-reality and are ready to go all in on the 17th Century. ancianita Jan 2020 #96
So is ignorance - they own that malaise Jan 2020 #101
They disagree.They own "alt-intelligence."Our labels for them roll off authoritarian followers' back ancianita Jan 2020 #107
What is their preoccupation with basements? Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #119
This is a TERRIBLE legal argument but how many people will Mike 03 Jan 2020 #58
This is a glossy (they think) presentation heard on Fox News underpants Jan 2020 #73
Saturday is the least television-watching day of the week. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #76
It'll take 1,000s of lawyers' joint deposition to disprove this to millions of this "ALT" mentality ancianita Jan 2020 #113
It only took snowybirdie Jan 2020 #60
+1, they aren't even trying ... f ck it ... they might as well read all of Trumps tweets that would uponit7771 Jan 2020 #65
They're getting paid by the hour C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #72
ah ... got it uponit7771 Jan 2020 #92
Yeah. A check from Trump. underpants Jan 2020 #136
So this is a bunch of Trump talking points that they add details to?! Might as well showed Gumball ! uponit7771 Jan 2020 #61
So he's repeating what Cipollone said 20 minutes ago? underpants Jan 2020 #68
They only taking 2 - 3 hours, what is Monday going to look like ?! uponit7771 Jan 2020 #94
Whoa. Is some lying crap: tRump didn't do an unprecedented thing declassifying the call Mersky Jan 2020 #71
Nancy let him think releasing it would end the whole thing. underpants Jan 2020 #80
Lol. I'd forgotten that Mersky Jan 2020 #99
The press has killed that part of the timeline too underpants Jan 2020 #111
True. And, lol. Mersky Jan 2020 #169
OBAMA. Only took 33 minutes. underpants Jan 2020 #74
We should have had a betting pool on MontanaMama Jan 2020 #85
Got to keep the Fox News crowd happy underpants Jan 2020 #90
So they are going to insist that the transcript deals with corruption even though corruption was Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #75
Fitting that their graphics are in yellow. 5X Jan 2020 #77
He's reading Adam Schiff's closing summation! robbob Jan 2020 #83
What a bunch of BS - trying to claim that the conversation of 7/25 w/ Zelensky about Pachamama Jan 2020 #87
The Javelins are still in storage underpants Jan 2020 #97
They are still ignoring the "Do us a favor though..." BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #104
Call your senators and tell them you know how false/insulting the republican defense is this morning Mersky Jan 2020 #89
what do the body language readers say about all that tongue thrusting? Kali Jan 2020 #98
Used crushed ritalin like sugar in his morning coffee? Mersky Jan 2020 #109
bet the boss is tripping too Kali Jan 2020 #125
Just had to check on that Mersky Jan 2020 #148
BWAHAHAHA!!! Kali Jan 2020 #165
Oh hey, that's rough. Mersky Jan 2020 #172
I'll bet that all 53 assholes are there . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #105
Now 53 traitorous self serving assholes are staying in their seats listening and taking notes Pachamama Jan 2020 #110
I'm surprised, they already have their talking points. dem4decades Jan 2020 #127
So do the Democrats, particularly those running for the presidency. ancianita Jan 2020 #163
What does that mean? The Democrats are based on fact, not so much with the Republicans. dem4decades Jan 2020 #166
Oops. Misunderstood your post. Sorry. Now I get it. ancianita Jan 2020 #167
At 5 minutes in my blood was already at the boiling point but I will listen to all of their in2herbs Jan 2020 #108
Okay. Hold it. They're using the "hearsay/no facts" testimonies from Schiff's hearings??? underpants Jan 2020 #116
Of course. They're the originators of those lines. ancianita Jan 2020 #121
Is infuriating: Zeroing-in on Sondland as hearsay Mersky Jan 2020 #122
Power & deals for them, hearsay for Americans. "What you are seeing and reading is not what's happen ancianita Jan 2020 #138
Suckylow up. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #120
A little dab will do ya underpants Jan 2020 #131
Cippolone is very low energy. Bigly. And now... JohnQFunk Jan 2020 #123
Bottom line Mossfern Jan 2020 #124
Trump had a blanket order IN WRITING underpants Jan 2020 #128
Documents that Democrats have in hand? ancianita Jan 2020 #140
And but for the pResident's obstruction and an attorney general as cleaner Mersky Jan 2020 #130
Now trying out the election interference by Ukraine theory. Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #132
He called the FBI liars and that they hid information a few minutes ago underpants Jan 2020 #135
According to inspector generals, not so. ancianita Jan 2020 #146
so unoriginal, no creativity. Kali Jan 2020 #133
Suckitup got lost in his own argument there underpants Jan 2020 #134
Who was he talking about? I heard Laura Crap, then I heard Laura Cooper a little further Mersky Jan 2020 #137
I had to figure out Borysenko too. nolabear Jan 2020 #144
listening to suckitup dweller Jan 2020 #139
+1, they might as well just read Trump tweets ... they make more sense and that says something uponit7771 Jan 2020 #142
I'm having difficulty Mossfern Jan 2020 #141
Is the 'throw it at the wall and see what sticks' defense Mersky Jan 2020 #153
Okay I just got here (West Coast). WTF is Sekulow on about? nolabear Jan 2020 #143
It seems to have been like this Mossfern Jan 2020 #147
El Salvador? Lebanon? OIC. It was a BUSINESS deal! nolabear Jan 2020 #149
Oh we just got a Biden reference underpants Jan 2020 #150
Bwah! Mersky Jan 2020 #175
TBH, the WH lawyers are doing enough to give DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #151
Sekulow is all over the place. madaboutharry Jan 2020 #152
"Only one President....Since 2014...has taken effective steps" underpants Jan 2020 #154
President Obama was president in 2014. madaboutharry Jan 2020 #159
He's done his completely offtopic nonsenical argument - now to Pat Philbin BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #157
When do they bring on Whackadoodle Jordan C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #158
Hey hey hey underpants Jan 2020 #164
****** LIVE THREAD 2 is UP ******* Mersky Jan 2020 #162
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